Action-Adventure Terminator: Dark Fate

[OutOfBoose]

R rating is still quite a change for the franchise. Past 20 years it was PG.

 

[MadVillainy]

R rating is still quite a change for the franchise. Past 20 years it was PG.

Im 99% sure it was always R rated

EDIT: I wasn't thinking of the time frame T3-TG were in the last 20 years so 2/3 of them weren't "R"

 

[I Am The Knight]

"Always"?

 

[MadVillainy]

"Always"?

I meant the ones from 20 years ago from what OutofBoose said

EDIT: I just realize how far back 1991 was. Damn

 

[OutOfBoose]

Im 99% sure it was always R rated

Machines was. I thought it was 2001 for some reason. Never bothered to watch that ****e since.

But I just try not to think about the last three as part of the franchise. So essentially it was always R.

 

[MadVillainy]

In any case, I don't really don't care about the rating. Especially when Terminator's and T2's R rating aren't that important to the films imo.
It's not like Die Hard where you need John McLane to curse (I mean his catch phrase has "f***" in it) or Alien/Aliens and Rambo II-IV which had a fair amount of gore. And even with those you can make the argument that the rating not being as important. A Good Day to Die Hard was R rated after having a PG13 Live Free or Die Hard and it's seen as worse.

Anyway Sure T1 and T2 had blood and swearing, but not so much that I'm like "the franchise needs it to be good".

 

[OutOfBoose]

In any case, I don't really don't care about the rating. Especially when Terminator's and T2's R rating aren't that important to the films imo.
It's not like Die Hard where you need John McLane to curse (I mean his catch phrase has "f***" in it) or Alien/Aliens and Rambo II-IV which had a fair amount of gore. And even with those you can make the argument that the rating not being as important. A Good Day to Die Hard was R rated after having a PG13 Live Free or Die Hard and it's seen as worse.

Anyway Sure T1 and T2 had blood and swearing, but not so much that I'm like "the franchise needs it to be good".

I think it's important for Terminator films. Scenes like:
1) T-800 repairs himself or removes skin from the arm to shock Dysons;
2) Dream where Sarah is burned alive...
It gives weight to the nightmarish future. Terminators need to be deadly and I believe we need to see death on screen.

 

[DarkKnight88]

It also adds to the horror and brutality of the terminators which Genysis severely lacked.

Hell, even T3 at least had a bit of the horror element as well.

 

[OutOfBoose]

James Cameron: The more fantastic the subject the more realistic the situation needs to be for it to work (The Making of T2, 1991)

I think it also applies to depiction of violence. Everything should work to make it feel as real as possible.

Perhaps not something overly grisly or over-the-top Deadpool style, but enough to make you feel that the death is real.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think it's important for Terminator films. Scenes like:
1) T-800 repairs himself or removes skin from the arm to shock Dysons;
2) Dream with Sarah is burned alive...
It gives weight to the nightmarish future. Terminators need to be deadly and I believe we need to see death on screen.

You're #1 was the main scene I was thinking of from the old movies. That at The Terminator repairing himself in the first movie. ANd I mean the scene of Sarah being burned alive by the nuke would probably be fine in PG13 nowadays. (EDIT: My opinion on the Judgement Day nuke scene bit is very wrong) We literally saw Anakin burning alive in a PG13 movie

It also adds to the horror and brutality of the terminators which Genysis severely lacked.


Hell, even T3 at least had a bit of the horror element as well.

I don't think you need an R rating to be Brutal or to have horror. Split, A Quiet Place, The boardroom scene in Shazam, Doc Ock's birth in Spider-Man 2, the nazi being thrown into the propellers in TFA, Wolverine's rampages in X2 and Apocalypse, the burst scene in Cloverfield. All varying degrees of brutal and/or horrifying despite being PG13. Hell even The Magnificent Seven remake was brutal as hell to the point I'm surprised it wasn't R. Terminator can be the same.

I mean I'm not against an R rating. Let me make that clear. It's not like I'll clutch my pearls and be mad about it. I'm just saying for me Terminator isn't an action film like The Raid or John Wick that are dependent on an R rating. And Dark Fate having an R rating doesn't do anything about my confidence in the movie since the story still looks average at best. Strap an R rating on TS, TG, or any other movie people complained about not being R like XMOW they still would

I'm very curious about what limits you can push PG13 to. I know you're allowed 1 f-bomb, but some movies push that rating in other ways. Again the Magnificent 7 remake was pretty brutal and then there was a movie called Wildlife with Carey Mulligan and Jake Gyllenhaal when they had a flash of full frontal nudity.

I think it also applies to depiction of violence. Everything should work to make it feel as real as possible.

Perhaps not something overly grisly or over-the-top Deadpool style, but enough to make you feel that the death is real.

And you don't need R rating to make that possible. The Craig Bond films, Magnificent Seven 2016, Jason Bourne films, Taken, TDK, Mission Impossible, all had very "real" gritty scenes of death and violence. Even Alita Battle Angel had a scene with someone getting cut in half. All were PG13 in America. Terminator would be fine along those lines or at least it won't be the reason why a Terminator movie is bad.
Now if you make it PG13 and you also try to make the tone akin the an MCU movie...then that's a problem. I'm looking at you Terminator Genysis

 

[DarkKnight88]

There is no way that the Sarah Connor nuke scene would be PG-13, even today. And it’s not just the violence on screen that makes that scene R, it’s the subject matter and tone of the scene. It is still a completely horrifying scenario that definitely earns its R then and today.

 

[MadVillainy]

There is no way that the Sarah Connor nuke scene would be PG-13, even today. And it’s not just the violence on screen that makes that scene R, it’s the subject matter and tone of the scene. It is still a completely horrifying scenario that definitely earns its R then and today.

Yeah going back and rewatching that scene I forgot how brutal that particular scene was

But I maintain the rest of what I said

 

[OutOfBoose]

And you don't need R rating to make that possible. The Craig Bond films, Magnificent Seven 2016, Jason Bourne films, Taken, TDK, Mission Impossible, all had very "real" gritty scenes of death and violence. Even Alita Battle Angel had a scene with someone getting cut in half. All were PG13 in America. Terminator would be fine along those lines or at least it won't be the reason why a Terminator movie is bad.
Now if you make it PG13 and you also try to make the tone akin the an MCU movie...then that's a problem. I'm looking at you Terminator Genysis

None of them are borderline horror films. Perhaps we can mention Cloverfield 1, but it's more like an exception because the way it was shot allows depiction of graphic violence in murky and unclear way, leaving a lot to imagination. It's compensated by "found footage" type of cinematography. But I believe you need R to make the dark future and visitors from there truly scary.

 

[MadVillainy]

None of them are borderline horror films. Perhaps we can mention Cloverfield 1, but it's more like an exception because the way it was shot allows depiction of graphic violence in murky and unclear way, leaving a lot to imagination. It's compensated by "found footage" type of cinematography.

Split we saw an elderly women crushed to death, A Quiet Place had a scene of a child dying. Sure there wasn't a lot of blood but still. And then the whole birth scene.
Borderline horror movie or not there are plenty of PG13 movies that either are horror movies and are brutal and effective or there are movies in other genres that are horror-esque that are brutal and effective.

But this is all moot. I have nothing left to say and we're just going in circles. Plus we're not really even saying much. I really don't care either way if Terminator is R or PG13. As I said I care about the story. But for me, Terminator is not one of those franchises or properties like Alien, Predator, The Raid, John Wick, Deadpool, where I'm like "If it's not R rated then I won't be there" especially when PG13 has proven to be effective at times. Blood and cursing won't make the movie better. That's all I think

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, pretty certain SCC wasn't MA when that was on broadcast television, so the pg-13 rating can work.

But as always, the rating should be a judgement of the work, not necessarily a goal to shoot for. If you are trying to get a rating that your original story doesn't necessarily support, than that is a good chance of hurting the final product.

 

[dark_b]

in a R rated movie the terminator kills people. in an PG13 he throws them around.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Either way I'm glad it's R, they're less constrained with what they can put on screen and just commit to the vision.

When Sarah smacks the guard in the face with a mop grip and blood flies from his nose/mouth we can 100% feel she means it. It just feels authentic and direct without any dancing around with clever cuts or camera angles.

Or in the first Terminator T-800 just rips through those punks. And in the finale when Reese is standing his ground with a metal bar and then back handed by T-800 in the face it feels scary because we know how devastating he is. Next shot is bloodied face of Reese as he's barely conscious to light up the fuse and stick it in the torso of the machine. I'm not convinced there would be the same effect in PG-13 version.

There's just level of tension and fear that's really hard to achieve with PG-13.

 

[Lily Adler]

So basically taking ideas from T3 and Genisys.

Great sources to be pulling from....

I'm guessing they think the ideas were good, but maybe the execution will make it better. The definition of insanity.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Trust in Cameron.

 

[Mysteryman]

Cameron told us Genisys was good.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[terry78]

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Well, how else will she get those kale chips she so desperately needs?

 

[Mysteryman]

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Cute.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Who’s Karen and what am I missing from this joke?

 

[Mandon Knight]

Who’s Karen and what am I missing from this joke?

I was thinking exactly same thing.