Terminator: Genisys - Part 7

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

question. why is the T-3000 holding Arnold around the neck? and why is Arnold looking like it hurts him?

I don't remember Arnold looking hurt, he just looked like he was struggling to me, which, by that point in the fight, he was. As for grabbing around the neck, evil John still has many human tendencies after being human for over 40 years of his life.

 

[Alien Anal]

This idea is somewhat taken from the terminatorfiles.net forum..but in Genisys Skynet didnt lose...it had nano tech that was able to take over John Connor. Sending a T800 back is pointless

The original idea is that Skynet had lost and that the time traveling T800 was its final attempt at winning. It doesnt make sense anymore

*I cant log into my terminatorfiles.net account...is anyone else having this issue?

 

[Tony Stark]

While I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the movie, I liked the movie more than I thought I would, I can't help thinking this could have been something really special with a different director.

I don't think Taylor is bad, his work on GOT is great, and TDW was just as much Marvels fault as his, but imagine what someone like Doug Liman would have done with this concept? As I really think the concept was solid enough.

No, Taylor is a bad director. After TDW and this film, I'm convinced. The only thing that saved him in GOT is they had great source material, and to a much lesser extent in TDW they had some good acting from Hiddleston and Hemsworth who are very engaging.

I said this back in TDW, that Hopkins just mailed in his performance. He looked totally disinterested in the project, which he didn't do in the first. That tells me he probably wasn't very impressed with the director.

This film pretty much proves that Taylor is a crap director.

However, as I said before, I love this film for it's unintentional hilarity on just how bad it is. I'd put it in a category with Starship Troopers, so bad it's actually enjoyable.

 

[Hurm...]

Heh. I just watched Half in the Bag and they say the next one should be the wild west.

I want some royalties dammit

 

[The Chris]

No, Taylor is a bad director. After TDW and this film, I'm convinced. The only thing that saved him in GOT is they had great source material, and to a much lesser extent in TDW they had some good acting from Hiddleston and Hemsworth who are very engaging.

I said this back in TDW, that Hopkins just mailed in his performance. He looked totally disinterested in the project, which he didn't do in the first. That tells me he probably wasn't very impressed with the director.

This film pretty much proves that Taylor is a crap director.

However, as I said before, I love this film for it's unintentional hilarity on just how bad it is. I'd put it in a category with Starship Troopers, so bad it's actually enjoyable.

That is so true. He looked totally invested I felt in the first film and looked like he was enjoying himself. But then again he had another great actor directing him there. I don't think I've ever seen him so lifeless in a role as he looked in Thor 2.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No, Taylor is a bad director. After TDW and this film, I'm convinced. The only thing that saved him in GOT is they had great source material, and to a much lesser extent in TDW they had some good acting from Hiddleston and Hemsworth who are very engaging.

I said this back in TDW, that Hopkins just mailed in his performance. He looked totally disinterested in the project, which he didn't do in the first. That tells me he probably wasn't very impressed with the director.

This film pretty much proves that Taylor is a crap director.

However, as I said before, I love this film for it's unintentional hilarity on just how bad it is. I'd put it in a category with Starship Troopers, so bad it's actually enjoyable.

Well we know Marvel interfered heavily with TDW, so whos to say Hopkins wasnt disinterested because of that? We will never know, hasnt Hopkins said he is not coming back for more? I doubt Taylor is the reason if true, but not everything Marvel insisted upon made the movie better. I thought Taylor balanced the humour in this movie much better than in TDW and I would say a lot of the action was better here than in TDW, the script just wasnt up to par. I do think a different director would have made a better movie but Taylor isnt a director to improve an average script, with a good script and less interference I think he would be able to make a good movie.

 

[LostSon88]

That is so true. He looked totally invested I felt in the first film and looked like he was enjoying himself. But then again he had another great actor directing him there. I don't think I've ever seen him so lifeless in a role as he looked in Thor 2.

I remember he had an interview where he went on record to say that Thor 1 was probably one of the best filming experiences he's ever had in his career.

I really do think Branaugh had alot to do with that.

 

[Visceral]

This idea is somewhat taken from the terminatorfiles.net forum..but in Genisys Skynet didnt lose...it had nano tech that was able to take over John Connor. Sending a T800 back is pointless

The original idea is that Skynet had lost and that the time traveling T800 was its final attempt at winning. It doesnt make sense anymore

*I cant log into my terminatorfiles.net account...is anyone else having this issue?

Exactly but the final attempt wasnt the final attempt, thats why t2 is slightly messed up. how do the machines keep using the timp warp if they have only one shot at using the time warp. Nothing is solved.

 

[Loki882]

I remember Hopkins flat out saying that he wanted to work with Branagh (that was apparently Natalie Portman's reason for taking on her role as well, and Idris Elba).

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This idea is somewhat taken from the terminatorfiles.net forum..but in Genisys Skynet didnt lose...it had nano tech that was able to take over John Connor. Sending a T800 back is pointless

The original idea is that Skynet had lost and that the time traveling T800 was its final attempt at winning. It doesnt make sense anymore

*I cant log into my terminatorfiles.net account...is anyone else having this issue?

It made sense for me, Skynet set a trap for John at the time displacement unit so the T-800 and T-1000 still had to be sent back to lull John into thinking that was the end and they were going to win. After Skynet took over John they knew the date Kyle arrived, etc, as in the movie.

John still lived as a human for 40-45 years and still had to go through what he did to lead to the moment he sends Kyle Reese back so Skynet could spring its trap.

 

[Visceral]

I cant get over how much this film pisses on the original.

 

[georgec]

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[Black Narcissus]

Hnnng.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Exactly but the final attempt wasnt the final attempt, thats why t2 is slightly messed up. how do the machines keep using the timp warp if they have only one shot at using the time warp. Nothing is solved.

I can answer this for you.

In the original T2 script, it's stated that the original T-800 and the T-1000 were both sent back at the same time (to different time periods), right before Skynet lost the war and the resistance captured the Time Displacement Equipment. Same with Kyle Reese and the reprogrammed T-800, from T2. After John sent Kyle back to 1984, he sent Uncle Bob back to protect himself as a child, from the T-1000 and then they blew the place up (as Reese stated in the original).

This all took place in 2029 (at the end of the war).


T3 is where they changed the details. That T-800 and the T-X came from 2032 (where the war was still ongoing) and the T-800 wasn't sent back by John but by Kate Connor.

As usual though, ignore T3.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Extremely disappointed that this broke the tradition of having a great car chase sequence, every other Terminator film has one. It couldn't even do that right.

 

[Zantera]

Extremely disappointed that this broke the tradition of having a great car chase sequence, every other Terminator film has one. It couldn't even do that right.

Salvation had a car chase sequence?

 

[Dave McFly]

do the motor terminators count ?

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Salvation had a car chase sequence?

Well that one had a moto terminators chase lol

 

[Alien Anal]

There was enough OTT action in the bus flipping, no need for another chase scene :P

 

[The Slang]

Oh yeah, the bus that does a perfect somersault 3 stories above the road. That **** was so hype!

 

[DA_Champion]

I went to watch Terminator Genysis tonight, in spite of all of the warnings. I think that due to being told it was pure garbage I was able to enjoy it.

Cons:
- Plot doesn't make any sense and is a pastiche of elements done better elsewhere. Why do you need a time machine to go ten years into the future? Why are there focal points in time?
- Characters behave irrationally, for example the only reason the T-1000 doesn't kill Reese and Connor in the clothing store is that he is holding back, which doesn't make any sense. He attaches himself to a mirror as they walk by, and then waits until they have some distance before hitting them. Also, why does Pops take a crappy gun to take down the original T-800? Why not use a good gun? There are issues like this throughout the movie;
- No sense of geography in some action scenes, for example when the T-800 disconnects the T-1000 from the van, they drove for 5 minutes, and the T-1000 catches up to them ... how does it know which side streets the van followed? Did the van go on in a straight line?
- Character emotional behaviour is befuddling ... Why doesn't Kyle suffer from PTSD? How is Sarah so socially-adjusted given that she was raised by a machine?
- Cynical appeals to pathos, for example that whole sequence with child Kyle Reese and the finger on the hand. We are supposed to like that scene because kids are cute;

Pros:
- Destruction Porn ... shots of LA blowing up at the start, really cool;
- Good cinematography, action scenes, special effects;
- Emilia Clarke looks hot, she really rocked that push-up bra;
- A few good jokes, for example after Kyle Reese acknowledges that he understood Arnold's exposition dump, the T-800 goes "Yes Kyle Reese". It's a funny joke because Arnold has been looking down on Kyle Reese all movie. "John Connor talks too much" is a funny line and shows that the movie is self-aware of what it is. Both jokes do actually.

Grade: C+. I think that nobody's going to remember this movie fifteen years from now or even two years from now, but it was better executed than Age of Ultron and Divergent 2. I'd put it on par with Jurassic World. It was fun in parts because the movie knew what it was: pure fan service.

ETA: Major issue is that they made John Connor into a primadonna. At the beginning of the movie he is bragging about what a great military leader is and how everybody's going to die if he's not born. That's not what a good leader does, a good leader doesn't tell everybody else in the room that they're useless without him, that's what an insecure leader does.

 

[Kanon]

- Character emotional behaviour is befuddling ... Why doesn't Kyle suffer from PTSD? How is Sarah so socially-adjusted given that she was raised by a machine?

Agreed to that, I hated how out of character everybody seemed, in relation to T1 Kyle and T2 Sarah (not the same character, but still should be at least similar to post Terminator Sarah). Everyone acted like some YA adaptation... Kyle Reese was always angry and scared, he didn't have time for snappy remarks.

From the start, I felt alienated that they outright ignored T3. It's far from perfect, but it is still decent, and could have been kept as canon if you are gonna make a major retcon anyway. Even Bryan Singer take X3 into account.

And above everything that doesn't make any sense as pointed by everyone, did I miss something, or it was never explained...

Spoiler

Who changed everything by sending the Terminators to kill/protect young Sarah? That's the major point of divergence in this new timeline, it is stated as a big mistery (whoever did, erased the info from Pops), and it's never revealed? That's the big mistery of the movie! the whole plot stands on that and nothing?

Edit: And the plot it's a lot in the vein of The Sarah Connor Chronicles, wich gets all the hate and gets cancelled even with better acting and TV budget?

 

[DA_Champion]

Kanon,

When asked about that, Pops answers that it's classified.

lol.

 

[Jay Beezy]

I can answer this for you.

In the original T2 script, it's stated that the original T-800 and the T-1000 were both sent back at the same time (to different time periods), right before Skynet lost the war and the resistance captured the Time Displacement Equipment. Same with Kyle Reese and the reprogrammed T-800, from T2. After John sent Kyle back to 1984, he sent Uncle Bob back to protect himself as a child, from the T-1000 and then they blew the place up (as Reese stated in the original).

This all took place in 2029 (at the end of the war).


T3 is where they changed the details. That T-800 and the T-X came from 2032 (where the war was still ongoing) and the T-800 wasn't sent back by John but by Kate Connor.

As usual though, ignore T3.

Kyle Reese must not have known about Uncle Bob and reprogrammed T-800s as he said he was unaware of the T-800's appearance.

 

[titansupes]

In the T2 novelisation (which is excellent, by the way) they go into the attack on SkyNet's base and everything. It's only after Reese and the original T-800 have been sent back that John and the Resistance discover the T-1000 was also sent back and decide to reprogram a Terminator to fight it.