Superman Begins?

[Frontier]

I have nothing to base this off of other than gut instinct, but I'm beginning to get the distinct impressions we're going to be seeing "Superman Begins" -- a Superman variation on the film "Batman Begins" despite the early on talk we would not be re-hashing the well-hashed origin story.

I doubt the film will be a total re-telling of the origins; I doubt such very, very much. It's well-treaded ground. But I do imagine some non-linear flash-backs to Clark Kent the young man, as he first discovers his powers or some such.

I base this on two things: the forward Goyer recently wrote for the released graphic novel that shows such. Shows Clark Kent, late high school, discovering all of this. He's an alien with these immense powers. How isolating such would be, how frightening and stressful for him, it's something he doesn't initially want; a burden he must cope with at first before he realizes how much good he can do.

Combine that all with the casting of the Kents... and it just makes me think, while 80% of the story will be modern-time, Superman is there and established and has been for a while, I think 20% will be flash-back to teen Kent. Because they would cast at least 10-15 years older for the Kents otherwise; Costner is only 56, Diane Lane is 46.

When you think Ma and Pa Kent of Superman, you think of old timers in their 60s or beyond.

 

[The Batman]

honestly, ive accepted that this flick will probably be "superman begins", and will just follow current comic trends rather than break the mold like TDK or STM

really, this might just be the movie equivalent of bryne's MOS

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I have nothing to base this off of other than gut instinct, but I'm beginning to get the distinct impressions we're going to be seeing "Superman Begins" -- a Superman variation on the film "Batman Begins" despite the early on talk we would not be re-hashing the well-hashed origin story.

I doubt the film will be a total re-telling of the origins; I doubt such very, very much. It's well-treaded ground. But I do imagine some non-linear flash-backs to Clark Kent the young man, as he first discovers his powers or some such.

I base this on two things: the forward Goyer recently wrote for the released graphic novel that shows such. Shows Clark Kent, late high school, discovering all of this. He's an alien with these immense powers. How isolating such would be, how frightening and stressful for him, it's something he doesn't initially want; a burden he must cope with at first before he realizes how much good he can do.

Combine that all with the casting of the Kents... and it just makes me think, while 80% of the story will be modern-time, Superman is there and established and has been for a while, I think 20% will be flash-back to teen Kent. Because they would cast at least 10-15 years older for the Kents otherwise; Costner is only 56, Diane Lane is 46.

When you think Ma and Pa Kent of Superman, you think of old timers in their 60s or beyond.

Snyder is doing something I really like. He is saying it is as though there have never been any Superman films. I like that. Yes I know the origin like the back of my hand but I want to see it all again. Don't gloss over it. If you are going to Begin or Start again then do it properly. Like Snyder said...full reverence for the design and canon of the comics but owing nothing to films that came before.

We knew Batman's basic origin from B89, but Nolan went into it in much more detail and fleshed everything out. A lot of Snyder's movie probably takes place after he leaves the Kent farm and Before he gets to Metropolis. Sort of like the 12 years in the F.O.S in S:TM but this time Clark goes walkabout! Oh and like you said lots of flashbacks a la Batman Begins.

 

[El Payaso]

I have nothing to base this off of other than gut instinct, but I'm beginning to get the distinct impressions we're going to be seeing "Superman Begins" -- a Superman variation on the film "Batman Begins" despite the early on talk we would not be re-hashing the well-hashed origin story.

I doubt the film will be a total re-telling of the origins; I doubt such very, very much. It's well-treaded ground. But I do imagine some non-linear flash-backs to Clark Kent the young man, as he first discovers his powers or some such.

I base this on two things: the forward Goyer recently wrote for the released graphic novel that shows such. Shows Clark Kent, late high school, discovering all of this. He's an alien with these immense powers. How isolating such would be, how frightening and stressful for him, it's something he doesn't initially want; a burden he must cope with at first before he realizes how much good he can do.

Combine that all with the casting of the Kents... and it just makes me think, while 80% of the story will be modern-time, Superman is there and established and has been for a while, I think 20% will be flash-back to teen Kent. Because they would cast at least 10-15 years older for the Kents otherwise; Costner is only 56, Diane Lane is 46.

When you think Ma and Pa Kent of Superman, you think of old timers in their 60s or beyond.

You have the impression? I thought it wa a fact.

Snyder is doing something I really like. He is saying it is as though there have never been any Superman films.

Every director from a modern superhero movie or sci-fi movie has said the exact same thing: "We're doing something you've never seen before."

I'd be amazed if Snyder didn't say so.

 

[DIRECTOR]

whatever the story is, i'm realy happy Zach isn't going to involve the earlier films in any way

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

whatever the story is, i'm realy happy Zach isn't going to involve the earlier films in any way

Other than the music BWAHAHAHAHAHA! J/K!

 

[SuperAl]

im hoping for a origin. The previous movie is a crappy telling of supermans origin and its 30 yrs old and it doesnt help that Smallville is the most recent media to depict his origin, i doubt zack and nolan want kids and new fans coming in thinking smallville is what superman is. You ask a common person what krypton looks like they'll prolly say it looks like the arctic. They probably don't know why the planet blew up either or who Jor-el was to krypton rather than just knowing that he was Superman's real father.

i think trying to start a movie where hes already Superman prolly makes it harder for people to care about the character considering they dont know why he chooses to become superman or the fact that he couldve been a millionaire cuz of his genius or dominated sports. not to mention if they use zod or brainiac it just gives more background to those characters depending on their roles in kryptons destruction

 

[BH/HHH]

I want Superman Begins and it seems like we may be getting that.

 

[KrypJonian]

I have nothing to base this off of other than gut instinct, but I'm beginning to get the distinct impressions we're going to be seeing "Superman Begins" -- a Superman variation on the film "Batman Begins" despite the early on talk we would not be re-hashing the well-hashed origin story.

I doubt the film will be a total re-telling of the origins; I doubt such very, very much. It's well-treaded ground. But I do imagine some non-linear flash-backs to Clark Kent the young man, as he first discovers his powers or some such.

I base this on two things: the forward Goyer recently wrote for the released graphic novel that shows such. Shows Clark Kent, late high school, discovering all of this. He's an alien with these immense powers. How isolating such would be, how frightening and stressful for him, it's something he doesn't initially want; a burden he must cope with at first before he realizes how much good he can do.

Combine that all with the casting of the Kents... and it just makes me think, while 80% of the story will be modern-time, Superman is there and established and has been for a while, I think 20% will be flash-back to teen Kent. Because they would cast at least 10-15 years older for the Kents otherwise; Costner is only 56, Diane Lane is 46.

When you think Ma and Pa Kent of Superman, you think of old timers in their 60s or beyond.

Clark was definitely not "late high school" age in secret origins...

 

[BH/HHH]

Clark was definitely not "late high school" age in secret origins...

Definitely not ha ha

 

[Rodrigo90]

Well as Kal-Mart said in another thread,and I agree. Its best to have the story revolve and develop around Clark throughout the duration. Showing his decision to become Superman,and where it will lead him to.

Instead of it being just like the original,goes to the Fortress.bang! he's Superman,fighting for TJATAW. Its important not forget that Clark was raised by human's and has the same struggles we have, both as himself and Superman.

People couldnt connect with Christopher cause he was a no nonsense policeman type,and his Clark Kent was just a disguise. You couldn't connect with Brandon Routh cause Superman was a mute and Clark Kent was just in the background.

The only Superman/Clark Kent who can be connected with was Dean Cain. He displayed the human side of Clark,and showed that Superman is his creation,trying to inspire the good and the law. That shouldn't be forgotten.

 

[jthom19802]

Well as Kal-Mart said in another thread,and I agree. Its best to have the story revolve and develop around Clark throughout the duration. Showing his decision to become Superman,and where it will lead him to.

Instead of it being just like the original,goes to the Fortress.bang! he's Superman,fighting for TJATAW. Its important not forget that Clark was raised by human's and has the same struggles we have, both as himself and Superman.

People couldnt connect with Christopher cause he was a no nonsense policeman type,and his Clark Kent was just a disguise. You couldn't connect with Brandon Routh cause Superman was a mute and Clark Kent was just in the background.

The only Superman/Clark Kent who can be connected with was Dean Cain. He displayed the human side of Clark,and showed that Superman is his creation,trying to inspire the good and the law. That shouldn't be forgotten.

Couldn't agree more. I said in another thread something along the lines of why I want to see some Birthright thrown in there because the audience is always asked to make assumptions based on already knowing Superman. Smallville aside of course, never has the who/what/why and how been explored in live-action media. Dean Cain will certainly never be the most famous or the most popular Superman, but he will at least to this point be the most "human" Clark Kent.

Plus Cain was always the coolest Clark. I've always hated that some 6'3, muscular, intelligent, award winning successful journalist had to be portrayed as some sort of goofy dork just to "throw people off". Granted L&C started off that way a bit, but by the end Clark was every bit the catch that Lois was.

 

[Astrodust]

I'm looking forward to an Superman origins film. They don't need to go back as far as Krypton but I wouldn't care if they did. I think it would be dumb to jump right into the action and use flashbacks to tell the story.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Birthright is the best way to go. That story gave us a modern and realistic tale as to why Superman wants to save the world. Cause he experiences the horrors of war,the injustice of broken law and the suffering of others (All that in the first issue).

I believe if something like that is shown in the movie,it would give the audience a new and better sense of Superman,and his motives.

Cause the thing people dont understand about Superman is his human side. They believe he has powers,he's a goody two shoes,of course he's going to be a hero.

But they dont know is that for duration of time,Clark wanted to live a normal life and basically hide away on the farm. That's showing in Birthright,until he see's the world and wants to help it.

Not because he's a boy scout with powers,but because its the most noble act any person can do in any way. Thats what Clark tries to inspire as Superman.

 

[jthom19802]

Birthright is the best way to go. That story gave us a modern and realistic tale as to why Superman wants to save the world. Cause he experiences the horrors of war,the injustice of broken law and the suffering of others (All that in the first issue).

I believe if something like that is shown in the movie,it would give the audience a new and better sense of Superman,and his motives.

Cause the thing people dont understand about Superman is his human side. They believe he has powers,he's a goody two shoes,of course he's going to be a hero.

But they dont know is that for duration of time,Clark wanted to live a normal life and basically hide away on the farm. That's showing in Birthright,until he see's the world and wants to help it.

Not because he's a boy scout with powers,but because its the most noble act any person can do in any way. Thats what Clark tries to inspire as Superman.

Bingo. They could never use it for the first movie because he's still younger, but I think the closest thing to Birthright when it pertains to the human side is Ross and Dini's Peace On Earth. LOVE that story just because of the perspective it gives that you'd never think about if you hadn't read it.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Absolutely

 

[BH/HHH]

Birthright is the best way to go. That story gave us a modern and realistic tale as to why Superman wants to save the world. Cause he experiences the horrors of war,the injustice of broken law and the suffering of others (All that in the first issue).

I believe if something like that is shown in the movie,it would give the audience a new and better sense of Superman,and his motives.

Cause the thing people dont understand about Superman is his human side. They believe he has powers,he's a goody two shoes,of course he's going to be a hero.

But they dont know is that for duration of time,Clark wanted to live a normal life and basically hide away on the farm. That's showing in Birthright,until he see's the world and wants to help it.

Not because he's a boy scout with powers,but because its the most noble act any person can do in any way. Thats what Clark tries to inspire as Superman.

Great post

 

[Herolee10]

Birthright is the best way to go. That story gave us a modern and realistic tale as to why Superman wants to save the world. Cause he experiences the horrors of war,the injustice of broken law and the suffering of others (All that in the first issue).

I believe if something like that is shown in the movie,it would give the audience a new and better sense of Superman,and his motives.

Cause the thing people dont understand about Superman is his human side. They believe he has powers,he's a goody two shoes,of course he's going to be a hero.

But they dont know is that for duration of time,Clark wanted to live a normal life and basically hide away on the farm. That's showing in Birthright,until he see's the world and wants to help it.

Not because he's a boy scout with powers,but because its the most noble act any person can do in any way. Thats what Clark tries to inspire as Superman.

Agreed with all of this. I really want this film to show as to how much of an important decision Clark took to cross that line of no return and expose himself as "Superman" to the world in order to help people.

One of the things that the movies had failed to capitalize on was capturing the reaction of the public towards Superman's first arrival since I think it would have been realistic if it was shown that there were some who were actually scared and wary of his presence at first.

I want to see this film show on how Clark earned and won over the trust and faith of the people in him as Superman and how he really gave them hope for a better tomorrow.

And of course, I want to see on how his earth parents really influenced him in the man that he is today and how their morals and upbringing really had a hand in shaping the character that he is.

 

[JAK®]

If they use Birthright as inspiration for the story we will have something special on our hands.

 

[Zachhelms]

Superman Begins would be awesome. Origin stories are great. Just add more action. I think origin story for Superman could be boring, and we want sequels SO ADD ACTION. And we never really got a good origin story from the last Superman. And don't show as much of Krypton as they did in the 1978 movie.

 

[Showtime]

We've been talking about this new film as if it is Superman Begins for quite awhile now, I prefer Superman Starts.

 

[Zachhelms]

We've been talking about this new film as if it is Superman Begins for quite awhile now, I prefer Superman Starts.

The best names in my opinion are Superman: A New Dawn or Superman: The Last Son Of Krypton.

Superman Begins or Superman Starts just don't sound right in my opinion.

 

[Showtime]

Oh I don't think they would actually call the film Superman Begins or Superman Starts. Just code names for discussion.

You're going to most likely get Superman: Man of Steel or Man of Steel. I would personally like Adventures Of Superman, makes it sound fun at least.

 

[Herolee10]

I wonder if, like how BB had given reasonable explanations as to how Bruce forged his Batman persona (getting the gadgets, suit, inspiration of prowling as a bat), if this film will give us an reasonable/believable explanation as to why Clark chooses to use a simple pair of glasses to cover his identity, how it actually works for him, and why he chooses to dress up the way he does when being Superman.

 

[Frontier]

Oh I don't think they would actually call the film Superman Begins or Superman Starts. Just code names for discussion.

You're going to most likely get Superman: Man of Steel or Man of Steel. I would personally like Adventures Of Superman, makes it sound fun at least.

I think folks are saying SB to preface it with Batman Begins is all. It's simpler, easier.

BTW, love the Superman shield in your av. Have a bigger one? That'd be a nice one for the film. Slightly different.