Suicide: Is it right or wrong?

[Warhammer]

Lyrics to the song 'Suicide is Painless'

Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...
[REFRAIN]:
that suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
I try to find a way to make
all our little joys relate
without that ever-present hate
but now I know that it's too late, and...
[REFRAIN]
The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.
[REFRAIN]
The only way to win is cheat
And lay it down before I'm beat
and to another give my seat
for that's the only painless feat.
[REFRAIN]
The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...
[REFRAIN]
A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
is it to be or not to be
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'
[REFRAIN]
'Cause suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
...and you can do the same thing if you please.

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It's music like this that get people who are weak minded/don't care/think they had enough drama from High School to kill themselves.

 

[SoulManX]

It's music like this that get people who are weak minded/don't care/think they had enough drama from High School to kill themselves.

My friend that is from MASH..great movie by the way.

 

[Golgo-13]

I've actually tried suicide. When i was 14, i took an overdoes of sleeping pills with Vodka. Woke up the next morning with an enormous headache. Do i think suicide is wrong? Yes. I was, as others have said, was looking for an easy way out. I was an outsider in school where i was teased alot, and when i got home i was picked on by my dad. I had very little friends. The constant pressure from home and school left me with the feeling of 'no way out' but now that i'm in my 30's i'm gald my master plan failed....

 

[Warhammer]

My friend that is from MASH..great movie by the way.

Oh.
Sorry buddy.

I thought you were seriously posting some emo song about suicide.

 

[SoulManX]

Oh.
Sorry buddy.

I thought you were seriously posting some emo song about suicide.

It's cool

 

[SoulManX]

I've actually tried suicide. When i was 14, i took an overdoes of sleeping pills with Vodka. Woke up the next morning with an enormous headache. Do i think suicide is wrong? Yes. I was, as others have said, was looking for an easy way out. I was an outsider in school where i was teased alot, and when i got home i was picked on by my dad. I had very little friends. The constant pressure from home and school left me with the feeling of 'no way out' but now that i'm in my 30's i'm gald my master plan failed....

Congrads buddy...

 

[Batty for Bats!]

I'm for suicide.

 

[Hades]

I've actually tried suicide. When i was 14, i took an overdoes of sleeping pills with Vodka. Woke up the next morning with an enormous headache. Do i think suicide is wrong? Yes. I was, as others have said, was looking for an easy way out. I was an outsider in school where i was teased alot, and when i got home i was picked on by my dad. I had very little friends. The constant pressure from home and school left me with the feeling of 'no way out' but now that i'm in my 30's i'm gald my master plan failed....

I went through..a very similair situation..sleeping pills and all..
I felt like I didn't have anything to offer anyone..I got so bad I could barely even function anymore, I felt complete and utterhopelessness..

But in the last few month, I've come to realize...life is so...bittersweet.
Before I bever put much stock in the word, but now it just seems to fit so well with everything. Sometimes...life seems so cruel and unfair..with all the pain and suffering in the world, yet sometimes it can seem like the most beautifull and intricate thing...life is such a strange thing, but it's all we got. And for all we know, it's the only one we have...so you might as well see it to the end, right? for better or worse...

 

[redmarvel]

9 times out of 10 suicide is the WRONG thing to do... usually where there is life there is hope...

However, if you're over 75, have an incurable and painful disease that is going to kill you anyway, and if you know that the cure will not be found in the time you have left... then I don't think that you should be forced to live the last of your days in pain and degradation.

On the other hand, a boy that was in a coma for the past 2 years and on a ventilator just started breathing on his own one day. He has now woken up from his coma. He has a long road to recovery ahead of him (they thought he would be a sports star before the coma, now they'll be happy if he just learns to walk again). The scariest part is, they don't know what caused the coma in the first place.

 

[Sloth7d]

I feel that if someone wants to kill thereself let them do it. It's none of anyone elses business what someone does to themselves. As long as they don't endanger others in the process, like jumping into in coming traffic.

 

[Bad Superman]

It's wrong.

 

[Killgore]

My friend that is from MASH..great movie by the way.

If my memory serves me correctly, Robert Altman's son wrote those lyrics. He was emo before there was a word for it.

 

[raybia]

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Yeah actually you do.

First off you don't start off with a theory. Piss poor reasoning. Means you've already made up your mind.


Theory - An unproven conjecture. Conjecture-A statement or idea which has not been proven, but is thought to be true; a guess.

Science is mostly based upon theory. Before science arrives at fact, science has the base or foundation of theories. We have a scientific world. We have a world that tells us all about the nature of matter, how matter is com*posed.

Theory means that they can't prove it to the rational mind and physical eye, except upon reference of observing certain behaviors of matter or believing that since these results come when we use these theories, these results hold up.

Before critizing my reasoning maybe you should examine and critique your own.




Okay let me start a list...

*cough*prove it*cough*

We cannot even stop our own deaths or control our own fates. Everything we build will one day be gone and no legacy left behind. Such is out fate, no matter what we do.

Everything that has a beginning will have an end, but that shouldn't be our concern. I have no idea how much longer humanity will be on this planet but I pretty certain that it will long out live me. So the legacy that I'm concerned with is the one I leave for my children and my future generations. What I do in my lifetime will forever have an impact on them just as today's world has benefited from the accomplishments of people from thousands of years also. Humanity is progressing.

So what if we cannot stop our own deaths? You are too concerned about phyiscal death. Phyiscal death is natural, but what is worse is mental death, moral death, spiritual death. Those are the things that we have the power to prevent and control. We have control of our actions and character as a person.


We record all this information, almost as diversion, however our mark on this universe is as small and unimportant as a passing cloud of dust.

That is your personal opinion.

We assign our own value to life, however it's a construct. Perhaps to keep us from going insane and killing ourselves. It simply protects our base instinct, which is to procreate.

Our creator assigns value to life and instructs humans to do the same. The value that I get out of it is the sheer pleasure of being alive which includes to think, to observe and to interact in the world in which I was born into and to be a contributing factor in making the world a place conductive place to progress towards perfection.

But is that actual value or simply perceived value. Because to prove suicide is wrong you'd have to show actual value for that person to live, not precieved. If you have to decieve a person into living then his life is truly not worth anything at all.


We are conditioned to think of the world as the world of law and reality. Scripture says the whole world is deception. Deception - you are not really seeing reality, when you are looking at the world.

There was a time when man was looking at the earth and believing that earth was flat like a table. He believed that if you went so far, you would fall off the earth.

But observation over a long period of time and expe*rience and increase in knowl*edge brought mankind to accept the common knowl*edge that the earth is round.

If a family or a parent cannot convince their love one that live in worth living, and if professional help doesn't help then I guess thats a lost cause and life goes on. You cannot force anyone to live. We all have to come into the ability to manage our lives or else our lives will fall into ruin with suicide appearing to be best way out.

Suicide is wrong in my belief system and I acknowledge some people don't feel its wrong in theirs, hence is why some of those eventually commit it. But those who do commit, won't be judged my me or those who hold my view so why should they be bothered? After all, their dead, so more worries, right?


No actually I am fairly happy, because I understand my fate and I don't try to run from it. I don't need religion or tacked on meaning to my life.

Good for you. You are one of the exceptions. I do need religion to give me direction on how to best live life to obtain the most out of life and out of myself, especially considering that I'm not self-sufficient.




Besides it not my outlook on life, nor did I claim it was, however I was pointing out that your outlook is severely flawed.

Merely your opinion. My so-called flawed outlook has brought me much success to this point in my life. It would be foolish on my part to abandon it now due to someone else lack of understanding.

Every life is sacred only to you. However when faced with the burden of proof on that claim, you cannot show me anything. Except your standard empassioned speech about this and that.

No, I pretty sure I'm not the only one, but you misjudge me. I'm not trying to prove to you anything. I don't have too nor is that my concern.

To believe that life has no value, that's its not worth living is to be crippled for life spiritually and mentally. Every field of knowledge knows that in order to succeed, one has to have a positive self-image or a view the value of one's self as good and appreciative.

The reasons why so many people are failing in life that they have a crippling belief or idea that cripples them and prevents them from performing at the capacity or their ability.

We see extraordinary chil*dren come up in the worse conditions in some of the worse households, and they turn out to be just super. We don't have to have anybody to prove it to us; we see it in our own life.



Show me something concrete, show me something that humans do that will live on FOREVER and you'll successfully prove that anyone who committs suicide is a fool, until then what you say is meaningless.

Only meaningless to you, but you are not the spokesperson for 6 + billion people.

Something concrete, something real? With that sort of mentality, you will never evolve from your current state of thinking.

I hate to do this but, "What is real? If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

What is real in terms of what humans can do that will live forever is our deeds. Our actions have ramifications that last forever.

I cannot "show" that to you in the way you want, but I offer it to your rational mind.

Don't despair, time will prove it.

 

[November Rain]

it's neither right or wrong.

it's just a choice of the person.

there isn't a right or wrong way to die in my eyes. death is death.

 

[Dangerous]

I say right

 

[Spelunking Man]

I'm not suggesting that suicide is right. I just thought we lived in a society where we could make up our own minds, and decide what's best for us. If people want to escape their depression, then they should be allowed too.

I'm against suicide no matter what. A person should always find the bright side of life. Life is the greatest gift and should be cherished forever.

 

[Majik1387]

No one has the right to decide if suicide is right or wrong. Whether it's right or wrong is for the person commiting suicide is up to that person.

 

[Sloth7d]

^Exactly!

 

[Cinemaman]

No, suicide isn't logical way in life. You can re-start your life with a new face (I mean "new face" with figurative meaning), but not kill yourself only because you live in the world, which doesn't understand you or because you can't find your place in society.

 

[TKing]

No, suicide isn't logical way in life. You can re-start your life with a new face (I mean "new face" with figurative meaning), but not kill yourself only because you live in the world, which doesn't understand you or because you can't find your place in society.

But unless you've ever been in that sort of situation, or been that depressed that you're actually thinking about killing yourself, you can't really say that people should just look on the bright side of things. Not everything is as black and white as that. They may be lots of factors involved.

 

[Majik1387]

No, suicide isn't logical way in life. You can re-start your life with a new face (I mean "new face" with figurative meaning), but not kill yourself only because you live in the world, which doesn't understand you or because you can't find your place in society.

I'm sorry but not everything in life is logical and the reason above isn't the only reason used for suicide.

 

[Sentinel X]

Every suicide is one more person I don't have to deal with.

Im sorry but thats like saying Macoroni and cheese has cheese...

 

[Gamma Burst]

It's wrong.I only realized that after I attempted suicide 3 years ago.

 

[NyteWing]

I dunno if it's ever RIGHT, but it's your life. If you feel like that's the best thing to do with it, who is anyone else to argue with you? Just think about it thoroughly, it's not like many people get second chances at it.

 

[Sloth7d]

It's wrong.I only realized that after I attempted suicide 3 years ago.

I know someone who attempted suicide before and still doesn't think its wrong. But they figured that you won't die until God is ready for you to die.