Superman TV Series Starring Tyler Hoechlin?

[Lead Cenobite]

It would be like the beginning of the Superman march stopping before it hits that main melody on the trumpet which sounds out the Superman syllables. I'm referring to the bit starting at 0.25 here in this video:

Exactly. I always thought it was ironic that Zimmer kept saying that Batman would have to earn his theme, but there really wasn't any new Batman theme in the sequels, just new arrangements of old themes which omit the fanfare portion of Molossus. Same goes for Man of Steel. Zimmer says Superman must earn his theme, then we hear a very heroic-sounding theme in the end credits, and said theme is never used in Batman v Superman.

 

[Boy Scout]

I see it as the reverse. Williams theme is more of a traditional Superman theme that embodies the character, while Zimmer's theme(assuming you're referring to Flight from the MoS score) is something that is more specific to Snyder's take on the character, something that's meant to be nontraditional and gritty and a total subversion of what you'd expect from a Superman theme. It's alright, but I'm not a huge fan of it. And in both Zimmer's Batman and Superman scores, the parts that I thought was meant to be the theme was abandoned in the sequels. I feel like his superhero scores try too hard to be different and subversive, and he's always on about the character earning their theme, then you never hear it again in the sequels.

1) Like I said, I know I’m in the minority. If you feel differently than me, that’s fine.

2) I’m referring to “What Are You Going to Do When You Aren’t Saving the World.” I don’t find it anything but inspirational and a perfect encapsulation of who Superman is and how he makes me feel. I’m actually a little resentful that such a great theme was wasted on such a lackluster version of Superman. The March is fine, I do genuinely like it, but it feels a bit one note to me.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I prefer Williams' and Elfman's Superman and Batman themes over Zimmer's

 

[Dark Raven]

Exactly. I always thought it was ironic that Zimmer kept saying that Batman would have to earn his theme, but there really wasn't any new Batman theme in the sequels, just new arrangements of old themes which omit the fanfare portion of Molossus. Same goes for Man of Steel. Zimmer says Superman must earn his theme, then we hear a very heroic-sounding theme in the end credits, and said theme is never used in Batman v Superman.

I'm sick of characters having to earn something, whether it's a theme or a costume or a name. In Superman the movie we had the iconic Williams theme right at the beginning and Kal-El wasn't even born yet. But when he finally became Superman an hour into the film it didn't feel unearned.

The film would've been much less without the theme at the beginning.

We waited 2 seasons for Iron Fist to earn his costume. Apparently after 2 seasons he still hadn't earned it. Then the series was cancelled.

 

[Batmannerism]

I prefer Williams' and Elfman's Superman and Batman themes over Zimmer's

I love Zimmer, but IMO nothing says "Superman" the way Williams' theme does.

 

[Batmannerism]

1) Like I said, I know I’m in the minority. If you feel differently than me, that’s fine.

2) I’m referring to “What Are You Going to Do When You Aren’t Saving the World.” I don’t find it anything but inspirational and a perfect encapsulation of who Superman is and how he makes me feel. I’m actually a little resentful that such a great theme was wasted on such a lackluster version of Superman. The March is fine, I do genuinely like it, but it feels a bit one note to me.

I was also very disappointed that Zimmer's MOS theme was largely abandoned in B v S and totally abandoned in JL. I thought it a very worthy theme for that interpretation of the character, who was a little different from what audiences were used to.

But Hoechlin's Superman is far more traditional and hence i feel he needs a theme based on the most iconic Superman music to date.

 

[Boy Scout]

But Hoechlin's Superman is far more traditional and hence i feel he needs a theme based on the most iconic Superman music to date.

I wouldn’t care if it took inspiration from it as long as it was new. Again, I’m a firm believer that each and every separate interpretation of the character deserves his own theme. It seems like a wasted opportunity to limit yourself to just one, especially as much as people around here complain about repetitive, lackluster scores.

 

[BH/HHH]

Whether it’s a Supergirl spin off with Tyler Hoechlin or a fresh show with a new cast I believe Superman will return to TV regularly at some point in the near future. Personally I’d take a great TV show over a great film any day.

 

[danlav05]

Whether it’s a Supergirl spin off with Tyler Hoechlin or a fresh show with a new cast I believe Superman will return to TV regularly at some point in the near future. Personally I’d take a great TV show over a great film any day.

Superman has arguably been more of a mainstay on TV than film over the past 60+ years, there was the George Reeves show, Superboy 30 years later, then Lois & Clark, Smallville now Supergirl. That doesn't count all the animations.

Metropolis is still in development but I'd like more Hoechlin Superman, even if it is a mini (although that would be like a movie which might annoy Warner Bros Pictures)

 

[BH/HHH]

Superman has arguably been more of a mainstay on TV than film over the past 60+ years, there was the George Reeves show, Superboy 30 years later, then Lois & Clark, Smallville now Supergirl. That doesn't count all the animations.

Metropolis is still in development but I'd like more Hoechlin Superman, even if it is a mini (although that would be like a movie which might annoy Warner Bros Pictures)

Metropolis is supposedly been retooled aswell so it may be retooled as a Superman show.

I’d love more Hoechlin Supes, I can’t wait to see him in Elseworlds.

 

[THE WOLF]

Nah, that ain’t it

 

[danlav05]

Metropolis is supposedly been retooled aswell so it may be retooled as a Superman show.

I’d love more Hoechlin Supes, I can’t wait to see him in Elseworlds.

He's been established and popular, it would be foolish to start over

 

[Vaibow]

I wouldn’t care if it took inspiration from it as long as it was new. Again, I’m a firm believer that each and every separate interpretation of the character deserves his own theme. It seems like a wasted opportunity to limit yourself to just one, especially as much as people around here complain about repetitive, lackluster scores.

You must hate the bond scores then...

Whether it’s a Supergirl spin off with Tyler Hoechlin or a fresh show with a new cast I believe Superman will return to TV regularly at some point in the near future. Personally I’d take a great TV show over a great film any day.

I agree, it's so family friendly to boot.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Superman has arguably been more of a mainstay on TV than film over the past 60+ years, there was the George Reeves show, Superboy 30 years later, then Lois & Clark, Smallville now Supergirl. That doesn't count all the animations.

Metropolis is still in development but I'd like more Hoechlin Superman, even if it is a mini (although that would be like a movie which might annoy Warner Bros Pictures)

I came to that realization (Superman being more successful on TV) recently too. It’s pretty much undeniable. After the failure of Cavill’s Superman it really is time.

I’m just wondering where they should put the show. Should it be on a major network? CW? DC Universe? They’ve got options.

 

[Boy Scout]

You must hate the bond scores then...

I don’t consider that the same. The very nature of Superman’s source material opens up opportunities for incredibly dissimilar interpretations of his character. So you can justify using different music each time even if it’s technically the same character.

Bond has become a purely cinematic character at this point (unlike Superman, who regularly appears on television in some form) and his cinematic identitiy was crafted alongside that theme. Its presence is more integral than any one theme for Superman (even the most popular one).

 

[Vaibow]

I don’t consider that the same. The very nature of Superman’s source material opens up opportunities for incredibly dissimilar interpretations of his character. So you can justify using different music each time even if it’s technically the same character.

Bond has become a purely cinematic character at this point (unlike Superman, who regularly appears on television in some form) and his cinematic identitiy was crafted alongside that theme. Its presence is more integral than any one theme for Superman (even the most popular one).

In other words, because other themes existed before the Williams theme, it's not exclusive to that - gotcha.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I think the Williams theme is versatile enough to work for different interpretations of Superman. While the theme isn't the only Superman theme in the same way the Bond theme is the only Bond theme(since the EON version has a monopoly on adaptations of the Ian Fleming character), the Bond series proves that the theme doesn't have to be dropped because Bond is written and acted very differently from what came before. Daniel Craig and Roger Moore are night and day, yet they both use the same theme.

And you'll notice that although they use the same Bond theme, it's performed differently for different Bond actors, representing the differences in characterization and the changing styles and tastes of each decade. I think a similar treatment is possible for the Williams Superman theme. Keep the same basic melody but performed differently to suit the tone of whatever movie or show it's being used in.

 

[_Superman_]

Personally as I said in the JL thread I think if they do reboot Superman they should do it through his own TV Show and put it on their DC network like they did Titans. I personally think they should move all their heroes there including Wonder Woman and Batman and Flash (not CW one but the one they would use for the movies) and just do 10-12 episode arcs with them and then just bring that cast together every couple of years for JL movies you could release in the theater. It could give you more time to do well rounded stories and arcs and still give that JL team up as well. But above all things I say keep him away from the CW if you do bring him back to TV.

 

[Dr.]

Obviously, Williams’ theme is classic.

But because it is so famous and iconic as an “anthem” for rousing heroism, I sometimes feel that its use in other Superman iterations (say, the finale of Smallville) amounts to a lazy shortcut. I.e, these filmmakers don’t really have to create their own emotional connection through original music; instead, they just plug in the Williams theme and let nostalgic associations do most of the heavy lifting. To me, this feels a tad manipulative - as if relying on an automatic, Pavlovian response.

John Williams’ music was designed for a specific interpretation of Superman. Indeed, it was written for a specific movie. (STM was the one-and-only Supes film Williams ever scored.) As far as I’m concerned, each new interpretation of Superman deserves new music.

 

[BH/HHH]

He's been established and popular, it would be foolish to start over

Not if it’s on the streaming service it wouldn’t. If they made a Superman show on the CW then 100% it’d be Tyler Hoechlin but a new show with a fresh start on the streaming service would require a new actor.

Personally as I said in the JL thread I think if they do reboot Superman they should do it through his own TV Show and put it on their DC network like they did Titans. I personally think they should move all their heroes there including Wonder Woman and Batman and Flash (not CW one but the one they would use for the movies) and just do 10-12 episode arcs with them and then just bring that cast together every couple of years for JL movies you could release in the theater. It could give you more time to do well rounded stories and arcs and still give that JL team up as well. But above all things I say keep him away from the CW if you do bring him back to TV.

I think the streaming service is the best option tbh. Any Superman show would work better with a fresh start with no ties to anything else.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Obviously, Williams’ theme is classic.

But because it is so famous and iconic as an “anthem” for rousing heroism, I sometimes feel that its use in other Superman iterations (say, the finale of Smallville) amounts to a lazy shortcut. I.e, these filmmakers don’t really have to create their own emotional connection through original music; instead, they just plug in the Williams theme and let nostalgic associations do most of the heavy lifting. To me, this feels a tad manipulative - as if relying on an automatic, Pavlovian response.

Excellent point

 

[Deck Rickard]

1) Like I said, I know I’m in the minority. If you feel differently than me, that’s fine.

2) I’m referring to “What Are You Going to Do When You Aren’t Saving the World.” I don’t find it anything but inspirational and a perfect encapsulation of who Superman is and how he makes me feel. I’m actually a little resentful that such a great theme was wasted on such a lackluster version of Superman. The March is fine, I do genuinely like it, but it feels a bit one note to me.

Yeah, I get what you mean. I probably like MOS more than you do but the film is deeply flawed and I wish that the film that used Zimmer's amazing theme had been better, because I LOVE that theme. It's a shame it wasn't used again (I think the opening piano part was use in BvS, but not the big, inspirational part), but then, BvS and JL were so lousy that part of me is glad that Zimmer's theme wasn't used there.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, I get what you mean. I probably like MOS more than you do but the film is deeply flawed and I wish that the film that used Zimmer's amazing theme had been better, because I LOVE that theme. It's a shame it wasn't used again (I think the opening piano part was use in BvS, but not the big, inspirational part), but then, BvS and JL were so lousy that part of me is glad that Zimmer's theme wasn't used there.

But how do you know that if they didn't use that theme in BvS or JL that it could've actually added to it? Like when Superman died in BvS. In the aftermath, or at his funeral, they could've played that piano melody. Or when he was coming back to life in JL. Or when he was fully Superman at the end or racing the Flash. They could've played the more inspirational parts. Surely that would've had impact.

But maybe they should've just played the Zimmer Batman theme for Superman since they were trying to make him more like the Bat.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

They already have a great theme music for Superman:



It's more epic, soaring and inspiring than the Zimmer theme. Even when it starts off quietly and slowly, it's already more heroic than the Zimmer theme that starts on the piano. Then when it builds to a crescendo, it evokes the Williams theme without it being the same thing.

I’m not sure what it is about this theme but I just can’t get into it at all

 

[Vaibow]

Obviously, Williams’ theme is classic.

But because it is so famous and iconic as an “anthem” for rousing heroism, I sometimes feel that its use in other Superman iterations (say, the finale of Smallville) amounts to a lazy shortcut. I.e, these filmmakers don’t really have to create their own emotional connection through original music; instead, they just plug in the Williams theme and let nostalgic associations do most of the heavy lifting. To me, this feels a tad manipulative - as if relying on an automatic, Pavlovian response.

John Williams’ music was designed for a specific interpretation of Superman. Indeed, it was written for a specific movie. (STM was the one-and-only Supes film Williams ever scored.) As far as I’m concerned, each new interpretation of Superman deserves new music.

The Casino Royale route of how they used the Bond theme is in line with how i would like it to be incorporated - either at the end for credits, or indeed opening credits with a montage. Casino royale had its own distinct sound, then at the end, as he said 'the name's bond, james bond' with the theme following was great.