Superman Reboot Writers Workshop

[mego joe]

It was good, it was boring only for average CGI action fans the characters were portrayed like in any of the previous movies, and then a little better than that..

IT was boring b/c the plot was recycled, it moved at a glacial pace and the characters were flat and lifeless. Boring.

 

[mego joe]

But that lacked of good action and had some corny dialogues and one-liners amongst what was supposed to be serious and realistic.

And it did 20 millions less than SR.

Oh, but it costed much less also. So execs did get the money they wanted. Green light.

And yet it gets a sequel b/c what comes next has the potential to do even more in $. Because the potential is exciting and interesting, completely unlike SR.

 

[Excel]

All your prayers are answered in my sig!

 

[Dan]

Not all Superman fans have the low standards in storytelling and filmmaking that you do.

You know, I've observed a lot of hostility in this forum and have tried to remain civil, but I feel a comment this ignorant doesn't deserve civility. Criticize the script and acting of SR, but do not critique the level of film-making (that is of course unless you have the qualifications to do so).

I'm tried not to go into this, but now you've left me no choice. One of the reasons I love SR so much is BECAUSE of the level of filmmaking – the cinematography, direction, and art direction – ALL top notch. Are you telling me you're going to go against the opinions of hundreds of artists in various guilds who do these things for a LIVING and who know their art inside and out? Since you’ve already demonstrated you aren't familiar with this subject, I'll go ahead and tell you. SR was on the Academy’s shortlist for both Best Cinematography AND Best Art Direction. Yes, the script and acting may have been sub-par, in your opinion, but I'm sorry to let you know, if YOU think the level of FILMMAKING was poor, it's because YOU have poor taste, that is unless you're telling me you have better taste in cinematography and art direction than members of the Academy who are actual people who do these things for a living.

But, you know, I suppose TRANSFORMERS is just phenomenal filmmaking, right?

How pathetic you are, and I'm sorry to everyone else who read this reply for having to stoop to such a low level.

 

[JamalYIgle]

You know, I've observed a lot of hostility in this forum and have tried to remain civil, but I feel a comment this ignorant doesn't deserve civility. Criticize the script and acting of SR, but do not critique the level of film-making (that is of course unless you have the qualifications to do so).

I'm tried not to go into this, but now you've left me no choice. One of the reasons I love SR so much is BECAUSE of the level of filmmaking – the cinematography, direction, and art direction – ALL top notch. Are you telling me you're going to go against the opinions of hundreds of artists in various guilds who do these things for a LIVING and who know their art inside and out? Since you’ve already demonstrated you aren't familiar with this subject, I'll go ahead and tell you. SR was on the Academy’s shortlist for both Best Cinematography AND Best Art Direction. Yes, the script and acting may have been sub-par, in your opinion, but I'm sorry to let you know, if YOU think the level of FILMMAKING was poor, it's because YOU have poor taste, that is unless you're telling me you have better taste in cinematography and art direction than members of the Academy who are actual people who do these things for a living.

But, you know, I suppose TRANSFORMERS is just phenomenal filmmaking, right?

How pathetic you are, and I'm sorry to everyone else who read this reply for having to stoop to such a low level.

Quoted for truth. Nicely done.

 

[El Payaso]

The want a reboot b/c a continuation of this storyline will not meet their expectations for financial profitability. It's about $, and they know they arent' going to make any by continuing Singer's stupid story.

You're conveniently confusing their money expectation and your personal tastes.

Please show me some proof that the Singer story won't make money, considering SR made moremoney than BB. Please show me a link or a valid line of reasoning.

And sure, adding "stupid" to the broth sounds strong. But not convincing.

Not all Superman fans have the low standards in storytelling and filmmaking that you do.

Lol. Not all Superman fans have the low standards in storytelling and filmmaking that you do.

What have we proved here actually?

IT was boring b/c the plot was recycled, it moved at a glacial pace and the characters were flat and lifeless. Boring.

Practically all the plotlines are recycled from somewhere else.

That said, I admit the pace was not for CGI fest lovers.

And yet it gets a sequel b/c what comes next has the potential to do even more in $. Because the potential is exciting and interesting, completely unlike SR.

Again your logic fallacies.

The potential to make more money has nothing to do with its quality. BO doesn't necessarily reflect the quality of a movie and certainly Hollywood people still can't predict what will make money and what won't.

 

[mego joe]

You know, I've observed a lot of hostility in this forum and have tried to remain civil, but I feel a comment this ignorant doesn't deserve civility. Criticize the script and acting of SR, but do not critique the level of film-making (that is of course unless you have the qualifications to do so).

I'm tried not to go into this, but now you've left me no choice. One of the reasons I love SR so much is BECAUSE of the level of filmmaking – the cinematography, direction, and art direction – ALL top notch. Are you telling me you're going to go against the opinions of hundreds of artists in various guilds who do these things for a LIVING and who know their art inside and out? Since you’ve already demonstrated you aren't familiar with this subject, I'll go ahead and tell you. SR was on the Academy’s shortlist for both Best Cinematography AND Best Art Direction. Yes, the script and acting may have been sub-par, in your opinion, but I'm sorry to let you know, if YOU think the level of FILMMAKING was poor, it's because YOU have poor taste, that is unless you're telling me you have better taste in cinematography and art direction than members of the Academy who are actual people who do these things for a living.

But, you know, I suppose TRANSFORMERS is just phenomenal filmmaking, right?

How pathetic you are, and I'm sorry to everyone else who read this reply for having to stoop to such a low level.

No, Transformers was mediocre. SR while having high production value and beautiful visually, was a HORRIBLE movie about Superman. Perhaps instead of fimmaking I should have left it with storytelling.

And I'll have you know I'm not pathetic, just passionate, and like many on this forum I sometimes get carried away.

What's pathetic is Superman as deadbeat dad. That's pathetic. (getting carried away again.)

 

[mego joe]

You're conveniently confusing their money expectation and your personal tastes.

Please show me some proof that the Singer story won't make money, considering SR made moremoney than BB. Please show me a link or a valid line of reasoning.

Well don't you think WB would have greenlit at least one of the pitches he already made if Singer's story would have made money?

And sure, adding "stupid" to the broth sounds strong. But not convincing.

I just get carried away sometimes.

Lol. Not all Superman fans have the low standards in storytelling and filmmaking that you do.

Apparently yours are even lower.

What have we proved here actually?

C'mon, you know we're all throwing our opinions around!

Practically all the plotlines are recycled from somewhere else.

All what plotlines? Yes, either S:TM or Days of Our Lives.

How about a Superman comic for once!?!

That said, I admit the pace was not for CGI fest lovers.

The pace was not for people who were trying to stay awake.

Again your logic fallacies.

THe only reason SR made what it did was b/c it was Superman. The fact that it didn't make more was b/c it was so bad. SO yes, sometimes bad movie do gross a lot- ala SR. A better film would have made more.
The potential to make more money has nothing to do with its quality. BO doesn't necessarily reflect the quality of a movie and certainly Hollywood people still can't predict what will make money and what won't.[/quote]

 

[mego joe]

Guys and Gals,

With all the recent news there's been a lot more discussion lately and it's ratcheted up again between the lovers and the haters.

I'm just passionate about the subject and from my perspective SR was horrible and the character needs a reboot to have a chance at success.

I don't want anyone to think I'm getting personal, or nasty, my passion for the discussion is getting better of me for whatever reason, so- if I've offended - I'm sincerely sorry.

We're all here b/c we like Superman and want a great Superman film.

-Mego Joe

 

[Superman-Prime]

Three words.

KEEP BRANDON ROUTH.

The end.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Don't apology, man. I know your feeling on this & you wish Superman did better than what you wanted. Beside, you didn't flame everyone here (me including). And I'm sure you respect some of us who like SR, even if you don't like the movie. No apology needed. up:

And I disagree only a reboot can be successful. Sure it can do that, but making a sequel can save it too if done right. Nothing is impossible, even if it does seem so. Beside, even reboot can be bad too. It work both way.

 

[Hypestyle]

they've got to expand the characters with people from the comics, not just inventing people with little long-term relevance.. you KNOW lois isn't going to marry Richard-- if she does, then that makes for a really creepy subtext if Lois still pines for him.. Jason adds a wrinkle to the relationship (and the future of the films) that has already been addressed ad nauseam..)

Supergirl needs to be introduced..
more villains besides Lex, or even Zod and company.. diversify.. audiences have seen all of Batman's top rogues, even if the films were sub-par..

 

[Anita18]

I'm tried not to go into this, but now you've left me no choice. One of the reasons I love SR so much is BECAUSE of the level of filmmaking – the cinematography, direction, and art direction – ALL top notch. Are you telling me you're going to go against the opinions of hundreds of artists in various guilds who do these things for a LIVING and who know their art inside and out? Since you’ve already demonstrated you aren't familiar with this subject, I'll go ahead and tell you. SR was on the Academy’s shortlist for both Best Cinematography AND Best Art Direction. Yes, the script and acting may have been sub-par, in your opinion, but I'm sorry to let you know, if YOU think the level of FILMMAKING was poor, it's because YOU have poor taste, that is unless you're telling me you have better taste in cinematography and art direction than members of the Academy who are actual people who do these things for a living.

But, you know, I suppose TRANSFORMERS is just phenomenal filmmaking, right?

How pathetic you are, and I'm sorry to everyone else who read this reply for having to stoop to such a low level.

That's why I'm so frustrated with the film to begin with. It was a beautiful movie, a gorgeous movie. Many, many people worked their butts off for months to make it look as good as it did. And the storytelling couldn't keep its end of the bargain.

In the end, filmmaking is about storytelling. If you can't tell a story convincingly with your film, then the film has essentially failed. It might as well be a series of pretty images.

I'm also frustrated cause this is the from the same director who brought us Usual Suspects, which is one of my favorite movies. It was built around the actual telling of a story, and it was fantastic. Where did Singer go wrong?

 

[bunk]

"You can stuff your sorries in a sack, mister!"

 

[Nightwing1977]

"You can stuff your sorries in a sack, mister!"

Like this one?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I found your posts to be funny and no more offensive than some other people's post on these boards.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

No need to apologize, Mr. Joe. Everyone here is pretty passionate about our beloved Superman. Though I may be sardonic in many of my posts (its just my sense of humor ) and not agree with you on many issues, I have always thought that you posted intelligently and never went out and insulted anyone. Stick to your guns, you've done nothing wrong.

 

[nintendo nerd]

I found your posts to be funny and no more offensive than some other people's post on these boards.

Like yours?

 

[Showtime]

"You can stuff your sorries in a sack, mister!"

Coooo...Stan..Za.

 

[VenomsMom]

Well no need to apologize about anything Joe. We are all here to have a civil and orderly discusssion about Superman and his latest interpretation to the big screen. We all have our opinions about the manner in which Supes has been portrayed and the possibilities of the direction he should move in. It is now going on 2 whole years since SR was released and we still continue to debate this intriguing movie. The days continue to pass as we await the latest information on the sequel. For 2 years now we have been entertained with such threads as "Murdering the kid" for the sake of eliminating this character or just creating a reason to piss Supes off to motivate his rage at striking back a supervillain. We have endured threads of such discussions as "Should they introduce Corporate Lex or continue the Conman wanting to take over the world". Or how about "Should Singer return or get the Can". Yes.... that was interesting. there have been countless others. Yet....In each and everyone we there have been those who hated it and bashed it and those who loved it and defended it and then there is Showtime of course. Its like an endless cycle and now we are back to the beginning. Honestly I think you have been civil and direct in each of your post without offending anyone. We all want a Superman movie that represents what we think he should be or should have been. All I can say is nothing is going to change SR and if given a sequel which at this point seems unlikely it will continue down the same path of what has been introduced.Other wise it will take years to put another quality movie together in reboot form. So no need to apologize my friend, we will be discussing these same topics come 2009 and beyond. Good night and Godspeed.

 

[Dr. Fate]

No need to apologize Joe.

 

[Dan]

You certainly didn't have to apologize, and I hope you didn't start this thread because of one of my replies in this forum. I understand that you're just passionate; a lot of us of are.

 

[mego joe]

I just know that after a few posts I felt I might be getting towards the personal side of things and I just took a step back to make sure I wasn't being a jerk or offensive.

 

[Krug3r]

Ohhhh.....group hug next??? This is such a republican girls' sorority type of thing.

 

[hammy]

Beside, even reboot can be bad too. It work both way.

Perish the thought!!
(but so true)