Supergirl Supergirl General Discussion Thread

[luis4u]

Considering we have 'Superman' in the title of BvS, I don't think they'd necessarily shy away from 'Supergirl'.

Consider how they been dropping titles gotham,the dark knight, man of steel, arrow,Amazon with exception of the flash surprise they didn’t when with red streak..

 

[DigificWriter]

A possible title....how about just:

KARA

There's no guarantee they're going to use the Kara Zor-El Supergirl, and, even if they do go with that iteration of the character, that word alone is a piss-poor title because it says absolutely nothing about what kind of series is attached to it.

 

[luis4u]

There's no guarantee they're going to use the Kara Zor-El Supergirl, and, even if they do go with that iteration of the character, that word alone is a piss-poor title because it says absolutely nothing about what kind of series is attached to it.

You know they will use kara zor el version the most popular version also she from the silver age.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

There's no guarantee they're going to use the Kara Zor-El Supergirl, and, even if they do go with that iteration of the character, that word alone is a piss-poor title because it says absolutely nothing about what kind of series is attached to it.

I get it...but they did just use Smallville in that series and the mainstream audience don't know what Smallville is or was.

It's all about the marketing and TV spots. Why wouldn't they use Kara Zor El?

Anyhow....even it the title was just "Kara"....people would know who she is as soon as they see TV spots, trailers and commercials of her doing "SUPER" stuff and her wearing her cute little outfit with that S on her chest.

 

[luis4u]

I get it...but they did just use Smallville in that series and the mainstream audience don't know what Smallville is or was.

It's all about the marketing and TV spots. Why wouldn't they use Kara Zor El?

Anyhow....even it the title was just "Kara"....people would know who she is as soon as they see TV spots, trailers and commercials of her doing "SUPER" stuff and her wearing her cute little outfit with that S on her chest.

Kara zor el is the only supergirl who appear In most mainstream. Same with barbara

 

[John Locke]

I hope CW didn't pass on it. It could really add the alien element to their universe.

 

[vantheman77]

This new Supergirl TV series could take place either in Smallville or MOS, but I hope for the latter. There may be hope for the CW.

 

[DigificWriter]

Kara Zor-El being the most 'well-known'/'popular'/'mainstream' Supergirl is no guarantee that she's the one that Berlanti and Adler will be choosing to focus on, and it's silly to just take it for granted that such is the case.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Kara Zor-El being the most 'well-known'/'popular'/'mainstream' Supergirl is no guarantee that she's the one that Berlanti and Adler will be choosing to focus on, and it's silly to just take it for granted that such is the case.

Who else will they use than?

 

[luis4u]

Who else will they use than?

Linda danvers, cir-el, matrix

None of then are popular and iconic as kara sadly..

 

[DigificWriter]

Who else will they use then?

Like luis4u said, there are 3 other Supergirls besides Kara that they could potentially choose to build this series around:
Matrix
Linda Danvers
Cir-El

None of then are popular and iconic as kara sadly..

Which means absolutely nothing.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Umm... Smallville is done for. And so far, this doesn't seem like it is going to be on CW.

 

[Sawyer]

Whether or not it goes to The CW is still up for debate. There's been a fair bit of misinformation up to this point, so it could very well end up there, but we just don't know yet.

But, yeah, it's not going to tie-in to Smallville. Arrow isn't starring Justin Hartley and this isn't going to star Laura Vandervoort. Let it go already. MOS would be interesting to see, but I doubt it.

 

[3dman27]

mos??

 

[Sawyer]

Man of Steel.

 

[3dman27]

oh yeah ,thanks

 

[smallville fan]

I made this post in the Expanding the CW-verse thread which is somewhat relevant to this thread. Here's a possible idea of possibly introducing Kara Kent into this universe without ever having to mention Superman exists in the world of Arrow/Flash.

How's this for a premise: A dimensional bleed (which would be expanded upon in Flash with the whole Crisis thing that's being foreshadowed) accidently throws Earth 2 Kara Kent into the world of Arrow and Flash. While she is trapped in our world, Kara goes to college using the alias Karen Starr and masquerades as the superhero Power Girl. Throughout the episodes she does typical tv superhero things like going up against low level super-powered antagonists every episode and of course, comes across significant people who are friends in her own world. Because the CW must have a love triangle, the overarching one like Oliver/Laurel/Tommy or Barry/Iris/Eddie, it would be Karen/Earth 1 counterpart of her Boyfriend back home/Earth 1 counterpart of her best friend.

The folks in charge like Geoff Johns and Andrew Kriesberg etc can send me the cheque for this idea anytime they like.

 

[smallville fan]

But, yeah, it's not going to tie-in to Smallville. Arrow isn't starring Justin Hartley and this isn't going to star Laura Vandervoort. Let it go already.

I agree. Everyone who misses Smallville here should just read Season 11. It's great!

Also I think the people running this forum should make a sub-forum for DC/Marvel/Other Comics properties on television like how there's a sub-forum for DC/Marvel Comics films. There's too many random superhero/comic show threads all over the place. Better to put them all in one spot.

 

[Xantusia]

I'll believe this when I see it. Green Arrow, Flash, anything is possible though.

 

[DrCosmic]

There's no guarantee they're going to use the Kara Zor-El Supergirl, and, even if they do go with that iteration of the character, that word alone is a piss-poor title because it says absolutely nothing about what kind of series is attached to it.

House
Dexter
Seinfeld
Chuck
Castle
Nikita
Veronica Mars

If the show is primarily about Kara then calling it Kara says exactly what it's about. It may not be what you'd do (or I'd do), but it's not piss-poor by any means.

Kara Zor-El being the most 'well-known'/'popular'/'mainstream' Supergirl is no guarantee that she's the one that Berlanti and Adler will be choosing to focus on, and it's silly to just take it for granted that such is the case.

Many people take for granted that Hal will be the Green Lantern or Barry will be the Flash. No one would put equal odds on a Bart Allen Flash film, a Simon Baz GL film. Because popularity does matter when it comes to marketing, because that's the point of marketing, and thus, it matters when it comes to character selection. Being the most popular version and the current version in the comics is practically a shoe in, which we can see evidenced in every adaptation ever.

Now they will absolutely use elements form the other Supergirls, that almost goes without saying.

@Dr. Cosmic: Can you point me to where Berlanti and/or Guggenheim said that they couldn't use Ted Kord? Because I've seen it referenced a couple of times but can't recall seeing it stated anywhere.

As far as doing a Supergirl series without connecting the character to Superman in any way goes, I have some ideas on that score that I'm planning on solidifying into a VTV fanficion pitch and therefore don't want to go into too much detail on, but if you're using the Matrix/Linda Danvers iteration of the character, I can see a number of different ways to explain how/why she's called Supergirl that aren't dependent on Superman existing in order to be explainable.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/07/26/sdcc-2014-arrow-panel-teases-oracle-whats-to-come-in-season-3

"We actually originally asked for Ted Kord," Kreisberg said of the character. "But DC has other plans for him, so they said, 'H about Ray Palmer?' And we said that would work even better."

Thanks Loki. There was also a link next to when I originally said it, Digi. I know you can do Supergirl without Superman, but to keep the emotional power of her being an offshoot of Superman is where it gets complicated, especially if you can't show (Say?) "Superman." Otherwise you have Kara deciding to use the House of El symbol to be a superhero, Kara being the first and only primier hero of Metropolis. We all know, even people who never read a comic, that that's not at all a faithful adaptation, that it's out of order.

I made this post in the Expanding the CW-verse thread which is somewhat relevant to this thread. Here's a possible idea of possibly introducing Kara Kent into this universe without ever having to mention Superman exists in the world of Arrow/Flash.

I really liked that idea when you proposed it in another thread. Using Kara to introduce the multiverse could be awesome, and open all the necessary doors for just about anything from LOSH to alternate Supergirls to Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew to... Smallville crossovers! It also makes for a great mystery in trying to figure out where she came form, what kind of Kryptonian she is. I'd be a bit hesistant to go too Power Girl with her, because then people are like, "Where's the Bewbs!?" But there's a lot to play with there.

 

[DigificWriter]

I threw together a rough idea for a Matrix/Linda Danvers Supergirl show that doesn't require any extensive knowledge or use of Krypton, Superman, etc. that I've decided to share in brief:
Linda Lee Danvers wakes up severely injured and with no memory of the previous 48 hours of her life. As she starts to recover, she begins to experience brief 'vision flashes' and slowly starts to discover that she's been turned into a superhero. The character would 'morph' into the classic image of blonde Supergirl because of a brief image in one of these 'flashes', and the Matrix character would exist in protoplasmic form as the 'source' of the character's powers, as well as in the form of an 'avatar' that you'd occasionally see in 'flashes' as well and would provide the inspiration for the blonde, blue-eyed 'public image' that Linda shows to the world as a superheroine.

I don't want to go into any more detail than that because I have my own explicit plans for this idea, but I did want to offer it up as an example as to how you could do a Linda Danvers/Matrix Supergirl series without needing to mention Krypton, Superman, the Kents, Lex, etc.

 

[Donut]

I threw together a rough idea for a Matrix/Linda Danvers Supergirl show that doesn't require any extensive knowledge or use of Krypton, Superman, etc. that I've decided to share in brief:
Linda Lee Danvers wakes up severely injured and with no memory of the previous 48 hours of her life. As she starts to recover, she begins to experience brief 'vision flashes' and slowly starts to discover that she's been turned into a superhero. The character would 'morph' into the classic image of blonde Supergirl because of a brief image in one of these 'flashes', and the Matrix character would exist in protoplasmic form as the 'source' of the character's powers, as well as in the form of an 'avatar' that you'd occasionally see in 'flashes' as well and would provide the inspiration for the blonde, blue-eyed 'public image' that Linda shows to the world as a superheroine.

I don't want to go into any more detail than that because I have my own explicit plans for this idea, but I did want to offer it up as an example as to how you could do a Linda Danvers/Matrix Supergirl series without needing to mention Krypton, Superman, the Kents, Lex, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SF-oQmqaj0

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea out of hand. Peter David's run with the character (Matrix/Linda Danvers) was, by all accounts, fairly successful, and the themes and ideas he explored represent an avenue of storytelling that really hasn't been present on mainstream TV since the end of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It would also allow the people working on the show the ability to work largely restraint-free.

 

[DrCosmic]

Random thought:

"Supergirls"

Have Kara AND Matrix Danvers together.

Considered thought:

I'd put everything together, and let the Matrix be from Krypton, part of a series of genetic experiments by Zor-El that involve things like Doomsday and Worldkillers and Argo City and Kandor and all sorts of shenanigans. This Matrix fuses with Linda Danvers, giving her amnesia, and flashes of all sorts of Kryptonian stuff, the realities of the science and the falseness of Zor-El's dream daughter. Supergirl, too perfect to be believed. Danvers herself is very Buffy-inspired, very teenager-y, texting-addled, utterly self conscious, fiercely independent and at the same time incapable of independence. Use Linda Danvers' supporting cast with Kara Zor-El's villains. Supergirl has to figure out who she is, who she wants to be.

Since we know they can use different versions of the characters from the films, perhaps Superman has lost his powers due to some Gold Kryptonite, or a trip to the Phantom Zone, or who knows what. So you just have a Clark Kent who's retired, who's just a Daily Planet reporter. Grab the Irons family and Jimmy Olsen for the supporting cast because I like them and the movies aren't using them.

 

[04nbod]

More interesting is how they would fill out the cast. I hope they keep it somewhat traditional. Maybe with Lena Thorul and Dick Malverne as her Willow and Xander type characters. I had the idea that it would be great if they started with her death in a crisis type scenario in the pilot and then leaped back in time to show how she got there. Brainiac 5 being the arc character behind the scenes trying to change history.