Superman Begins?

[DorkyFresh]

if they just follow the intro for Birthright and use the first 10 minutes to show Jor-El and Lara sending Kal-El off into space (ala Star Trek showing the Kirk's birth and his dad's sacrifice)...it would be the perfect opener. no need for flashbacks or interweaving Lara/Jor-El's sacrifice into the rest of the movie...just translate the intro to Birthright and make it feel as epic as the intro to Star Trek.

 

[The Batman]

The only way I'd be satisfied with yet another onscreen superman origin is if they use BR as a guide. It's the most balanced Superman story of the past 20 years. Waid knew exactly where to put pre crisis and post crisis elements while also modernizing the whole thing for the 21st century

 

[Kurosawa]

See, I want just enough of Krypton itself revealed to make the audience want more, and enough to make it clear that Superman's costume is derived from traditional Kryptonian clothes. Then if the Superman film was a hit, they could make a complete Last Days of Krypton film telling of the theft of Kandor by Brainiac, the destruction of Krypton's inhabited moon Wegthor by Jax-Ur and how those events led to the end of Krypton's Space Program and ban on space-travel. Krypton's destruction itself would make a serious epic movie.

 

[The Sage]

A sequel involving Brainiac with history on Krypton's last days would make for a terrific story most likely.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Then what about Indiana Jones? You don't relate to him?

No... He's one of the most unrealistic characters in existence IMO. I mean I love the movies, but he's not a serious character... he's the main man in a spectacularly fun action movie series.

1. It appears that what you refuse to accept does not agree with reality. SV is a ten year Superman story whether you accept it or not.

2. So now we need to see every little detail of his origin? If that's what you're saying, that's just an unrealistic expectation. Not even this movie will cover all the things you want it too.

3. I disagree with much of your third point, especially since you have a clear bias against Donner's Superman, which clouds whatever argument you had.

1. I didn't say it's not a Superman story... I said it's an AU. Lois and Clark are already engaged, he's already fought most of his main villains, he's working at the DP before Perry and Jimmy are even there, and he's been masquerading as The Blur for a couple of years now... are you seriously suggesting this is not an AU origin story?

2. My point was not that they should tell every detail of his origin. It was that not every part of the origin story has been explored. Making it perfectly feesable to produce an origin story that is not just repeating what all the other interpretations have already done.

3. I'm confused... are you saying that because I don't like the Donner movies, I can't contribute to a debate about them? That me having a negative opinion of them somehow means that my arguements are to be ignored?

Bias is something that detrimentally affects a discussion of facts. It is almost NECCESARY in a discussion of opinions.

if they just follow the intro for Birthright and use the first 10 minutes to show Jor-El and Lara sending Kal-El off into space (ala Star Trek showing the Kirk's birth and his dad's sacrifice)...it would be the perfect opener. no need for flashbacks or interweaving Lara/Jor-El's sacrifice into the rest of the movie...just translate the intro to Birthright and make it feel as epic as the intro to Star Trek.

I'd be very happy with this

 

[The Batman]

No... He's one of the most unrealistic characters in existence IMO. I mean I love the movies, but he's not a serious character... he's the main man in a spectacularly fun action movie series.



1. I didn't say it's not a Superman story... I said it's an AU. Lois and Clark are already engaged, he's already fought most of his main villains, he's working at the DP before Perry and Jimmy are even there, and he's been masquerading as The Blur for a couple of years now... are you seriously suggesting this is not an AU origin story?

2. My point was not that they should tell every detail of his origin. It was that not every part of the origin story has been explored. Making it perfectly feesable to produce an origin story that is not just repeating what all the other interpretations have already done.

3. I'm confused... are you saying that because I don't like the Donner movies, I can't contribute to a debate about them? That me having a negative opinion of them somehow means that my arguements are to be ignored?

Bias is something that detrimentally affects a discussion of facts. It is almost NECCESARY in a discussion of opinions.



I'd be very happy with this

1. SV is no more "AU" than any other media version of Supes that has taken liberties with the comics.

2. I don't think its necessary that EVERY part of the origin should be explored. It's not bad if some things are left to audience's imagination. I don't need to see 45 minutes of Clark on some eurotrip or something just because it wasnt done on L & C.

3. I didnt say you're arguments should be ignored. And there's a difference between constructive critcism (which is always welcome in discussion) and having a clear bias, good or bad, which affects the credibility of any argument. People who can't seem to judge donner without any objectively have the same amount of credibility as Singer does for being a donner slave.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

1. SV is no more "AU" than any other media version of Supes that has taken liberties with the comics.

2. I don't think its necessary that EVERY part of the origin should be explored. It's not bad if some things are left to audience's imagination. I don't need to see 45 minutes of Clark on some eurotrip or something just because it wasnt done on L & C.

3. I didnt say you're arguments should be ignored. And there's a difference between constructive critcism (which is always welcome in discussion) and having a clear bias, good or bad, which affects the credibility of any argument. People who can't seem to judge donner without any objectively have the same amount of credibility as Singer does for being a donner slave.

1. I disagree... I think it has gone MUCH further than any other interpretation in it's changes to the comics... In fact I don't even understand how someone could make an arguement against that, though I respect that everyone has their own opinions

2. Did you read what I said? I too do not want see EVERY part of the origin either...

I will repeat it again: I was merely stating that it is possible to do an origin we haven't seen before, not just a rehashing of something we have, because not all aspects of the origin have been explored before (i.e. Birthright origin)

3. I don't see how my criticism of the Donner films does show a clear bias that so negatively effects my ability to discuss them with credibility...

I have stated that I don't feel the origin that Donner produced was relatable to the audience. I have frequently stated that I find Chris Reeves Superman very cheesy and it's difficult for younger generations to connect with a character that is so... 'uncool'.

Hey, I still own the bloody movies, I still watch them, I still enjoy them myself (because it's Superman dammit!). But I can see so many flaws in them, most of them due to the fact they are very dated.

Now, if i'd just come on here and started posting 'The Donner mvies SUCK', then i'd see your point...

 

[Nemi]

I need to get a hold of Birthright I keep hearing great things about it.

 

[Mr. Thing]

I need to get a hold of Birthright I keep hearing great things about it.

It's fantastic. Definitely the best retelling of the origin I've ever read.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

It's fantastic. Definitely the best retelling of the origin I've ever read.

Agreed.

I mean, I wouldn't want the whole story translated onto the big screen, because there are parts that I don't think would quite work.

But definitely the whole thing up until he gets to Metropolis would work amazingly.

 

[JAK®]

They should use Birthright with a few alterations:

-No soul vision
-No vegetarian Superman
-Lex should not be a childhood friend of Clark (it worked fine in the comic but too many villians are former friends of the hero)
-Brainiac should be the cause of Krypton's destruction like in S:TAS
-Brainiac should travel to Earth and be Lex's source of information on Krypton.
-Instead of a fake invasion, it should be a planned fake invasion but it turns out to be a real invasion by Brainiac who has double-crossed Luthor. This way, Superman can fight Brainiac at the end.

 

[RoughNTumble]

They should use Birthright with a few alterations:

-No soul vision
-No vegetarian Superman
-Lex should not be a childhood friend of Clark (it worked fine in the comic but too many villians are former friends of the hero)
-Brainiac should be the cause of Krypton's destruction like in S:TAS
-Brainiac should travel to Earth and be Lex's source of information on Krypton.
-Instead of a fake invasion, it should be a planned fake invasion but it turns out to be a real invasion by Brainiac who has double-crossed Luthor. This way, Superman can fight Brainiac at the end.

you could fit zod in there as well

 

[JAK®]

you could fit zod in there as well

Yeah, I could see Zod in that story but I think Brainiac fits better. How reliable is this Zod rumour?

 

[RoughNTumble]

Yeah, I could see Zod in that story but I think Brainiac fits better. How reliable is this Zod rumour?

don't replace him, just jam him right in

 

[JAK®]

don't replace him, just jam him right in

Wouldn't that be too much?

 

[RoughNTumble]

in a nolan/goyer script? nah

not that I know anything about writing. the closest I come are the lines I shout when I bang my action figures together.

not that I would ever do that. I like to keep them in mint condition.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

They should use Birthright with a few alterations:

-No soul vision
-No vegetarian Superman
-Lex should not be a childhood friend of Clark (it worked fine in the comic but too many villians are former friends of the hero)
-Brainiac should be the cause of Krypton's destruction like in S:TAS
-Brainiac should travel to Earth and be Lex's source of information on Krypton.
-Instead of a fake invasion, it should be a planned fake invasion but it turns out to be a real invasion by Brainiac who has double-crossed Luthor. This way, Superman can fight Brainiac at the end.

Exactly... and I think Brainiac is better in there than Zod because of the Superman 2 assosiations they are trying to avoid. I don't believe the Zod rumour anyway, I think it was started by people who know NOTHING about Superman, and he's just the only villain they've heard of.

 

[KRIM]

-Instead of a fake invasion, it should be a planned fake invasion but it turns out to be a real invasion by Brainiac who has double-crossed Luthor. This way, Superman can fight Brainiac at the end.

I got confused.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Actually,I'm rewriting it. t:

 

[JAK®]

I got confused.

Have you read Birthright? That would only make sense if you have read Birthright.

 

[KRIM]

Have you read Birthright? That would only make sense if you have read Birthright.

Yeah, I've read it. The story already featured a twist on the invasion, so adding more just made my brain hurt.

 

[JAK®]

Yeah, I've read it. The story already featured a twist on the invasion, so adding more just made my brain hurt.

No added twists. In my version, instead of Luthor just finding out info on Krypton on his own and using that to make his invasion, Brainiac gives him the information instead, pretending to 'help' him. When the invasion begins, Brainiac takes over and makes it a real invasion.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

I most defintily agree they should follow the Birthright story, but cut out the origin Krpton part. Having him be in Africa and to see firsthand why he needs to help would be a very unique way of showing why Clark felt it was important to help.

I don't know how I feel about Clark arriving in Metropolis and meeting Lois and co at the Planet. We've seen that so many times to be honest I'd rather skip that and just show maybe a year later where Superman has already been established.

They need to do things that haven't been done before, that's the main thing.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The only way I'd be satisfied with yet another onscreen superman origin is if they use BR as a guide. It's the most balanced Superman story of the past 20 years. Waid knew exactly where to put pre crisis and post crisis elements while also modernizing the whole thing for the 21st century

I think that a new Superman origin story needs to blend elements from Man of Steel, Birthright, Secret Origin, Earth One, STM, and STAS. Almost all of the modern Superman origin stories have a lot of really good elements in them that should be incorporated such as Brainiac willingly not telling Krypton of their impending doom to save himself from STAS, the final battle from Secret Origin, Clark taking a look at various careers and trying to figure out what to do with his life from Earth One, or Lex Luthor being the perfect blend of scientist/business man from Birthright.

 

[hippie_hunter]

They should use Birthright with a few alterations:

-No soul vision
-No vegetarian Superman
-Lex should not be a childhood friend of Clark (it worked fine in the comic but too many villians are former friends of the hero)
-Brainiac should be the cause of Krypton's destruction like in S:TAS
-Brainiac should travel to Earth and be Lex's source of information on Krypton.
-Instead of a fake invasion, it should be a planned fake invasion but it turns out to be a real invasion by Brainiac who has double-crossed Luthor. This way, Superman can fight Brainiac at the end.

I'd rather not see Superman fight an invasion in the new movie. I think that it would be better to see Superman fight more toned down villains such as Metallo in the first film and gradually build up to more powerful villains in the sequels (General Zod, Brainiac).