Billy Zane would make a fantastic Lex.
I’m excited to see who they cast and how they’ll write the character.
You know,
Thinking of a Superman show as an actual possibility makes me really hate their take on Jimmy Olsen
I didn’t mind him as he was in supergirl but I’d want something much more classic for an actual Superman show.
Billy Zane would make a fantastic Lex.
I’m excited to see who they cast and how they’ll write the character.
You know,
Thinking of a Superman show as an actual possibility makes me really hate their take on Jimmy Olsen
I didn’t mind him as he was in supergirl but I’d want something much more classic for an actual Superman show.
Jimmy just needs a younger brother also named Jimmy.
But they can always have a multi-verse Jimmy from another earth who is more classic. And they could have a Spider-Man clone saga twist by revealing that Mechad Brooks Jimmy is not actually the Jimmy from Earth 38 but he was from another earth and left here as a child. It would cause him to question his whole life and whether he can even really call himself Jimmy.
I love the Zimmer theme, but nothing beats the classic Williams Superman theme, it's epic and just says " Superman !" best superhero theme music ever. Hope they use at least part of it if a CW series goes ahead.
They already have a great theme music for Superman:
It's more epic, soaring and inspiring than the Zimmer theme. Even when it starts off quietly and slowly, it's already more heroic than the Zimmer theme that starts on the piano. Then when it builds to a crescendo, it evokes the Williams theme without it being the same thing.
Henry who? I joke - I loved him in MOS there are moments when he reminded me of the 40s cartoons, he just had the look. But this is the brighter Superman we need on screen. Part of me is tempted to put 'SUPERMAN ON THE CW' on the bottom it's that perfect.
I loved Smallville I'd be happy to gave a mini series at least.
A similar age to Superman? Or older? The one in the animated series didn't seem so young but older than Superman.
If they didn't mind going a bit older, they could cast someone like Billy Zane. He sounds a bit like Clancy Brown and could give off a similar vibe. Imagine him playing a similar role to what he played in Titanic. Plus he's bald these days, which would save on shaving his head like Rosenbaum had to do.
But the only problem is that didn't Zane already play PT Barnum in Legends of Tomorrow? Although he was a bit more made up for that part so didn't look like he does above.
Everybody wants Zane to be Luthor! The most speculated guy and there's even a few photoshops out there, he certainly looks the part. If he's older getting Clancy Brown to play him in live action would be tres fun. Someone suggested Tom Welling, if so they should do an episode with Superman, The Atom and Jeremiah to have a four-way Supes off.
They already have a great theme music for Superman:
It's more epic, soaring and inspiring than the Zimmer theme. Even when it starts off quietly and slowly, it's already more heroic than the Zimmer theme that starts on the piano. Then when it builds to a crescendo, it evokes the Williams theme without it being the same thing.
Everybody wants Zane to be Luthor! The most speculated guy and there's even a few photoshops out there, he certainly looks the part. If he's older getting Clancy Brown to play him in live action would be tres fun.
Well they can't get Clancy Brown. First off, he's already been in Supergirl. And second, he would be older than Brenda Strong and looks it. He looks more like Lillian Luthor's father than her son.
Even Zane is pushing it, given that he's only 6 years younger. But at least he looks younger than Brown.
I don't think they'll go with Zane though. They're likely to get a younger actor to look genuinely like Lillian's son and Lena's brother.
Well they can't get Clancy Brown. First off, he's already been in Supergirl. And second, he would be older than Brenda Strong and looks it. He looks more like Lillian Luthor's father than her son.
Maybe in season 1? Unless he was in the Flash. One of the shows in the Arrowverse anyway. He looks older than Brenda Strong. He could've played her father. Or Lionel Luthor.
If we could've gotten Titanic Zane, then there would be absolutely no issue at all with casting him, because he'd be young enough. Now I have to wonder if they would even consider him, given that he's so close in age to Brenda Strong. But she certainly looks good for her age. And some children end up looking older than their parents.
They already have a great theme music for Superman:
It's more epic, soaring and inspiring than the Zimmer theme. Even when it starts off quietly and slowly, it's already more heroic than the Zimmer theme that starts on the piano. Then when it builds to a crescendo, it evokes the Williams theme without it being the same thing.
It's clearly inspired by Williams' theme which is good. Can't beat the original though!
And I’m still salty they didn’t hire Cranston for Lex in BVS. What a mistake. Literally everyone was telling Snyder to cast Cranston and he thought he knew better. LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!!!
It's clearly inspired by Williams' theme which is good. Can't beat the original though!
And I’m still salty they didn’t hire Cranston for Lex in BVS. What a mistake. Literally everyone was telling Snyder to cast Cranston and he thought he knew better. LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!!!
"They're thinking, 'Who could play Lex Luthor?' Who is bald and can be menacing? Oh! Walter White! We can get that guy,'" he laughed. "But it's not very inspiring casting."
He's right though, fans usually fancast a bald actor to play Luthor. Same with Batgirl/Barbara and red head actresses. Seems like people forget that they can shave their head or dye their hair red. I mean they're actors after all.
They already have a great theme music for Superman:
It's more epic, soaring and inspiring than the Zimmer theme. Even when it starts off quietly and slowly, it's already more heroic than the Zimmer theme that starts on the piano. Then when it builds to a crescendo, it evokes the Williams theme without it being the same thing.
The thing about Williams' theme is that its perfect, I don't believe a better theme can be writren for Superman - there are people who hear it and associate it with Superman, who have never seen the Donner films, and that's 40 years on. Will anyone remember the CW Superman theme in 5 or 10 years ? Even the mediocre Justice League film used it a couple of times. Superman deserves a theme that people will remember IMO, why not stick with the best ?
Why not do what Singer did in SR ( possibly the only thing he got right) and build on it ?
The CW Superman theme can become iconic if played enough each week. It doesn't have to be as iconic as the Williams theme. It can simply be its own thing. Lois and Clark had their own theme music. The CW Superman theme sounds more inspiring than that, but hasn't been heard enough. The problem also is that there aren't any proper opening credits these days where it can actually play and be heard every week.
It's clearly inspired by Williams' theme which is good. Can't beat the original though!
And I’m still salty they didn’t hire Cranston for Lex in BVS. What a mistake. Literally everyone was telling Snyder to cast Cranston and he thought he knew better. LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!!!
Apparently he doesn’t want to play Gordon. He did voice him, which was great.
He’s gone on record saying the character he wants to play is Mr. Sinister. Marvel would be fools to not hire him. Make that dude the villain of the first MCU X-Men movie
The thing about Williams' theme is that its perfect, I don't believe a better theme can be writren for Superman - there are people who hear it and associate it with Superman, who have never seen the Donner films, and that's 40 years on. Will anyone remember the CW Superman theme in 5 or 10 years ? Even the mediocre Justice League film used it a couple of times. Superman deserves a theme that people will remember IMO, why not stick with the best ?
Why not do what Singer did in SR ( possibly the only thing he got right) and build on it ?
The best and happy medium for me, would be to use the Williams Theme as the opening credits or closing credits and perhaps if used as the opening titles, then incorporate it once or twice in the movie/show, but be subtle - i feel JL has paved the way for that. I agree, it's just too good and too iconic to not leave it out, esp for the GA, us fan boys, we are a small minority and if a kid today hums it because of what he saw on the CW show or a reboot, why not?
I feel Bond is the same and actually did it really well - let's use Casino Royal, it didn't use the theme all movie until the end credits - did it spoil the movie, not at all and the song on the opening credits 'you know my name' is iconically linked to that movie, everyone says how good it is. So they wanted to distance themselves from previous bond movies, which maybe have used/rinsed the theme tune to death and they made it fresh.
I agree to this, but would stretch it to a sound track, MOS had a great sound track which superman deserves. DNA, look to the stars, flight, are my personal favourites however, there is room for the William's score.
here is an example... however, not to the detriment of the Zimmer's excellent score.
The CW Superman theme can become iconic if played enough each week. It doesn't have to be as iconic as the Williams theme. It can simply be its own thing. Lois and Clark had their own theme music. The CW Superman theme sounds more inspiring than that, but hasn't been heard enough. The problem also is that there aren't any proper opening credits these days where it can actually play and be heard every week.
I guess that’d be fine. I just don’t think it really needs to be included. I’m know I’m in the minority, but the Williams theme, to me, is more so a representation of Reeve’s Superman than the character in general. Zimmer’s theme, on the other hand, is one that manages to capture the essence of the character without being too specific to the any particular version (IMO of course). But even I wouldn’t want it to be a part of every soundtrack.
I’m a huge proponent of different interpretations carving out their own place and standing on their own two feet, and that extends to the music as well.
I guess that’d be fine. I just don’t think it really needs to be included. I’m know I’m in the minority, but the Williams theme, to me, is more so a representation of Reeve’s Superman than the character in general. Zimmer’s theme, on the other hand, is one that manages to capture the essence of the character without being too specific to the any particular version (IMO of course). But even I wouldn’t want it to be a part of every soundtrack.
I’m a huge proponent of different interpretations carving out their own place and standing on their own two feet, and that extends to the music as well.
I see it as the reverse. Williams theme is more of a traditional Superman theme that embodies the character, while Zimmer's theme(assuming you're referring to Flight from the MoS score) is something that is more specific to Snyder's take on the character, something that's meant to be nontraditional and gritty and a total subversion of what you'd expect from a Superman theme. It's alright, but I'm not a huge fan of it. And in both Zimmer's Batman and Superman scores, the parts that I thought was meant to be the theme was abandoned in the sequels. I feel like his superhero scores try too hard to be different and subversive, and he's always on about the character earning their theme, then you never hear it again in the sequels.
Honestly, I see it as the reverse. Williams theme is more of a traditional Superman theme that embodies the character, while Zimmer's theme(assuming you're referring to Flight from the MoS score) is something that is more specific to Snyder's take on the character, something that's meant to be nontraditional and gritty and a total subversion of what you'd expect from a Superman theme. It's alright, but I'm not a huge fan of it.
Yeah, and as I said before, there always seems to be a certain track in the first movie of the series that really sounds like what you'd think is the hero's fanfare, and then it's never heard again in the sequels. In Begins' case, it's the part of Molossus that begins just as he says "Hold on!" during the tumbler chase, then is heard again when he launches his grappler at the monorail and is pulled out of the mob of fear toxin victims. It even gets reprised at the end of the end credits. The way the movie tends to highlight it, you'd think it was meant to be THE Batman theme, but it's literally never used again in either The Dark Knight or Rises. Zimmer reused a lot of tracks from Begins in those movies, but every time he does a reprise of Molossus, he skips over it and the whole thing sounds like a build-up to something that never happens. It's maddening.
Yeah, and as I said before, there always seems to be a certain track in the first movie of the series that really sounds like what you'd think is the hero's fanfare, and then it's never heard again in the sequels. In Begins' case, it's the part of Molossus that begins just as he says "Hold on!" during the tumbler chase, then is heard again when he launches his grappler at the monorail and is pulled out of the mob of fear toxin victims. It even gets reprised at the end of the end credits. The way the movie tends to highlight it, you'd think it was meant to be THE Batman theme, but it's literally never used again in either The Dark Knight or Rises. Zimmer reused a lot of tracks from Begins in those movies, but every time he does a reprise of Molossus, he skips over it and the whole thing sounds like a build-up to something that never happens. It's maddening.
It would be like the beginning of the Superman march stopping before it hits that main melody on the trumpet which sounds out the Superman syllables. I'm referring to the bit starting at 0.25 here in this video:
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