Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Salvation as a concept was great, but then they gave it to McG to direct.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Salvation had the right idea, it was different than T3/Genysis or Dark Fate and it made sense to go the future war but the execution got messed up. Messy landing!

There's still so much potential in exploring that than just some crazy new twists like the other sequels.

The franchise shouldn't become too different and new though just for the sake of it. That's why the franchise needs to just end as it's too limiting

Salvation has the same basic premise as T2. Except, in the future.

I don't think what a third Terminator movie should be is hard to understand. It should be Judgement Day. The event, not the film. Stop with the pushing it off into the distant future. Stop with the buddy Terminator. Force John into a leadership role, because that is what he is suppose to be. No time travel. I have some ideas for how to keep the future present, but what you don't need is things from the future coming back to the past mess with John. That includes Terminators. You can have them, but make them modern and far less capable, meaning going through a few wouldn't be an issue.

These movies and show have been so determined to not give what the first two original films promised. Instead they seem determined to give you T2 again, just bad.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Salvation as a concept was great, but then they gave it to McG to direct.

I disagree. McG wasn't the problem. The problem was while the basic concept was right, what they filled it in with is almost all wrong wrong. Future war? Good. John trying to be a leader? Good. John and Kyle? Good. The rest? Another crappy retread. Why is Clash of the Titans' character in the movie other then because of T2?

 

[fan4stic]

Salvation has the same basic premise as T2. Except, in the future.

I don't particularly think that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I disagree. McG wasn't the problem. The problem was while the basic concept was right, what they filled it in with is almost all wrong wrong. Future war? Good. John trying to be a leader? Good. John and Kyle? Good. The rest? Another crappy retread. Why is Clash of the Titans' character in the movie other then because of T2?

Well agree to disagree. Giving the movie to a guy or has had like 1 or 2 movies in his whole career that weren't critically panned was a bad idea IMO.

 

[Zorro]

T3 already did Judgement Day..the event in the 2nd half of the film. Although, a whole film of the event done in a dark&gritty and suspenful way instead of an action disaster movie would be different and fresh enough.

Basically, a full film of T3's third act with T1's tone

 

[Mani-Man]

I just don't know where else you could go with Terminator that HASN'T been tried yet and expect better results.

I mean what have they tried?
Its all pretty much the same idea they have gone with, without really trying a new formula, not even really changing the theme of it.

I think there is still a lot left in the tank.
You can do a downright slasher or horror movie where i dont know, a bunch of mercenaries or so break into a locked down lab for something and then get hunted by a terminator and killed off one by one.
Something like a Alien like terminator movie.
You could do several type of war movies in the universe and so on.
Problem is if you do the same kind of movie with the same kind of theme, that has gotten stale as hell.

But who knows, dark fate has put a hole in my interest in future movies to be honest.
The new timeline is fine, but im not particular interested in it.
The Genysis timeline interested me more.
But this one without John connor in it and all, eh im not so super into that.

 

[Zorro]

John Connor not existing anymore just isn't right. He doesn't have to be a major role in every film but it was nice to have Future John's presence in T 1-3 even by exposition. Future John's cameo in T2's intro was simple but very effective. A lesser extent in T3's cameo but still cool.

It's crazy and sad that of all the John Connor's in the films, T2's cameo is the best! Something about that actor, his look and his presence stands out in such a great way and all he did was walked through a bunker hallway and onto the battlefield looking around.

If you're going to keep featuring him then make him the badass he's supposed to be and if not, then leave him in the future without killing him off in such a way like Dark Fate. I like future and present Danny but no..just no!

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean what have they tried?
Its all pretty much the same idea they have gone with, without really trying a new formula, not even really changing the theme of it.

I think there is still a lot left in the tank.
You can do a downright slasher or horror movie where i dont know, a bunch of mercenaries or so break into a locked down lab for something and then get hunted by a terminator and killed off one by one.
Something like a Alien like terminator movie.
You could do several type of war movies in the universe and so on.
Problem is if you do the same kind of movie with the same kind of theme, that has gotten stale as hell.

But who knows, dark fate has put a hole in my interest in future movies to be honest.
The new timeline is fine, but im not particular interested in it.
The Genysis timeline interested me more.
But this one without John connor in it and all, eh im not so super into that.

1. They've tried a TV series with a female Terminator, all sorts of time travel weirdness
2. They've tried a future war movie
3. They've basically attempted a reboot recasting the 1980s versions of Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese but still using Arnold. Basically a Star Trek 2009 style version; Also, John Connor is now the villain
4. They attempted yet another reboot/continuation using both Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger; And oh yeah, they killed John Connor
5. An actual sequel to Terminator 2 with Terminator 3, that still had Arnold; Female Terminator

 

[Vaibow]

I just don't know where else you could go with Terminator that HASN'T been tried yet and expect better results.

I think the best thing is to focus the moment AI takes over the world... how governments react, what happens to our cities... imagine ID4, that was a cool movie, now imagine it being darker... and we see John Connor and Sarah doing their best to escape it.. T3 had the right idea, just to get them safe no matter what... expand on that... but for the majority of the movie. Leave it on a cliff edge with them plotting how to resist.

Salvation had the right idea, it was different than T3/Genysis or Dark Fate and it made sense to go the future war but the execution got messed up. Messy landing!

There's still so much potential in exploring that than just some crazy new twists like the other sequels.

The franchise shouldn't become too different and new though just for the sake of it. That's why the franchise needs to just end as it's too limiting

I think it's the opposite, it's endless... but I feel it needs to be organic ideally T3 had the right idea.. but just needed to focus on the war starting... the suspense of that alone, the horror.... I mean t1 was a great horror movie.

Salvation has the same basic premise as T2. Except, in the future.

I don't think what a third Terminator movie should be is hard to understand. It should be Judgement Day. The event, not the film. Stop with the pushing it off into the distant future. Stop with the buddy Terminator. Force John into a leadership role, because that is what he is suppose to be. No time travel. I have some ideas for how to keep the future present, but what you don't need is things from the future coming back to the past mess with John. That includes Terminators. You can have them, but make them modern and far less capable, meaning going through a few wouldn't be an issue.

These movies and show have been so determined to not give what the first two original films promised. Instead they seem determined to give you T2 again, just bad.

Agree... it's like they felt that t2 is the formula, but they didn't follow it up with the result.

I feel like t3 should have been a race against time, I feel it should have all been in real time... so like you know the show 24, well, I would have had t3 start off with like an alarm bell ringing and warning and then news outlets covering it and this invasion has started from no where... martial law, troops out to stop this AI taking over, there is no kill switch.. we see families on the run, preppers get down... the pace is good... we see John and Sarah... they try and gather as much as they can and connect With others and then a t-800 arrives and assist them to 'safety', only to realize that all they can do is wait it out.

John Connor not existing anymore just isn't right. He doesn't have to be a major role in every film but it was nice to have Future John's presence in T 1-3 even by exposition. Future John's cameo in T2's intro was simple but very effective. A lesser extent in T3's cameo but still cool.

It's crazy and sad that of all the John Connor's in the films, T2's cameo is the best! Something about that actor, his look and his presence stands out in such a great way and all he did was walked through a bunker hallway and onto the battlefield looking around.

If you're going to keep featuring him then make him the badass he's supposed to be and if not, then leave him in the future without killing him off in such a way like Dark Fate. I like future and present Danny but no..just no!

It felt cheap killing him off at the start...at least give us Sarah, then we see where she is in her life and we learn of his death via a flash back..

But here's the thing, if he was killed.... he never got old... those events in T1, T2 could possibly have never happened as who would have sent Kyle back?

 

[henzINNIT]

I will always watch a new Terminator thing, but they have sh*t the bed so many times that I can't even think of something interesting to do. I smell a complete reboot down the line, and I don't wanna.

I find Dark Fate kind of funny in hindsight. The same film that banks on your love for Sarah Connor fridges her son in the opening scene. Not a great plan.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think the best thing is to focus the moment AI takes over the world... how governments react, what happens to our cities... imagine ID4, that was a cool movie, now imagine it being darker... and we see John Connor and Sarah doing their best to escape it.. T3 had the right idea, just to get them safe no matter what... expand on that... but for the majority of the movie. Leave it on a cliff edge with them plotting how to resist.

I mean we've seen what happens. They launch nukes at all the major cities and send people into bunkers and start Judgment Day.

 

[TheVileOne]

I will always watch a new Terminator thing, but they have sh*t the bed so many times that I can't even think of something interesting to do. I smell a complete reboot down the line, and I don't wanna.

I find Dark Fate kind of funny in hindsight. The same film that banks on your love for Sarah Connor fridges her son in the opening scene. Not a great plan.

They definitely over-played their hand there. Like they have that weird logo sequence with clips of Linda Hamilton from T2 which contextually don't really have much to do with the actual plot of Dark Fate. We get Linda Hamilton back, but even that wasn't enough to rebuild interest in the franchise. "Hm, all the other movies were missing Linda Hamilton. Maybe bringing her back will get people on board again." Nope.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I will always watch a new Terminator thing, but they have sh*t the bed so many times that I can't even think of something interesting to do. I smell a complete reboot down the line, and I don't wanna.

I find Dark Fate kind of funny in hindsight. The same film that banks on your love for Sarah Connor fridges her son in the opening scene. Not a great plan.

Meh. I am starting to get tired of empty nostalgia movies. For me, it will take more than slapping the name Terminator on something for me to care. At this point, the movie is going to actually have to be....good. Same for a lot of the bad empty nostalgia requels they are plaguing us with lately.

 

[henzINNIT]

They definitely over-played their hand there. Like they have that weird logo sequence with clips of Linda Hamilton from T2 which contextually don't really have much to do with the actual plot of Dark Fate. We get Linda Hamilton back, but even that wasn't enough to rebuild interest in the franchise. "Hm, all the other movies were missing Linda Hamilton. Maybe bringing her back will get people on board again." Nope.

It's super weird to me because Miller was always talking about how much Sarah meant to the franchise, which is true, but simultaneously views John as disposable in order to further her arc. To be frank, I wonder how much this has to do with Furlong. Not to bag on the guy, but if he was still viable for the role I bet he'd be back in this with Hamilton. In any case, killing John was probably preferable to recasting him. Someone else next to Sarah would undermine bringing back Hamilton.

Meh. I am starting to get tired of empty nostalgia movies. For me, it will take more than slapping the name Terminator on something for me to care. At this point, the movie is going to actually have to be....good. Same for a lot of the bad empty nostalgia requels they are plaguing us with lately.

I agree on all counts, except for this franchise. This is my fun trash series now. The originals are so distinct and protected that I don't think any of these lesser sequels harm them, and it has been entertaining watching companies bankrupt themselves trying to launch a franchise. One day the right talent will have the right idea and something great will happen, maybe, but I'm happy to watch people die trying until then.

 

[Vaibow]

I will always watch a new Terminator thing, but they have sh*t the bed so many times that I can't even think of something interesting to do. I smell a complete reboot down the line, and I don't wanna.

I find Dark Fate kind of funny in hindsight. The same film that banks on your love for Sarah Connor fridges her son in the opening scene. Not a great plan.

I said this before, say I again... we get a cameo of future John and it's pretty cool... we don't hear about Sarah... it would have made more sense to sacrifice Sarah to get John to where he needed to be. Sarah, in my mind, should have gone off the grid, lost her self, self medicating, losing the plot, unable to hold a job, suffering from ptsd.. I would have had them further the stakes of Sarah in T2 where she was in a ward, I would have it that she has totally lost the plot... not have her standing there, looking cool with cgi de aging and make up... perfect hair.. it just took me right out.. full credit Linda for growing old naturally..but on camera, either embrace it or don't try and fool us.

I mean we've seen what happens. They launch nukes at all the major cities and send people into bunkers and start Judgment Day.

True, so true... I guess super hero movies should be cancelled too, we all know how they go down.. romcom's, forget them... drama, hard pass... horror... don't get me started... we all know what to expect so what's the point?

 

[henzINNIT]

I'm an hour in to Terminator Salvation and it is far and away the worst in the franchise. Nearly every moment is awful, nearly every line is stupid. People don't even communicate like people. It has broken my brain several times. Some examples:

~Moon Bloodgood tells Marcus to speak to John Connor if he "has a problem with the machines". Surely everybody has a problem with them?

~John Connor - thinking Marcus is a Skynet agent - tells Marcus about Kyle Reese being his father. Marcus - not being a Skynet agent and knowing nothing about time travel - tells John that Kyle Reese has been taken by the enemy. How could Marcus possibly think they're talking about the same person?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'd watch Salvation over the last 2 without question. Those to me are legit torture.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I'm an hour in to Terminator Salvation and it is far and away the worst in the franchise.

Definitely. I'd take T3, TG, and TDF over it any day (I'd even binge them!).

 

[KaijuDude1992]

Definitely. I'd take T3, TG, and TDF over it any day (I'd even binge them!).

I don't know about Genisys, but I'd definitely rather watch T3 or Dark Fate over it. Salvation is just too frustrating of a movie for me to sit through anymore not to mention its honestly a pretty boring film as well.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I don't know about Genisys, but I'd definitely rather watch T3 or Dark Fate over it. Salvation is just too frustrating of a movie for me to sit through anymore not to mention its honestly a pretty boring film as well.

I missed Salvation at the cinema, but I bought the DVD when it first came out. I watched it once and gave it away.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Genisys is the worst in the series. Dark Fate and Salvation are same level of bad to me. I think Salvation has the right idea in some regard, but it's executed abysmally. Dark Fate does what it wanted better, but what it wants to accomplish was stupid and a waste of time. Honestly, of the post T2 films, T3 I think was the best of them. It is bad, but has a cool ending at least. The rest.... pure garbage

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Imo T3 is a blah Terminator movie. The other three are just straight up awful films for me, and the last two went so hard out of their way to crap on the original two flicks in a way that makes them kind of unwatchable for me.

 

[OutOfBoose]

All Terminator films past 2 are spoofs. Comedic imitations.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Dark Fate dropped onto Epix this weekend.
Anybody watch it?

I actually got the 4K last week and still found it very enjoyable. I get people's complaints about the opening but it didn't bother me.

I just consider all of the sequels since T2 all seperate timeline's.