Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid pissing Muslims off

And I gave you verses from "MY" holy book.

So??

In my opinion the verses from your holy book do not support that the G-d of the Muslims is different than the G-d of the Christian.

Your contention is that since Christians see Jesus and G-d as the same, this is proof to your claim.

However, did you know that not all Christians are not united in this belief?

Hardly proof of what you are claiming.

As I said two different perceptions of G-d
but Muslim are taught by G-d that we have the same G-d.
 
How are you gonna tell me what my motive is??????? I could consider you equally as closed-minded to my explanation.

Jesus is God in the Christian faith. Period. He is God's son. He is equal to God the Father. In Islam it is "shirk" to equate anyone with God.


This is incorrect. You do not have an understanding of the word "shirk".

Its not shirk for a non-Muslim to equate others with G-d but it is "shirk" for Muslims to do so.
 
So,,,, what number would make you feel better? 3 mil?? Two???
A couple grand?? :dry:

And how do you know that there would be none left????

What number? Depends on the extent of the research. Some accounts say 3 million, some say less than 3 and some say more.

What would make me feel better? I would feel better if no one had died as a result of the Nazi regime. However you misjudge as this has nothing whatsoever about my feeling.

I only want the complete truth of the matter to come out and be revealed and taught to all people so that all life; Jewish and non-Jewish life will be valued and the world will work together to prevent atrocities like the Holocaust from being repeated.

However we know it has been repeated as in the example of the thousands of Bosnians murdered, many being Muslims.
 
Mine is supported by my Holy Book. Your contention that our G-d's are not the same in supported by your flawed logic. I say flawed because under your logic, Jews and Christians have different G-ds as well.

If you look at my previous post, I explained that though we have different perceptions or an understanding of G-d doesn't mean we have a different G-d...
that is unless Christians don't consider themselves to follow the same G-d as Abraham as the Quran repeatedly reminds Muslim that we do.

And I gave you verses from "MY" holy book.

So??

So?

So how about addressing my highlighted comment?
 
At the following link is an article by a guy who was raised Muslim and converted to Christianity. Read it with an open mind. So many people these days are stuck on the legalism of religion that they miss the message. It's love one another as God loved you.

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/radical.html
 
And I gave you verses from "MY" holy book.

So??

Your versus do absolutely nothing to prove your point. They just say that Jesus and God are pretty much one and the same in Christainity.

But Judaisim, Christianity, and Islam are the three major Abrahamic religions that worship the exact same God but each in their own way.

The fact that you're telling a Muslim that he's not worship the God his book says he is makes you look pathetic and ignorant as usual.
 
why can't you differentiate between Muslims and Muslim Fundamentalists?
is it something you do consciously? or is bigotry so ingrained into your head, you actually think you are being logical?:huh:

I mean, cuz it's weird.

Muslims and Neo-Nazis seem to be the ones who have a problem with the Holocaust account.

Why?

LMAO! yeah, what is their agenda!?:woot:
 
I learned about the Holocaust for at least 8 or 9 years straight. Every year we learned about it from 6-8th grade, and all 4 years of high school. The exact same thing. Yes, it was a terrible thing that happened. But geez is it depressing to learn about every freakin year. They shouldn't drop the Holocaust from the teaching lesson, just shorten the lesson to, let's say, a year.
 
Okay, time to blow minds.

The there are actually four major religions on this planet: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hindu.

I worked with a woman who's family came from India and she herself was Hindu. She had seen the Passion of the Christ and had some questions. So we spent that shift asking questions about each other's religions. Here's what I learned.

Hindu is Monotheistic. what most people percieve as different "gods" are actually all different incarnations of a single God, known as "Brahman" (sp). There are three important incarnations. Vishnu, Krishna, and Shiva. Their roles are (in no order I can't remember which is which) Creator, Destroyer, Warrior.

Those roles.
Creator
Destroyer
Warrior

Father
Son
Giver of Gifts

Seems similar to me.
 
In my opinion the verses from your holy book do not support that the G-d of the Muslims is different than the G-d of the Christian.

Your contention is that since Christians see Jesus and G-d as the same, this is proof to your claim.

However, did you know that not all Christians are not united in this belief?

Hardly proof of what you are claiming.

As I said two different perceptions of G-d
but Muslim are taught by G-d that we have the same G-d.

And in my opinion "Your" holy book does not support your claims either. But it's more than my opinion. I gave you the verses and you still choose to ignore them. And for your information, every religion will have disagreements on doctrine. You muslims are not all united on religious matters either. Hince the Sunnis and Shiites and other differences that get downright violent.
Sunni Muslims
Sunni Muslims These are followers of the Hanifa, Shafi, Hanibal and Malik schools. They constitute a 90% majority of the believers, and are considered to be main stream traditionalists. Because they are comfortable pursuing their faith within secular societies, they have been able to adapt to a variety of national cultures, while following their three sources of law: the Qur'an, Hadith and consensus of Muslims.
The Sunni emphasize the power and sovereignty of Allah and his right to do whatever he wants with his creation. Strict determinism is taught. Its rulership is through the Caliphate, the office of Muslim ruler who is considered the successor to Muhammad. This successor is not through hereditary lineage.

_________________________________________________________

Shi'ite Muslims
The Shi'ites (also known as the Ja'firi school) split with the Sunni over the issue of the successor to Muhammad. This split occured after the assassination of the fourth caliph in 661. Shi'ites believe that the successor to Muhammad should have been Ali, his son in law, and that subsequent successors should have been through his lineage through his wife Fatima.
Shi'ism is broken into three main sects: the Twelve-Imam; Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Syria), the Zaydis (Yemen), and the Ismailis (India, Iran, Syria, and East Africa). Each group, of course, has differences of doctrine.
"Shi'ite theology includes a doctrine known as the five supports: these are Divine Unity (tawhid), prophecy (nubuwwah), resurrection of the soul and body at the Judgment (ma'ad), the Imamate (imamah), and justice ('adl). The first three are found in Sunni Islam, albeit with some differences of emphasis; the Imamate, however , is the essence of Shi'ism, and the last, justice, is an inheritance from the Mu'tazilites, or rationalists, whose system is in many ways perpetuated in Shi'ite theology..." The Imamate, fom the word "Imam", in the Shi'ite traditions is the political and religious leader of the Shi'ite sect. This person possess great power and influence. According to Shi'ite doctrine, the Imam must be a biological successor of Ali. The Imam is also sinless and infallible on all matters of Islamic doctrine and will intercede for Muslims in the afterlife. The Shi'i and the Sunni differ in some interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith and even have a different canon of Hadith and the Sunni.
_______________________________________________________



Sufi Muslims
The Sufi are a mystical tradition where the followers seek inner mystical knowledge of God. This sect "officially" developed around the 10th century and has since fragmented into different orders: Ahmadiyya, Qadariyya, Tijaniyya, etc. Of course, the Sufi believe their roots can be traced back to the inception of Islam in the early 7th century.
The Sufi mystic must follow a path of deprivation and meditation. There are various forms of abstinence and poverty. Worldly things are renounced and a complete trust in God's will is taught. The goal is to attain to a higher knowledge and experience of Allah. The mystical focus meant that the Qur'an could be interpreted in different ways and so Sufism taught that the Qur'an had mystical meanings hidden within its pages. Out of this mysticism a type of pantheism developed among some Sufi believers. Pantheism is the teaching that God and the universe are one. Of course, the orthodox Muslims, called the Sunni, reject this idea since they claim that Allah is the creator of the universe and distinct from it.
In part, Sufism arose as a reaction to the growing Islamic materialism that had developed in the Empire at that time. Islam had achieved great power and geographical scope and with it, the material gain was great.


So we're back to square one. Your book vs. my book. They both teach something different. They both cannot contradict each other and be correct. :yay:

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16818/differences-within-islam-create-confusion-for-many
 
Okay, time to blow minds.

The there are actually four major religions on this planet: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hindu.

I worked with a woman who's family came from India and she herself was Hindu. She had seen the Passion of the Christ and had some questions. So we spent that shift asking questions about each other's religions. Here's what I learned.

Hindu is Monotheistic. what most people percieve as different "gods" are actually all different incarnations of a single God, known as "Brahman" (sp). There are three important incarnations. Vishnu, Krishna, and Shiva. Their roles are (in no order I can't remember which is which) Creator, Destroyer, Warrior.

Those roles.
Creator
Destroyer
Warrior

Father
Son
Giver of Gifts

Seems similar to me.


And got this from ONE woman?? And since it sounded good to you, you decided that it was true? Inspite of thousands of years of research and books on this religion being extremely polytheistic, you will ignore all of the facts for this one woman's opinion??

Come on Zoken.... Think man!
 
Your versus do absolutely nothing to prove your point. They just say that Jesus and God are pretty much one and the same in Christainity.

But Judaisim, Christianity, and Islam are the three major Abrahamic religions that worship the exact same God but each in their own way.

The fact that you're telling a Muslim that he's not worship the God his book says he is makes you look pathetic and ignorant as usual.


Hey there Hippie ol' pal! :yay:

As usual, you storm in with the insults and ignore every thing I laid out. I showed you how they are not the same God or belief system. The Atlantic and Pacific are not the same, despite them both being oceans. No matter how open minded I may want to be on that issue. The Same for these two religions........both are different. Both lead to a different conclusions. If you are truly as "open-minded" as you claim, you'd see it. You just don't want to know.:yay:

Ignorance means "lack of knowledge". I've dropped all kinds of knowledge and you simply deflect and dodge. You just do not agree with it. But at least come correct. :yay:

I'm off to Cancun!!!!!!!!!!! Yippeeee!!!!!!!!!!:woot:

I'll be back in a week. Who knows... I might find a PC from down there in the hotel!
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And in my opinion "Your" holy book does not support your claims either. But it's more than my opinion. I gave you the verses and you still choose to ignore them. And for your information, every religion will have disagreements on doctrine. You muslims are not all united on religious matters either. Hince the Sunnis and Shiites and other differences that get downright violent.
Sunni Muslims
Sunni Muslims These are followers of the Hanifa, Shafi, Hanibal and Malik schools. They constitute a 90% majority of the believers, and are considered to be main stream traditionalists. Because they are comfortable pursuing their faith within secular societies, they have been able to adapt to a variety of national cultures, while following their three sources of law: the Qur'an, Hadith and consensus of Muslims.
The Sunni emphasize the power and sovereignty of Allah and his right to do whatever he wants with his creation. Strict determinism is taught. Its rulership is through the Caliphate, the office of Muslim ruler who is considered the successor to Muhammad. This successor is not through hereditary lineage.
_________________________________________________________

Shi'ite Muslims
The Shi'ites (also known as the Ja'firi school) split with the Sunni over the issue of the successor to Muhammad. This split occured after the assassination of the fourth caliph in 661. Shi'ites believe that the successor to Muhammad should have been Ali, his son in law, and that subsequent successors should have been through his lineage through his wife Fatima.
Shi'ism is broken into three main sects: the Twelve-Imam; Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Syria), the Zaydis (Yemen), and the Ismailis (India, Iran, Syria, and East Africa). Each group, of course, has differences of doctrine.
"Shi'ite theology includes a doctrine known as the five supports: these are Divine Unity (tawhid), prophecy (nubuwwah), resurrection of the soul and body at the Judgment (ma'ad), the Imamate (imamah), and justice ('adl). The first three are found in Sunni Islam, albeit with some differences of emphasis; the Imamate, however , is the essence of Shi'ism, and the last, justice, is an inheritance from the Mu'tazilites, or rationalists, whose system is in many ways perpetuated in Shi'ite theology..." The Imamate, fom the word "Imam", in the Shi'ite traditions is the political and religious leader of the Shi'ite sect. This person possess great power and influence. According to Shi'ite doctrine, the Imam must be a biological successor of Ali. The Imam is also sinless and infallible on all matters of Islamic doctrine and will intercede for Muslims in the afterlife. The Shi'i and the Sunni differ in some interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith and even have a different canon of Hadith and the Sunni.
_______________________________________________________


Sufi Muslims

The Sufi are a mystical tradition where the followers seek inner mystical knowledge of God. This sect "officially" developed around the 10th century and has since fragmented into different orders: Ahmadiyya, Qadariyya, Tijaniyya, etc. Of course, the Sufi believe their roots can be traced back to the inception of Islam in the early 7th century.
The Sufi mystic must follow a path of deprivation and meditation. There are various forms of abstinence and poverty. Worldly things are renounced and a complete trust in God's will is taught. The goal is to attain to a higher knowledge and experience of Allah. The mystical focus meant that the Qur'an could be interpreted in different ways and so Sufism taught that the Qur'an had mystical meanings hidden within its pages. Out of this mysticism a type of pantheism developed among some Sufi believers. Pantheism is the teaching that God and the universe are one. Of course, the orthodox Muslims, called the Sunni, reject this idea since they claim that Allah is the creator of the universe and distinct from it.
In part, Sufism arose as a reaction to the growing Islamic materialism that had developed in the Empire at that time. Islam had achieved great power and geographical scope and with it, the material gain was great.


So we're back to square one. Your book vs. my book. They both teach something different. They both cannot contradict each other and be correct. :yay:

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16818/differences-within-islam-create-confusion-for-many

What you are quoting is simply the differences between the aforementioned sects. But perhaps your pitifully limited vocabulary and comprehension prevented you from understanding the relevance of the differences above to the topic at hand.

Sure, the difference between the sects is on the basis of subjects like succession and interpretation of the Qur'an and the Sunnah, but at the same time, there are is a lot of common ground between each and every sect. No sect claims Allah is not One. No sect claims Muhammad was not a prophet. No sect orders you not to pray the five daily prayers. No sect orders you not to fast in Ramadan. No sect tells you not to give charity.

Likewise, the issue being discussed in this thread right now is one of those that falls into the common doctrines category. No one is a Muslim unless he believes that The Lord of Muhammad is the very same as that of Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Moses, Aaron, Zachary, John and Jesus - all of whom are mentioned in the Qur'an, sometimes together in the one or consecutive verses. If you want first-hand proof, walk up to any decently learned Muslim and ask him if he/she believes his/her Lord is the same as the Lord of Abraham and Moses and you will never get anything except an immediate "yes" regardless of his/her sect.

As raybia and many others have already put it so eloquently, it's the perception of The Almighty that differs among the three Abrahamic faiths, but they all still worship the same Creator. For example, a man has three children. One views his father as nothing but a stern and strict teacher, the other only sees him as the most kind and merciful man. The third one has an altogether different opinion. But the father of all three children is still one, regardless of their perception of him.
 
As usual, you storm in with the insults and ignore every thing I laid out. I showed you how they are not the same God or belief system. The Atlantic and Pacific are not the same, despite them both being oceans. No matter how open minded I may want to be on that issue. The Same for these two religions........both are different. Both lead to a different conclusions. If you are truly as "open-minded" as you claim, you'd see it. You just don't want to know.:yay:

Ignorance means "lack of knowledge". I've dropped all kinds of knowledge and you simply deflect and dodge. You not agree with it. But at come correct. :yay:

Matter of fact, you are the one who is acting like an ignorant bigot. You're dismissing the tenets of another faith on the basis of your own book rather than theirs. With that kind of mentality, I'm sure you would have no problem Jews and Muslims calling you polytheistic according to the Torah, Talmud and the Qur'an, irrespective of what the Bible says.

It's downright idiotic.

If I want to know about capitalism, I won't read Das Kapital. And I sure as hell won't go to Adam Smith to learn communism. But in essence, that is exactly what you are doing here.
 
And got this from ONE woman?? And since it sounded good to you, you decided that it was true? Inspite of thousands of years of research and books on this religion being extremely polytheistic, you will ignore all of the facts for this one woman's opinion??

Come on Zoken.... Think man!
No, that is actually what the Hindu religion is.
 
And in my opinion "Your" holy book does not support your claims either. But it's more than my opinion. I gave you the verses and you still choose to ignore them. And for your information, every religion will have disagreements on doctrine. You muslims are not all united on religious matters either. Hince the Sunnis and Shiites and other differences that get downright violent.
Sunni Muslims
Sunni Muslims These are followers of the Hanifa, Shafi, Hanibal and Malik schools. They constitute a 90% majority of the believers, and are considered to be main stream traditionalists. Because they are comfortable pursuing their faith within secular societies, they have been able to adapt to a variety of national cultures, while following their three sources of law: the Qur'an, Hadith and consensus of Muslims.
The Sunni emphasize the power and sovereignty of Allah and his right to do whatever he wants with his creation. Strict determinism is taught. Its rulership is through the Caliphate, the office of Muslim ruler who is considered the successor to Muhammad. This successor is not through hereditary lineage.

_________________________________________________________

Shi'ite Muslims
The Shi'ites (also known as the Ja'firi school) split with the Sunni over the issue of the successor to Muhammad. This split occured after the assassination of the fourth caliph in 661. Shi'ites believe that the successor to Muhammad should have been Ali, his son in law, and that subsequent successors should have been through his lineage through his wife Fatima.
Shi'ism is broken into three main sects: the Twelve-Imam; Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Syria), the Zaydis (Yemen), and the Ismailis (India, Iran, Syria, and East Africa). Each group, of course, has differences of doctrine.
"Shi'ite theology includes a doctrine known as the five supports: these are Divine Unity (tawhid), prophecy (nubuwwah), resurrection of the soul and body at the Judgment (ma'ad), the Imamate (imamah), and justice ('adl). The first three are found in Sunni Islam, albeit with some differences of emphasis; the Imamate, however , is the essence of Shi'ism, and the last, justice, is an inheritance from the Mu'tazilites, or rationalists, whose system is in many ways perpetuated in Shi'ite theology..." The Imamate, fom the word "Imam", in the Shi'ite traditions is the political and religious leader of the Shi'ite sect. This person possess great power and influence. According to Shi'ite doctrine, the Imam must be a biological successor of Ali. The Imam is also sinless and infallible on all matters of Islamic doctrine and will intercede for Muslims in the afterlife. The Shi'i and the Sunni differ in some interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith and even have a different canon of Hadith and the Sunni.
_______________________________________________________



Sufi Muslims
The Sufi are a mystical tradition where the followers seek inner mystical knowledge of God. This sect "officially" developed around the 10th century and has since fragmented into different orders: Ahmadiyya, Qadariyya, Tijaniyya, etc. Of course, the Sufi believe their roots can be traced back to the inception of Islam in the early 7th century.
The Sufi mystic must follow a path of deprivation and meditation. There are various forms of abstinence and poverty. Worldly things are renounced and a complete trust in God's will is taught. The goal is to attain to a higher knowledge and experience of Allah. The mystical focus meant that the Qur'an could be interpreted in different ways and so Sufism taught that the Qur'an had mystical meanings hidden within its pages. Out of this mysticism a type of pantheism developed among some Sufi believers. Pantheism is the teaching that God and the universe are one. Of course, the orthodox Muslims, called the Sunni, reject this idea since they claim that Allah is the creator of the universe and distinct from it.
In part, Sufism arose as a reaction to the growing Islamic materialism that had developed in the Empire at that time. Islam had achieved great power and geographical scope and with it, the material gain was great.


So we're back to square one. Your book vs. my book. They both teach something different. They both cannot contradict each other and be correct. :yay:

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16818/differences-within-islam-create-confusion-for-many

So?

So how about addressing my highlighted comment?

I cannot answer your first question any better than Phaser did but interesting that you have yet to answer my question.

According to your logic, Jews also have a different G-d than Christians.

Please respond.
 
Its form the Daily Mail. A newspaper on a single mission to make everyone Hate Muslims, Immigrants, anything to do the modern world.

They write stupid articals to appeal to middle england about if your kids are Emo or Goth they are gonna turn in to serial killers and Rap music will make you turn to crime.

They suck up to aristocrisy and high society. They write articals about how great they are and that we should bring back social classes to sepertae us all.

In every artical about people they feel the need to tell you what their parents jobs where. If they are from the wealthy or poor side of town. If they wents to a private fee paying boarding school or a regular state school.

Every Saturday they usually run an artical about how much better life was in the 50's and how we should all go back to living like that. According to them in the 50's everyone got along, there was no crime and the world was a perfect place.
 
If that's the case,then why don't others admit it?

Different beliefs with some while with others they cannot stomach the idea that they have a connection to a religious group they are intolerant about.

However even the Bible supports that the Muslims are the offspring of Abraham through Ismail just like the Jews and Christians are through Issac.

Like it or not Jews, Christians, and Muslims are the children of Abraham and brethren to each other. This is just too much for some people to handle.
 
I have different beliefs from Muslims and Jews as well, but I have no problem understanding that the God we worship is one and the same. I don't understand why that is so "hard to understand"....
 
I have different beliefs from Muslims and Jews as well, but I have no problem understanding that the God we worship is one and the same. I don't understand why that is so "hard to understand"....

There were people at one time who couldn't understand how the world could be round or that people of African decent are just as intelligent as whites...well actually these people still exist.
 
There were people at one time who couldn't understand how the world could be round or that people of African decent are just as intelligent as whites...well actually these people still exist.

Truth...:dry:
 

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