Stop Complaining Please! Is Anybody Else Sick of It?!

[danoyse]

Ok Danoyse first of all i don't want an X4 just so you know.

And second of all i really don't want to hear a what is wrong and what isn't lecture from you.

Who are you kidding they arn't going to go out of buisness, again not sayin that we should continue doing it.

Seriously stop acting so goody good like you have never done anything bad or slightly illegal. I find it hard to believe you can be so perfect.

I just don't like being given lectures by someone i don't know who have probably done worst stuff.

Im not going to argue with you since i agree with you it's WRONG it shouldn't be done.

But you know what i hated the movie and so did some of the ppl i know so a friend got it and passed it on. And a bunch of other ppl didn't go to the theatre because of it. It was how we justified what we considered a bad movie of something we love.

Once more i know it was wrong but in the long run i didn't kill anyone and i doubted FOX suffered from it. (remembers 60% drop in week 2) hmm or maybe our plan worked *evil laugher*

OK....RELAX.

No one is trying to lecture you....but trying to explain why downloading is illegal, and why it is wrong for someone to think that just because they do it once it doesn't hurt anything.

I don't think anyone here is totally innocent here on owning bootlegs. Of course I've had them too. But I've never had them as a substitute for seeing a movie in the theater or buying a DVD. Nell has said the same thing--it's the people with bootlegs who don't buy a ticket, CD or DVD is hurting the industry.

No one is blaming you for single-handedly taking down a studio. That's not what anyone is trying to do here.

But the attitude that they're somehow 'sticking it' to Fox by downloading the movie instead of buying it isn't really sticking it to anyone. At least not the people they think they're sticking it to.

I work for a media company...if someone watches our network because they have illegal cable, then they're stealing from me and everyone I work with. I don't care if maybe their favorite show was cancelled, or whatever someone might be angry about...they don't have the right to take what we work on any more than I have the right to go into their driveway and steal their car.

I'm not the bootleg police...I can't stop anyone from downloading anything. I'm certainly not an innocent here. But I can debate the reasons why people want to do it.

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

Exactly. I work in the entertainment retail industry, and I'm studying to work in the film industry one day, so this kind of thing is personal to me. We're not saying you and you alone are causing this, but we ARE (or at least I am) calling out your callous attitude toward it.

 

[gambitfire]

i am relaxed and i don't need to be explained that d/l is illegal i know that.

But the mood around here did come off as hey your destroying the industry wheather you wanted it too or not.

Im going into this industry soon so i too would suffer from pirating.

 

[Hulkster]

Once more i know it was wrong but in the long run i didn't kill anyone and i doubted FOX suffered from it. (remembers 60% drop in week 2) hmm or maybe our plan worked *evil laugher*

Lol, I remember that news too. Even my friends didn't watch X3 for the same reason, I think there are millions of people who didn't like the movie either and instead they d/l the video.

I know that downloading is illegal, I like Superman & Batman but I didn't download them or buy pirated CD's, but X3 is an exception.

 

[danoyse]

I suppose then that thousands of people lost their jobs because of these evil consumers who refused to support their products and refused to play along "legally"

DIVX was exclusive only to Circuit City stores. You could watch it for free for 48 hours after buying the DVD (which cost less than $5), then you were charged for each additional viewing. None of the movies were available in widescreen and had almost no special features.

It wasn't shut down due to piracy issues, it was shut down because the program failed with consumers. Why buy a system where you'll be charged every time you watch a DVD, when you can buy a regular DVD player, but a DVD (available in widescreen, with the special features) outright, and watch it whenever you want?

DIVX lasted less than a year, people who bought the players were given $100 refunds for systems bought before the format was discontinued, and were still able to watch the movies they'd bought until the system was finally phased out and shut down two years later.

If anyone lost their jobs, it was because it was a terrible system that very few people actually bought and the business went bust because of it.

But fortunately there are enough people fighning back to prevent a world run by these lawyers and their "legalities". As I said before, if you wanted to fully play by their laws, you wouldn't be allowed to have a tape recorder, VCR, digital audio tape recorder, CD or DVD burners. If fact if they had it their way, you wouldn't be allowed to record broadcast tv or radio, or have access to any type of recording device that could potentially record their music or their movies. And that is wrong. Case closed.

Yeah, they're a pain. Blockbuster has done everything in it's power (and failed) to get studios to stop selling DVDs at a sell-through price, which has hurt their rental profits, and they've tried to compete with companies like Netflix.

And if you think that's bad, look at the things advertisers are trying to do make sure people still see their ads in the age of Tivo. I can't stand it when ads for other shows show up in the corner of the screen...but they're there now because people fast-forward the commercials, so they have to put them somewhere.

You also have to remember that these 'legalities' also work to protect these businesses. If one person buys a CD and lets all of their friends copy it, well...that's only one CD sold. So they have the legal right to copy-protect the CD so they can sell more CDs, so they can stay in business. (although most people find a way to get past the copy-protection)

CDs, DVDs, video games...these are all products that a company sells, and they have the legal right to protect their product. Yeah, they'll go through sleazy lengths to keep you from copying and from technology that would make obtaining them easier, but when you're on that side of the business, you want those legalities there to keep people from taking your stuff.

 

[danoyse]

i am relaxed and i don't need to be explained that d/l is illegal i know that.

But the mood around here did come off as hey your destroying the industry wheather you wanted it too or not.

Im going into this industry soon so i too would suffer from pirating.

No one's telling anyone they're destroying anything...quit getting so offended.

You come into this industry and work on something...then find out it made less money than it should have because a bunch people downloaded it instead of buying it, I'm guessing you probably won't be too happy about it. ;p

 

[chaseter]

I know what you're trying to say, but it won't change my mind. And I have no plan on buying the DVD anyway.

I'm not trying to change your mind. I am showing you that what you are doing is wrong. If you want to watch the movie, go to a theatre or buy the dvd. Piracy is illegal and wrong.

 

[gambitfire]

i said it was the mood not that someone was saying it .

i wouldn't be too happy if i didn't do well cuz of pirating either but i might also take into consideration that maybe i didn't do so well because my material wasn't that good.

 

[chaseter]

I remember back a few years when the Hulk movie got on the internet and that guy was arrested and fined a crap load of money. If everyone had the same attitutude...hey I hate Fox so lets pirate the movie and not pay for anything to bring them down...then you are turning a mole hill into a mountain and ruining other things for everybody else.

 

[chaseter]

i said it was the mood not that someone was saying it .

i wouldn't be too happy if i didn't do well cuz of pirating either but i might also take into consideration that maybe i didn't do so well because my material wasn't that good.

That is your peronal opinion and not the opinion of all the public. Sure if the movie tanked and most of America hated it...then Fox would take a good look at what they did...but it didn't. It made a big profit. But for you to be mad and ruin the experience for others is wrong and people with that attitude need to quit being d!cks. It is like a person at a concert. They paid for their ticket and the show starts. They don't like what they see and they start boo'ing, ruining the show for everyone else that likes it.

 

[danoyse]

i wouldn't be too happy if i didn't do well cuz of pirating either but i might also take into consideration that maybe i didn't do so well because my material wasn't that good.

More like people just wanted what you worked on for free.

If they didn't like it, why would they steal it?

 

[Hulkster]

I'm not trying to change your mind. I am showing you that what you are doing is wrong. If you want to watch the movie, go to a theatre or buy the dvd. Piracy is illegal and wrong.

Yes I know it's wrong and I haven't done much movie piracy since X3. Fox and the writers gives us hope in their interviews that Cyke & the X-men fans will be happy but they turned us down. But what I don't like is someone lecturing me of what is right/wrong because I know they have done the same thing as I did. Look at all the X3 pics that's been posted here, it's a bootleg version of X3.

 

[danoyse]

I remember back a few years when the Hulk movie got on the internet and that guy was arrested and fined a crap load of money. If everyone had the same attitutude...hey I hate Fox so lets pirate the movie and not pay for anything to bring them down...then you are turning a mole hill into a mountain and ruining other things for everybody else.

I went to a movie screening a few years back, and honestly, security isn't as tight at airports as it is at these things. They searched bags for cameras and camera phones (and confiscated any that were found), and even had people empty out their coat pockets to search them for recording equipment.

And I worked for that company. They didn't even trust their own employees.

But I also remember reading about a Fox employee getting busted for downloading and distributing pirated movies. One of the movies they were caught with was X2. Wow, why don't studios trust their own employees??

 

[danoyse]

Yes I know it's wrong and I haven't done much movie piracy since X3. Fox and the writers gives us hope in their interviews that Cyke & the X-men fans will be happy but they turned us down. But what I don't like is someone lecturing me of what is right/wrong because I know they have done the same thing as I did. Look at all the X3 pics that's been posted here, it's a bootleg version of X3.

Doesn't that go back to that old saying...if all of your friends jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, does that mean you have to jump as well?

 

[chaseter]

Yes I know it's wrong and I haven't done much movie piracy since X3. Fox and the writers gives us hope in their interviews that Cyke & the X-men fans will be happy but they turned us down. But what I don't like is someone lecturing me of what is right/wrong because I know they have done the same thing as I did. Look at all the X3 pics that's been posted here, it's a bootleg version of X3.

I have never and will never download a movie or make a bootlegged dvd. I love movies and it is a big hobby of mine. So for me to tell you that what you did is wrong...I believe I am justified in doing so. But the real kicker is that some posters here pirated the movie and then came on here to complain. That is the most hypocritical thing I have seen on here. To critique something so harsh that you had nothing to do with...not even paying admission...is just stupid. Had they actually lost something(ticket price), then they would be justified in their anger and rightfully able to post their displeasures over and over again.

 

[chaseter]

Doesn't that go back to that old saying...if all of your friends jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, does that mean you have to jump as well?

My mother told me the same thing..."If everyone else is jumping off a bridge, would you?" I said "Yea because I wouldn't want to be the only person left alive on Earth." I got a spanking and grounded.

 

[Hulkster]

I have never and will never download a movie or make a bootlegged dvd. I love movies and it is a big hobby of mine. So for me to tell you that what you did is wrong...I believe I am justified in doing so. But the real kicker is that some posters here pirated the movie and then came on here to complain. That is the most hypocritical thing I have seen on here. To critique something so harsh that you had nothing to do with...not even paying admission...is just stupid. Had they actually lost something(ticket price), then they would be justified in their anger and rightfully able to post their displeasures over and over again.

To be honest I don't believe you, atleast danoyse has the guts to admit that she has downloaded a movie before.

Doesn't that go back to that old saying...if all of your friends jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, does that mean you have to jump as well?

Nope I wouldn't jump off, I will push my enemies that didn't jump so I will be the only survivor.

 

[chaseter]

To be honest I don't believe you, atleast danoyse has the guts to admit that she has downloaded a movie before.

I really don't care if you don't believe me. I would never take that risk or do that period. I go to the movies at least 3-4 times a month...more in the summer. It disgusted me to see street vendors in NYC last year selling pirated copies of movies on the streets.

 

[Hulkster]

Ok I know you're right, downloading is wrong. But if you really want it to stop why not tell the street vendors also?

 

[chaseter]

Ok I know you're right, downloading is wrong. But if you really want it to stop why not tell the street vendors also?

I did by not buying anything. Plus I am pretty sure they didn't speak English. I would have told a cop where they were at but they only times I saw them they were on horses or in cars.

 

[Hulkster]

If you really want to help stop piracy? then why not do simple things like, change your sig and avatar into, I hate Piracy or Say no to Piracy. And convince people to do the same.

 

[chaseter]

If you really want to help stop piracy? then why not do simple things like, change your sig and avatar into, I hate Piracy or Say no to Piracy. And convince people to do the same.

Because it seems to not be working in here anyways. If you knew it was illegal...why did you still do it?

 

[Hulkster]

Because it seems to not be working in here anyways. If you knew it was illegal...why did you still do it?

Now you see why I don't believe you, because you can't even do the most simplest thing.

 

[gambitfire]

That is your peronal opinion and not the opinion of all the public.

I know that

Sure if the movie tanked and most of America hated it...then Fox would take a good look at what they did...but it didn't. It made a big profit.

You know it could of done alot better. . IMO and those of many others.
That 2nd week drop was really unexpected by everyone.

But for you to be mad and ruin the experience for others is wrong and people with that attitude need to quit being d!cks. It is like a person at a concert. They paid for their ticket and the show starts. They don't like what they see and they start boo'ing, ruining the show for everyone else that likes it.

WHO THE HELL DID I RUIN THE EXPERIENCE FOR!?
Was i booing in the theatre? Your analogy sucks.
I know one person who liked the movie and no matter what i say i won't ruin that for her.

Even if i did tell her she's just another hugh jackman fan girl she called me a nitpicking fanboy so w/e we called it even lol.

 

[gambitfire]

More like people just wanted what you worked on for free.

If they didn't like it, why would they steal it?

Actually i saw SR, Cars, and Over the Hedge bootleg, i loved them so i went to the theatres with friends to go watch them. Not the best approach at it but im poor.