Why are so many people deadset against showing the origin?

[wattabrownsound]

people think that b/c of the Donner films and Smallville they and everybody else already knows it so they don't want time wasted rehashing the same thing over again.

but i think that they need to go back to very beginning so that they can get certain ideas out of people's heads like how krypton was destroyed b/c the red sun exploded and how krypton is some ice-like planet. if they don't people will probably continue to accept donner's and smallville's vision of superman's origin as cannon.

if they stick close to the comics they could create an origin that would feel fresh and new.

 

[Sam]

if they don't people will probably continue to accept donner's and smallville's vision of superman's origin as cannon.

Thats impossible!

Donner's version and Smallville's version are completely different!

But yeah, i understand what u mean and i agree 100%!

 

[wattabrownsound]

i don't watch alot of smallville but i was trying to say that people will continue to go "krypton was destroyed b/c the red sun exploded but also there was a meteor shower when kal-el's ship entered earth and oh, b/c of that meteor show lex lost his hair." so people will kind of mesh together both donner's and smallville's vision of superman's origin and accept that as cannon.

was krypton destroyed for a different reason in smallville than in the donner films?

 

[wattabrownsound]

those who don't want the origin retold for superman are like the people who don't want spider-man's origin retold for its reboot either. they say they already know the origin story but b/c they've grown up on donner's and raimi's films and haven't read the comics all they know is the directors spin on each of the superheroes respective origin.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well Spidermans origins dont need to be told over because it was told in live action less than 10 yrs ago. And Im sure theyll briefly go over it in the next series

 

[Vaibow]

Well Spidermans origins dont need to be told over because it was told in live action less than 10 yrs ago. And Im sure theyll briefly go over it in the next series

A new series/reboot/retcon/routhboot or whatever you want to call it, definitly in my mind needs some sort of origins, just to firmly establish that it is not connected to any previous films.

Another way to firmly establish this is decent marketing - making it clear it has nothing to do with previous incarnations, new font, new logo, new suit, new cast, decent interviews and articles. You would probably have to start everything from scratch... even the theme tune?

Although it worked for Bond....

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i said countless times i love the Reeve movies and the origins there and how others have been since Reeve's movie. But its a new day and era and things are much different for the character. So its time to see things in a new and different light.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well Spidermans origins dont need to be told over because it was told in live action less than 10 yrs ago. And Im sure theyll briefly go over it in the next series

Seconded.

 

[Frodo]

I think the origin really depends on if it's a hinders the main storyline or furthers it. I mean, if all you're going to do is an updated version of the Donner method there's no point in doing it .

However if the origin plays a big role in the overall storyline of the film and somehow connects to the narrative of the first film i.e Brainac as the villan who also was part of Krypton's destruction etc, then I think it's needed.

I personally think they most interesting part of the Superman story is when he arrives in Metropolis and meets Lois. I think the need is to get there as soon as possible, as opposed to toiling away in Smallville or on Krypton politics.

Sometimes you have to do what's best for the story and the audience, as opposed to what's you'd like to see as a fan . If the story is good and an origin only slows it down then I say it's not needed but it depends on what story you want to tell and how you want to tell it.

 

[Webhead2006]

totally frodo with the right story a new and different origin could be a new and great take on the character. Then as to how you want to do origin and all that with smallville/krypton/metropolis life as we all have stated it coudl go many different ways liner, non liner and all that.

 

[wattabrownsound]

didn't someone mention though that the origin should be retold so it could introduce superman to the newer generation of kids.
so for us who know the basics of superman's origin it shouldn't be retold for the sake of show but the newer generation it does.

 

[Webhead2006]

well it should be told in any new take of the character. So it takes advantage of its a different story and it isnt just the same old same old and all that. Now the question is what do u want to see in the origin and what story telling technique they decide to go with.

 

[wattabrownsound]

b/c whatever happened, happened.

 

[Webhead2006]

huh?

 

[Lightning54SC]

the reason people dont want it is cuz superman is the vastly the most popluar hero and everyone basically knows his origon

 

[Webhead2006]

yea sure alot of folks do know the standard deal origin for him. But like many of us have pointed out. if a new series want to be different we need to have a new look/story behind krypton and smallville life then we have seen. or then yea everyone would think its just the same thing over and over again and be who cares. But with the right story we can see things in a new and different light.

 

[MadVillainy]

So?

Everyone knew/knows Batman's and Spiderman's origins and they were shown

The whole "everyone knows the origin" argument is really flawed

 

[Frodo]

As I've said before it really depends if the origin ,meaning Krypton/Smallville ,furthers the main story or if it's just there for fan purposes. When Nolan did the Batman origin he at least had it be a key part to the overall story and explored an area that hadn't been explored on film before. With Spiderman I think it was needed because while the general public knew's the character Spiderman , they didn't know all the in's and out's about Peter Parker, uncle ben, the killing etc. That doesn't apply to Superman .

If anything you'll have to focus on a part of the origin that hasn't been focussed our bring something new to it. That applies to the film in general as well, but if you're gonna have an origin it can't just be an update of the Donner version,(in terms of story structure) or of Smallville(i.e Lex meeting Clark, Lana stuff).

I'm personally not against an origin ,but I think the key should be Clark coming to Metropolis, meeting Lois, and Superman's first appearence. That's were the story really should begin imo.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i am sure wit hthe right writer they could easily tie the whole krypton/smallville pre moving to metropolis life into what is going to be the over arching story of the film. Like if they have brainiac for example and he blew up krypton. Or they do something of a younger lex meeting a young clark once or soemthing. There is alot they can do.

 

[nocomics]

BAh,do the origin story via Flashbacks imo..Everyone knows his basic origin so just put in Flashbacks in the right spots(Watchmen did it very well and not the average moviegoer knows alot about that comic).
Someone mentioned having a different take on his Krypton/Smallville well thats fine and dandy,but u will have every swinging ......fanboy crying foul that they didnt follow source material to the tee..

 

[wattabrownsound]

- there was never any doubt in Clark mind to become the hero.
- he accepts that he is alien to easily.
- there was never another path Clark could have taken instead of the one leading him to become the hero.

 

[MadVillainy]

Are you saying use them or not use those 3 ideas

 

[wattabrownsound]

people are against showing the origin again:

-b/c there was never another path for Clark to take- a darker path or a path where he could give up his powers to just be human- while he tries to make sense of who he is.
-b/c Clark never doubts becoming Superman. we know Clark will become Superman and know Clark will no doubt choose to become Superman.
-b/c he accepts that he is an alien to easily. he never rejects that he is an alien to just be human or rejects being human to be the alien that he is.

 

[wattabrownsound]

another reason, people don't want to see Clark do anything epic with his powers or fight a villain they want to see Superman do it instead.

 

[Doc Ock]

A reboot film NEEDS to show a origin, but it doesn't have to take up alot of the movie.