The Amazing Spider-Man TDK is the REAL reason for the reboot

[TheSlag]

....the symbiote never turned him evil man

#7 did NOT say evil. It said symbiote induced. Which implies Darkness taking over, feeding off Peter's emotions.

 

[TheSlag]

Wait. The real reason for the remake is TDK? So it isn't that Spider-man 3 critically sucked and that it seemed that Raimi might deliver another one just like it?

Nawwww.. Haven't you heard.. TDK caused it all.. including Global Warming.

"YOU COULDN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!" *rereads the post.. well, maybe you could LOL

 

[Frodo]

Once again, I can't speak for everyone else, but the reboot idea itself isn't the problem and never was, nor is it the basis of this thread. The issue is the fact that they stated they wanted a Spiderman with a dark, gritty tone, the absolute last words in the world anybody would associate with Spiderman

Well clearly their are those who have reboot period . It may not be a problem for you but clearly there are those have a problem . Clearly you're not one of them . i was agree with someone elses funny point that some seemed to use TDK as a scapegoat because the francise isn't going the way they wanted.

Now for the basis of this thread , the term dark is pretty subjective.I would say there were some dark moments in each of the Spiderman films. For all we know , Dark and gritty can mean serious and realistic from the filmmakers standpoint . It can mean dealing with serious real issues which the comics have at times i.e Harry's drug use. So in terms of what they mean by gritty and dark , I'd have to have a better idea of the script or see the finnished film.

 

[Gilpesh]

critically sucking and financially sucking are two different things, and judging by twilight, transformers, and the other crap being pumped out these days, do you really think they're concerned with that?

You know. I would put SM3 in the area of Twilight, Transformers, and assorted crap.

SM3 is quite possibly the most successful film to ever have a reboot, and it's the biggest of the whole trilogy in worldwide revenue,

And everyone talked about how it sucked. So, everyone would think twice about seeing a fourth film.... especially one where Raimi continued on with what he was doing.

if they didn't think edgy and dark was what the public would pay to see now, trust me, Spiderman 4 would have went right along without Raimi, Dunst, Maguire or any other principal member of the cast

Oh my god... you're a Sony insider?

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

#7 did NOT say evil. It said symbiote induced. Which implies Darkness taking over, feeding off Peter's emotions.

It never did that...It just wanted petey as a host

 

[Doc Samson]

Then you have not read those comic arcs. Plain and simple. Because there was grittiness and darkness in many, if not all of those storylines. Peter was DEFINITELY Brooding in the Stacy comic arcs listed above.

But you go back to enjoy your dancing/Clumsy/Clutsy Peter Parker/Spider-Man. Me, I will GLADLY wait for the Reboot to see the real Spider-Man story unfold.

And yes, Raimi covered a few of those bases, watered down though they were.

What was watered down about Uncle Ben dying? Or Harry, or Norman? Or almost losing his girl, or hitting his girl, or his aunt not being able to afford her home, or blaming himself for his uncle's death? I mean, what else do you want out of it? How do you make that better by making it more dark, and how the hell do you make it more dark or grown up in the first place.

 

[TheSlag]

It never did that...It just wanted petey as a host

So why did you bring up the "evil" out of the blue comment, especially quoting my post that DID NOT say that? O'confusing one.

 

[Crook]

Once again, your equating tragedy to gritty or dark tone, which isn't the case.

Correct. But in the case of the stories he listed, the tone was very much dark and had semblance of grit. Did they not?

Half of those things have been done in Raimi's films already anyway, and I don't think they were anywhere close to gritty films.

That would be where 'tone' that Raimi went for, comes in. Even rape and murder can be made light of.

 

[El Payaso]

critically sucking and financially sucking are two different things, and judging by twilight, transformers, and the other crap being pumped out these days, do you really think they're concerned with that? SM3 is quite possibly the most successful film to ever have a reboot, and it's the biggest of the whole trilogy in worldwide revenue, if they didn't think edgy and dark was what the public would pay to see now, trust me, Spiderman 4 would have went right along without Raimi, Dunst, Maguire or any other principal member of the cast

I'd dare to say that even when they care more about money than critics, executives might have thought that SM3 did such big numbers merely because of the previous movies' success but given such a bad comments from both critics and fans, they might be facing a big downer with a fourth movie so they decided to jump directly to the reboot skipping their "Batman & Robin."

 

[Construct]

About a "gritty" tone, I actually thought (with a host of fans) that a Lizard/Kraven storyline for SM4 would work in that right, especially if it would've ended with the cemetery battle that has made "Kraven's Last Hunt" so infamous. If it would've worked as intended, it would've opened up possibilities for at least 2 more movies in the same continuity, the Venom spinoff, and restored confidence in the series. But that wasn't and isn't the case.

Now when I hear of "gritty", "TDK as an influence", and "reboot" in the equation for the next movie, I think "crime drama". If there won't be any immediate re-depictions of villains and Christopher Nolan's Batman series is an inspiration, then I think that Spider-Man's gang-related villains would be involved in the reboot (Tombstone, Hammerhead, Kingpin?). I actually thought that they would be good villains for the Venom spinoff, but they would be an appropriate addition to a newer, "grittier" Spider-Man series. They could involve Captain Stacy more in the plot, which (in)directly gives Gwen some priority in the movie. If the SSM show is any influence, then more superpowered villains can still be involved, so it can work.

Though, I still can't help but think what could be .

 

[batman11]

I never said they did, re-read the statement that you quoted, but it was used by people who've seen the script. I also ask you to explain to me exactly what is "gritty" or "dark" about Spiderman, in any capacity? Those words have been used by a representative of Sony

Errrr...I never said you said they did. Perhaps you should re-read the statement you quoted.

I was asking if someone from Sony used TDK to describe the reboot. You say no. You say that someone who saw the script used TDK to describe the film. I was merely questioning if your panic was coming from an actual quote from a person who works for the studio and not just from an anonymous source (at least to my knowledge) who claims to have read the scripts. Thank you for providing me with the adequate information to answer my question.

As for why exactly you feel the need to personally spring the "dark" and "gritty" question upon me, I have no idea. I'm not a Sony exec. Sure, I could perhaps come up with some applications of Spidey's classic tales into a "gritty" world, but I have no idea what Sony is actually planning. However, if you go back a page or two and read the definition of "gritty" that Crook posted, I would think that should clear up how said word fits the story of Spider-Man.

 

[TheSlag]

Correct. But in the case of the stories he listed, the tone was very much dark and had semblance of grit. Did they not?


That would be where 'tone' that Raimi went for, comes in. Even rape and murder can be made light of.

He will never admit it.

And Samson, what else is darkness to come from if not tragedy? Does Joy bring Darkness? Of course not.

 

[DAFOE!]

If The Green Goblin sports a chelsea grin in the reboot, then we'll all know this was indeed the case.

 

[TheSlag]

If The Green Goblin sports a chelsea grin in the reboot, then we'll all know this was indeed the case.

LOL t:

Edit - but seriously you do know the Green Goblin from the comics does have that type of manical grin. At least classic GG does, I have not read the recent story arcs.

 

[Doc Samson]

He will never admit it.

And Samson, what else is darkness to come from if not tragedy? Does Joy bring Darkness? Of course not.

The issue here is that we're getting caught up in the semantics, and not the ideals. From my standpoint, when I hear gritty, dark, more contemporary direction, I'm confused, because these aren't things I associate with Spiderman, personally. You guys may see it different, this is the point of a message board, to get different views on subjects, and in my view, alot of this is coming as a direct result of Spiderman's only true competition, the Batman franchise.

Before Batman Begins, Spiderman was the franchise for which all others were to be judged. It was the crown jewel. Since that time, Nolan's constructed brilliant, albeit, different films and is now considered that crowning achievement. In any business, whatever works for the goose is good for the gander, and IMO, any type of different approach, so soon on the heels of a wildly successful franchise, smells of the attempt by a studio to capitalize on the perceived notion that the movie audience is now strictly concerned with darker, edgier superheroes. DC themselves had Superman positioned for the same type of remake, and I question it.

Likewise, Batman Returns, for it's time, was nothing the paying public was concerned with seeing, it was too dark and the kids were scared and confused, for the most part. This is the exact reason we got a Batman & Robin in the first place, and when Wizard magazine first reported how different the approach was going to be, even in comparison to Batman Forever, nobody seemed to care then either. Then you get a bright light here, a nipple there, next thing you know nobody knew what the f**k happened.

I'll never associate or recognize Spiderman as a character who's perpetually guilt-ridden, downtrodden, morose, brooding, or anything of that nature. That's just me, and that's just my opinion

 

[Mace Dolex]

Batman and Batman Returns were dark and gritty because it's what the fans wanted but along came Batman Forever and Batman & Robin upped the lameness factor because that's what studios wanted after parental group complaints.

What's to say the same thing won't happen to Spider-Man? everbody knows that Spider-Man isn't dark and gritty.

Sony wanting to emulate TDK's approach just won't work because it was more of a crime drama that just so happened to star Batman.

 

[Doc Samson]

Batman and Batman Returns were dark and gritty because it's what the fans wanted but along came Batman Forever and Batman & Robin upped the lameness factor because that's what studios wanted after parental group complaints.

Batman Returns in particular underperformed though, especially from a toy and merchandise standpoint, something the first film accomplished in spades. Whatever the case, the studio was more concerned with what they thought would fill the seats, and it was a mistake.

What's to say the same thing won't happen to Spider-Man? everbody knows that Spider-Man isn't dark and gritty.

Apparently not everyone, just look at some of these posts

 

[Gotham22]

Batman is a dark/tragic character so it works better for him to be dark and serious.

Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four, Superman are light but seriousness as well. But not dark.

 

[kguillou]

You know, just to play devil's advocate for a second, even though i do not think "dark and gritty" are synonymous with spider-man, i've gotta say it seems like Spidey's at his best when he is in "dark and gritty" situations. I've always felt like when Spidey's back is against the wall and everything is against him, thats when the character truly shines. Like during the "back in black" storyline in the comics where aunt may was shot and pete's identity was exposed to the world. When everything was against him, we saw how badass Spiderman truly was when he nearly destroyed the Kingpin. I'm just saying, maybe a little darkness and grit will do the character good.

 

[Doctor Who]

Funny, I have yet to see a comic book film being affected by TDK. And if this were true, SM4 would've never been given the go-ahead.

Things fell through between Raimi and Sony. Period. Let's hop off Batman's nuts.

I concur with that as well. After Spidey 3 things were already shot and Raimi was probably gonna move onto other things as well. I seriously don't know how some people can relate this all to TDK; I mean, it was amazing and had loads of Oscar potential. It had a huge impact on the medium, yes, but these situations are completely diverse and have nothing in common. Crook's right.

 

[Doc Samson]

I'm in no way saying these guys are any kind of authority on anything in terms of comic book films, but I found it ironic that I came across this a few seconds ago and it echoes what I'm saying perfectly
(I was just looking for some Mass Effect 2 news)


http://comics.ign.com/articles/106/1060526p1.html

Especially the "find the emotional core" portion, it says exactly what I've been trying to say for the past 4 pages, and evidently, other people have the same concerns I do

 

[Infinity9999x]

Where there any actual comments that they wanted to make the Spidey reboot darker?

Because the only quote I noticed was that they're going to put Pete in highschool...which, to me, seems to indicate they're going to keep it lighter not darker.

 

[Doc Samson]

Where there any actual comments that they wanted to make the Spidey reboot darker?

Because the only quote I noticed was that they're going to put Pete in highschool...which, to me, seems to indicate they're going to keep it lighter not darker.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot/

 

[Boom]

"Gritty" and "contemporary" do not translate to "dark."

 

[Doc Samson]

"Gritty" and "contemporary" do not translate to "dark."

What's it translate to?

Either way, I'm retiring for the night, fighting this fight is exhausting, but hey, let's all sit back and just wait. If it works, we're all the lucky ones. If it doesn't...well...