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Student Draws Controversy with American Flags

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Student Flag Project Draws Controversy in Maine

Thursday, April 17, 2008
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April 15: Susan Crane poses in front of her art project at the University of Maine Farmington.





A Maine college student has caused a firestorm after plastering the floor of a campus building with American flags to see if anyone would trample Old Glory.
Susan Crane, a student at the University of Maine, Farmington, placed hundreds of flags on the floor of the school's student center Tuesday for an art class assignment. She set down the flags in a maze-like pattern to document whether students and staff would step on them.
But instead of fostering dialogue, the experiment drew demonstrators, among them Vietnam War veteran Charles Bennett.
"As far as I was concerned, that was desecration of the American flag," Bennett told FOXNews.com. He went down to the student center to protest the display after a friend told him what was going on, he said.
Bennett was among a vocal group that protested the treatment of the Stars and Stripes.
Click here to see video taken during the project.

Crane did not return a request for an interview, but she told the Franklin County Daily Bulldog that she chose to use the flag so passers-by could reflect on their patriotism.

"It sparked conversation and thought about how we feel about our flag, which I think is very important," Crane told the paper. "It was a very hard thing for me to do, to put the flag on the floor."
She said she filmed students from the knees down to see if they would walk on the flags. More than 95 percent did not.
"The strong emotions caught me by surprise. The veterans said, 'A lot of people died for that flag,'" Crane told the paper. "I had a hard time with it. Most others asked, 'What's this about?'"
The university gave Crane permission to arrange the project, which she designed to fulfill a requirement for her class, the Cultural Relationship of Art and the Personal Politic.
Bennett said he was irritated that the school permitted the project at all. He planned a protest for Thursday afternoon.
"It's a patriotic feeling that I have," he said. "That's what I fought for — for our freedoms — so they could do things, but don't do it with the American flag."
The school expected the project would cause a stir.
"Certainly passions are always swirling around the flag," said Celeste Branham, vice president of student and community services at the university. "Particularly in a time when there's a lot of controversy about our involvement in Iraq, we expected that the passions would be heightened, and we were not at all surprised by the reaction."
Branham said it's the role of a university to spark debate as part of the learning process.
The project was supposed to stay up for 24 hours, but the flags were removed 10 hours into the experiment after a fire marshal asked Crane to move them to the side of the hallway, the Daily Bulldog said.
Branham said the school wouldn't hesitate to allow the project to go on again.
"We were supporting and would continue to support any student's First Amendment right to free expression under the law," she said.
 
That Vietnam vet had a point-- she was essentially desecrating the flag...
 
It's a flag. Get over it, or rather, walk over it.
 
The project was interesting, and "desecrating the flag" isn't an arrestable offense
 
Personal Question: Would you have walked on the flag on September 12th, 2001?

Personal Answer: Yes. As it's just a flag, a colored piece of cloth, nothing more, nothing less. And I don't consider September 11th to be an American tragedy, it's a human tragedy.
 
That Vietnam vet had a point-- she was essentially desecrating the flag...

what about those that wear a American style style bikini? or t-shirt or shorts?
 
Personal Answer: Yes. As it's just a flag, a colored piece of cloth, nothing more, nothing less. And I don't consider September 11th to be an American tragedy, it's a human tragedy.

Its a symbol of the country. The Statue of Liberty is nothing more than a statue - if they talked about taking it down, would you care?

I don't mind the project, I think the project was interesting, but I have say I would be...displeased to see students and staff walking on flags - on the floor or not.
 
I don't even think she was desecrating the flag. If she had put it down and advised people to step on it, yes...that's offensive. But I think it's an interesting project to see what the reactions were, and even more interesting that so many people did avoid stepping on it.
 
Its a symbol of the country. The Statue of Liberty is nothing more than a statue - if they talked about taking it down, would you care?

No, I wouldn't care. I'd be confused, but then again, it's pretty much useless now that it's been closed to the public.
 
Personal Answer: Yes. As it's just a flag, a colored piece of cloth, nothing more, nothing less. And I don't consider September 11th to be an American tragedy, it's a human tragedy.

It's an American tragedy nonetheless. Those who say they would step on the flag are those who take this country for granted, think everything they're blessed with is free....and would sell us all out when the going gets tough.
 
I wouldn't intentionally step on the flag. Now, if I didn't know it was there and I did step on it, I wouldn't feel bad.

I simply feel one's actions and intentions are more important than a flag sewn in China
 
It's an American tragedy nonetheless. Those who say they would step on the flag are those who take this country for granted, think everything they're blessed with is free....and would sell us all out when the going gets tough.

Define this.
 
Personal Answer: Yes. As it's just a flag, a colored piece of cloth, nothing more, nothing less. And I don't consider September 11th to be an American tragedy, it's a human tragedy.
:applaud

For the record, I would make a conscious effort not to step on the flags, but I don't get the obsession with the American flag. Mind you, I'm part of the JROTC program at my school. I understand that it is a symbol, but that's the extent of it. Merely placing flags on the floor is hardly the big offense that people make it out to be. If she was burning the flags or urinating on them or something similar? I could see the uproar.
 
:applaud

For the record, I would make a conscious effort not to step on the flags, but I don't get the obsession with the American flag. Mind you, I'm part of the JROTC program at my school. I understand that it is a symbol, but that's the extent of it. Merely placing flags on the floor is hardly the big offense that people make it out to be. If she was burning the flags or urinating on them or something similar? I could see the uproar.

Putting it on the floor is okay. My problem is with those that stepped on it.
 
what about those that wear a American style style bikini? or t-shirt or shorts?

But that's manufactured clothing... not an official flag of the United States... and there are rules on how the flag should be handled. This experiment, while thought provoking, not only desecrated the flag by placing it on the ground, but also put in the position to be further desecrated. I'm not saying the project was horrible and the girl deserved to have the plug pulled on it, but still... coming from a military family, I know how the flag should be presented, and how it shouldn't...
 
Putting it on the floor is okay. My problem is with those that stepped on it.
Intentionally stepping on the flag is a dick move, but some people do it just because it's a dick move. Like Addendum said, if I stepped on one by accident, I wouldn't think twice about it.
 
The flag isn't a person in and of itself. It's a symbol of America. It may be disrespectful, but it's not like anyone is being personally harmed. I think it's an interesting social experiment. Kudos to the student. :up:
 
I did a project in college about flag burning in which I burned a mini-flag in order to show my protest of any Constitutional Ammendment banning it. The flag is an American symbol, but at the same time, it is my property, and since it is my property (assuming it is my flag of course), I can do whatever I want with it.

More than anything, I love having the freedom to use the flag to my desire, but I don't condone it (I was making a point in my project, and using it to make a point I respect). We make flag desecration illegal, what is the next freedom the gov't will take from us? Where does it end?
 
I would go out of my way to miss the flag and salute everytime i saw it.
 

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