Superman Reboot Writers Workshop

[matthooper]

Calling people who have an opinion different from yours "liars"...is a bit much.

Too many people on here have a problem admitting one important thing....different people have different opinions. A "fact" is an accountable, definable, proveable thing....an opinion is an opinion. Many subjectful things go into formulating an opinion....so don't call someone a liar if it differs from yours.

Your joking right? The post was in obviously in jest, and I used words like "I bet" and clearly said they were not lying that they like it. I think you have better things to do like manage spam, threats, and profanity than to mention my post that was obvioulsy a joke. I called no one a liar. I figured the part about a lie detector was reason enough for a child to see it was a joke.

 

[C. Lee]

Your joking right? The post was in obviously in jest, and I used words like "I bet" and clearly said they were not lying that they like it. I think you have better things to do like manage spam, threats, and profanity than to mention my post that was obvioulsy a joke. I called no one a liar. I figured the part about a lie detector was reason enough for a child to see it was a joke.

Nope...I wasn't joking. It wasn't obviously a jest either (read back through the last several years here....then get back with me).....I have heard many many things here.

99% of the work here is checking on complaints....and this was complained about.

 

[Showtime]

Nope...I wasn't joking. It wasn't obviously a jest either (read back through the last several years here....then get back with me).....I have heard many many things here.

99% of the work here is checking on complaints....and this was complained about.

Stop doing your job C. Lee!

 

[matthooper]

Nope...I wasn't joking. It wasn't obviously a jest either (read back through the last several years here....then get back with me).....I have heard many many things here.

99% of the work here is checking on complaints....and this was complained about.

I feel sorry for the person who complained.

 

[JBElliott]

People ofcourse have different interpitations of the character and I respect that, but I never really cared for the Clark Kent is the costume idea. I always liked to think of Superman as Clark (everyman) Kent with powers. I never liked that he hated being Clark, he is Clark IMHO. Sure he tones himself down to fit in and for that reason can never act exactly like himself but I see him as more of an everyman with superpowers, not some g-d.

I agree. The character being Clark first and Superman only as Clark doing super stuff in the suit is what works best, in my opinion. The greatest thing about Clark/Superman isn't all his super powers, it's what he does with them, that's what really makes Clark a Superman. Clark is the person we all hope that we could be if we had all those powers. Making the character Clark first emphasizes this point and really brings the best about Clark/Superman home.

 

[C. Lee]

Stop doing your job C. Lee!

I tried....but I couldn't chew through the chains.

I feel sorry for the person who complained.

Yeah...it's a shame when people want to be treated with dignity and respect instead of just taking insults and attacks about their opinions.

 

[The Overlord]

He walks up to them and says, "Hi, everybody! The name's Luthor, Lex Luthor. Possibly you've heard the name: the Greatest Criminal Mind Of All Time!

I can give you the Brass Ring, unlimited freedom to maim and kill and destroy! PLUS: Lex Luthor's keen mind, Lex Luthor's savvy, Lex Luthor's career guidance and give you the Son of Jor-El? Or maybe you know him better by the name he normally uses and travels under... Superman.

Parasite: And we need you because.....

Metallo: Seriously your last plan involved destroying North America and pissing off the rest world with a poorly thought out real estate scheme. George W. Bush is a better evil "genius" then you are.

 

[Eros]

Parasite: And we need you because.....

Metallo: Seriously your last plan involved destroying North America and pissing off the rest world with a poorly thought out real estate scheme. George W. Bush is a better evil "genius" then you are.

Luthor did nearly Kill superman, and found and stole technology from supermans hidden fotress.

 

[The Overlord]

Luthor did nearly Kill superman, and found and stole technology from supermans hidden fotress.

And Lex would have killed himself by an US army airstrike or someone who would buy land on NK just so he could kill Lex in his sleep. A real genius would have devised a plan to kill Superman that wouldn't get him killed shortly after. Is Lex stupid or does he just have a death wish? the only reason Lex stole tech from Superman's fortress is because Superman was too stupid to lock the door on his fotress while he was away for 5 years. I can hardly give Lex credit for profiting off Superman's stupidity.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

KILL JASON!!!! JASON MUST DIE!!!!! HAVE JASON GET RUN OVER BY A DAMN TRAIN OR CAR FILLED WITH KRYPTONITE!!! I DON'T CARE HOW HE DIES!!! AS LONG AS HE DIES!!!!!

 

[bosef982]

And Lex would have killed himself by an US army airstrike or someone who would buy land on NK just so he could kill Lex in his sleep. A real genius would have devised a plan to kill Superman that wouldn't get him killed shortly after. Is Lex stupid or does he just have a death wish? the only reason Lex stole tech from Superman's fortress is because Superman was too stupid to lock the door on his fotress while he was away for 5 years. I can hardly give Lex credit for profiting off Superman's stupidity.

sdaf

Um...a real genius probably wouldn't kill anyone in the first place, unless they're psychotic, which by then all their genius goes out the window because its processed through a mind that cannot think clearly. Thus, in SR, Luthor -- whiel a genius -- is so twisted and insane that his blind hatred for Superman cripples his ability to make a resourceful plan.

However, I could still argue that New Krypton was still growing and eventually would've yielded the technology neccessary to defend himself.

 

[Cats]

Suggestions to fix Supes:

1. Do a prequel, then conveniently forget that Superman Returns ever, or will happen in the future.

2. Change the Lois casting to someone who has more chemistry with Routh. Superman is dedicated to only one woman, let us see what makes her so special!

3. No illegitimate babies, no pre-marital sex, no home-wrecking. This isn't an episode of Desperate Housewives. We don't need the unnecessary drama.

4. Give Routh more lines for goodness sake! He ought to be the focus of the movie, not Kevin Spacey and Parker Posey.

5. Have more scenes of Clark as a busy working reporter than Clark the dude who pretends to fumble with files, Clark the eavesdropper, or Clark the desktop day-dreamer.

6. Make Clark's parents (since it'll be a prequel) a bigger part of the whole story than just a laundry stop-over.

7. Restore Lex to an unsuspectable wealthy power behind Metropolis. It's the illusion of innocence that makes him a greater threat to Superman.

8. Proof read scripts at least 10x over by people who know Superman and had been following his comics for a considerable period to patch up loopholes, SR just had too many of 'em.

9. Have Singer stop pretending to be Donner, and Routh pretending to be Reeves. They have a chance to re-interpret the character for the 21st century - do it.

 

[The Overlord]

sdaf

Um...a real genius probably wouldn't kill anyone in the first place, unless they're psychotic, which by then all their genius goes out the window because its processed through a mind that cannot think clearly. Thus, in SR, Luthor -- whiel a genius -- is so twisted and insane that his blind hatred for Superman cripples his ability to make a resourceful plan.

However, I could still argue that New Krypton was still growing and eventually would've yielded the technology neccessary to defend himself.

You could argue that, but it would just be unproven speculation.

Making Lex psychotic makes him a bad Joker clone, only joker can come off as intelligent and psychotic. Post crisis Lex and STAS Lex are psychoapths not psychotics, thus they can use their genius and not create stupid plans that make no sense, that's what makes Lex threat to Superman. Seriously if Movie Lex cxan't even create a good plan, what would he do in a sequel?

 

[raybia]

Suggestions to fix Supes:

1. Do a prequel, then conveniently forget that Superman Returns ever, or will happen in the future.

2. Change the Lois casting to someone who has more chemistry with Routh. Superman is dedicated to only one woman, let us see what makes her so special!

3. No illegitimate babies, no pre-marital sex, no home-wrecking. This isn't an episode of Desperate Housewives. We don't need the unnecessary drama.

4. Give Routh more lines for goodness sake! He ought to be the focus of the movie, not Kevin Spacey and Parker Posey.

5. Have more scenes of Clark as a busy working reporter than Clark the dude who pretends to fumble with files, Clark the eavesdropper, or Clark the desktop day-dreamer.

6. Make Clark's parents (since it'll be a prequel) a bigger part of the whole story than just a laundry stop-over.

7. Restore Lex to an unsuspectable wealthy power behind Metropolis. It's the illusion of innocence that makes him a greater threat to Superman.

8. Proof read scripts at least 10x over by people who know Superman and had been following his comics for a considerable period to patch up loopholes, SR just had too many of 'em.

9. Have Singer stop pretending to be Donner, and Routh pretending to be Reeves. They have a chance to re-interpret the character for the 21st century - do it.

Good suggestions!

 

[The Kid]

I agree with all of your comments. If there were no expectations and no source material other than the Donner movies then I would say that SR was good, not great, but good. However when continuing the rich source material especially the post crisis material, then SR sucks. Sorry, thats just the way I feel and the way I saw it.

And one more thing: The new Superman movie should have been a no-brainer because WB already had the PREFECT model on how to do the movie. The model is the one put together and used by Chris Nolan for BB.

WB should have know better. Most of this is their faults.

I can't believe I'm saying this, Raybia, but I love you. :heart: Superdads is nothing really new and really I don't see any way out of the trap of the story focusing on the kid, his life, his confilct and losing superman to the background. Yes, I hate that kid incase you couldn't guess. This should have been the begins movie for superman. Not the begins movie for Jason Kent.

There's no hope left for a Superman Begins movie anymore thanks to Singer. So I'm done with him and his wacky idea to turn superman into the incredibles.

 

[superbaby]

firstly, singer isn't good in doing action. asking him to do more action is useless.
secondly, he has poor creativity and vision. interesting plot & meaningful storyline are beyond his ability.
most importantly, he doesn't understand what superman is. SR is so artificial. everything is just on the surface and has no depth & no meaning. it is neither inspiring nor entertaining.

so, i'm expecting another lame job by singer in 2009. and thanks to WB.
too bad to superman.

 

[raybia]

I can't believe I'm saying this, Raybia, but I love you. :heart:

Aww! :meow: (In a platonic way, right?)


Superdads is nothing really new and really I don't see any way out of the trap of the story focusing on the kid, his life, his confilct and losing superman to the background. Yes, I hate that kid incase you couldn't guess. This should have been the begins movie for superman. Not the begins movie for Jason Kent.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Its really funny (peculiar) that right now DC is running a story about Superman finding a kid from Krypton and with much hoopla (They brought Donner on board). I have a bad feeling that this is a precusor to the next Superman movie and a move by DC (and of course WB) to make the kid more palatable to us core Superman fans.

There's no hope left for a Superman Begins movie anymore thanks to Singer. So I'm done with him and his wacky idea to turn superman into the incredibles.

I am very very sad about the outcome of all this. Do you know how much I love the character and mythology of Batman and how much I absolutely love Batman?

Well multiply that love x 2 for the how I feel about Superman.

He was the first Superhero that I came to know as a kid and I read many of the original comics from each decade, watched the Reeves TV show, and virtually every verison on TV (live action, animation).

I was a TOTAL FANBOY WHEN IT CAME TO SUPERMAN and I loved Superman: The Movie.

However in spite of that love for the Donner movie, my loyality was always to the Character and the source material and that is where WB messed up. By getting a director who was loyal to Donner's vision instead of the vision that is contained in the 65+ years of source material.

This should have been a restart and now I have to agree, that all appears to be lost...at least for the forseeable future.

Superman deserved more that this (a mediocre movie) after all, he is the GRANDDADDY OF ALL SUPERHEROES. Its just not right. WB really let us down.

Who would have thought that Superman: TAS was the closest we as fans would ever get to a post-crisis Superman interpretation? Now I have to go out and buy the series.

 

[Octoberist]

I am very very sad about the outcome of all this. Do you know how much I love the character and mythology of Batman and how much I absolutely love Batman?

Well multiply that love x 2 for the how I feel about Superman.

He was the first Superhero that I came to know as a kid and I read many of the original comics from each decade, watched the Reeves TV show, and virtually every verison on TV (live action, animation).

I was a TOTAL FANBOY WHEN IT CAME TO SUPERMAN and I loved Superman: The Movie.

However in spite of that love for the Donner movie, my loyality was always to the Character and the source material and that is where WB messed up. By getting a director who was loyal to Donner's vision instead of the vision that is contained in the 65+ years of source material.

This should have been a restart and now I have to agree, that all appears to be lost...at least for the forseeable future.

Superman deserved more that this (a mediocre movie) after all, he is the GRANDDADDY OF ALL SUPERHEROES. Its just not right. WB really let us down.

Who would have thought that Superman: TAS was the closest we as fans would ever get to a post-crisis Superman interpretation? Now I have to go out and buy the series.

I don't now if WB screwed up. Honestly, Superman Returns created a paradox of sorts.

If you let a director have control, you'll end up having a classic like Batman Begins. If you let a studio have control, you'll have X3. Now, Superman Returns beat expectations, then it would fall into the first category. SInce it didn't, now it kinda ruined that argument, and from the looks of it, now WB is slowly trying to control Superman.

Which sucks.

I mean, why blame WB if they had faith in an established filmmaker like Singer? Everyone screws up in their career: Speilberg, David Lynch, and hell even David Fincher (Panic Room, Alien 3)

Was I a fan of Superman Returns? Not really. But I'm putting faith into Singer again. I'm fair.

On the other hand, the guy who made Ghost Rider...that's a different story..

 

[bunk]

Kill off Lois and have Richard and Clark raise Jason together.

The only question is, who's gonna be the cool dad, and who's gonna be the staight laced no nonsense dad?

 

[raybia]

I don't now if WB screwed up. Honestly, Superman Returns created a paradox of sorts.

If you let a director have control, you'll end up having a classic like Batman Begins. If you let a studio have control, you'll have X3. Now, Superman Returns beat expectations, then it would fall into the first category. SInce it didn't, now it kinda ruined that argument, and from the looks of it, now WB is slowly trying to control Superman.

I disagree to some extent. WB letting a Nolan have control of BB isn't what made it a classic and a success, it was WB choosing to give total control to a director who had the correct vision in terms of the character and respect and understanding of the source material.

I think ten minutes listening to Singer's idea was enough to say sorry but that is not the direction we want to go with the new Superman franchise.

Giving a director total control is definitely the right thing to do...especially with this genre but you have to make sure you as a studio head agree with the vision and with the methodology of that director and realize there is a legion of fans that are very knowledge about the history of the character.

Did you know that Nolan consulted DC comics before he began writing, then brought on board Goyer, an Batman and comic expert to help him, and when the script was completed, he again consulted DC comics for them to critique the script to make sure it was worthy? WHY DIDN'T SINGER DO THIS? Did he think that Donner invented Superman?

Nolan went out of his way to make sure this movie respected both the source material however at the same time not being restricted by that same material.

WB should make that a required procedure for any director doing one of their comic book properties.

Which sucks.

I mean, why blame WB if they had faith in an established filmmaker like Singer? Everyone screws up in their career: Speilberg, David Lynch, and hell even David Fincher (Panic Room, Alien 3)

Was I a fan of Superman Returns? Not really. But I'm putting faith into Singer again. I'm fair.

On the other hand, the guy who made Ghost Rider...that's a different story..

David Fincher version of Alien 3 was not realized. The studio completely altered that movie.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Suggestions to fix Supes:

1. Do a prequel, then conveniently forget that Superman Returns ever, or will happen in the future.

2. Change the Lois casting to someone who has more chemistry with Routh. Superman is dedicated to only one woman, let us see what makes her so special!

3. No illegitimate babies, no pre-marital sex, no home-wrecking. This isn't an episode of Desperate Housewives. We don't need the unnecessary drama.

4. Give Routh more lines for goodness sake! He ought to be the focus of the movie, not Kevin Spacey and Parker Posey.

5. Have more scenes of Clark as a busy working reporter than Clark the dude who pretends to fumble with files, Clark the eavesdropper, or Clark the desktop day-dreamer.

6. Make Clark's parents (since it'll be a prequel) a bigger part of the whole story than just a laundry stop-over.

7. Restore Lex to an unsuspectable wealthy power behind Metropolis. It's the illusion of innocence that makes him a greater threat to Superman.

8. Proof read scripts at least 10x over by people who know Superman and had been following his comics for a considerable period to patch up loopholes, SR just had too many of 'em.

9. Have Singer stop pretending to be Donner, and Routh pretending to be Reeves. They have a chance to re-interpret the character for the 21st century - do it.

Sounds good to me, except I would get rid of Singer, I just don't think that his style fits Superhero films.

 

[dude stannis]

As much as I loved Superman Returns, whoever rabayia stole that from is right.

 

[Binker]

This is what I wan to see in Singer's Superman II. Now I don't have anything for the villians. We know its Brainiac for one, but I have nothing to say about the villians....well let's say not yet. Its the other things I should point out. Here is what I want for Singer's SII:

- Lex Luthor should not be in the film AT ALL.

- The Return to Krypton sequence, cut from Superman Returns, should be seen as a dream sequence Clark has instead, as he is wondering if he should tell Lois the truth about him and Superman and thus be in Jason's life as he is the father.

- To continue the Lois/Richard/Jason/Superman thing: Clark must reveal to Lois that he is Superman. Now before that; I want Lois & Clark to be the best of friends and Lois more nicer to Clark and falling in love with him, after he reveals to her he is Superman. From that, Lois realizes she has to do the right thing. Which leads to the next thing: there should be a human scene at Richard & Lois' home where Lois & Clark (NOT Superman, although he should reveal that he is) reveal to Richard the truth that Jason is not his child but Superman's. At the end of this, Richard understands the whole thing and he decides to leave. Jason finds this out and....(well I got nothing but I think since his father is Superman, I doubt he would feel bad). Maybe Richard stays around as a family friend or soemthing so he is still around and this wouldn't lead to a "he might become a villian" idea.

- One thing is for sure: Jason MUST NOT DIE. Rchard....okay. But NOT Jason.

- Brainiac should appear as an AI (since that is what the computer in the Fortress was) with the evil part of it still sinking in as the film progesses. The appearence of Brainiac should be two phases. The first should be like a deformed Jor-El, with a scary human skull with machinary around it and with a digital-looking texture. And it should have the "three dots" on its head because that should be a sorta deformed machien version standing in for the "S" family chrest. The second phase should be in the third act (ot maybe the end of the second act) where he takes on a organic form using one of the aliens he comes across (during the time in space which means a ship sees New Krypton and New Krypton attacks it) and that alien would be a Coluan alien, and then appears as an alien android. I would say that the reason why New Krypton became Brainiac is because of the crystals that was dopped led to the kryptonian computer evolving into self-awareness

- And finally, the sequel should not end like X-Men 2 where it had a cliffhanging, set for a sequel, ending. The ending should be the end of the Richard/Jason/Clark-Superman/Lois thing where it's like what I'm seeing in the "Last Son" arc where its the "true" family of Clark, Lois & Jason.

That's it. I also have two seperate ideas for Sibger's SIII. But I'll wait before putting that up.

 

[<(o_o)>]

Maybe Superman & Lois could have Jason a little sister in the next movie.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

what if they find that the Human Krytonian DNA is unstable and so they need to use the red sun chamber to save Jason by makeing him human. this would make so good drama for lois and superman as they would need to get the crystals back from New Krypton and lois would have to tell richard about jason.

this would be the reason that he would have to be a human to be with lois.