Terminator: Genisys - Part 8

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The problem was though Salvation wasn't very good and flopped, so people thought the series wouldn't be successful without Arnold. In a way they have been proved right as Genysis made more than Salvation world wide.

You are correct in the box office numbers. No doubt about that. I know we cannot all be happy. I may never and probably will never get the Terminator movie(s) that I want and that's okay. But I'll take Salvation over T3 and Genisys any day of the week.

Right now my biggest question is where do they go from here? Will they continue with the "Genisys" Trilogy based on the mixed reviews even though it did do decent at the box office? will they try to start fresh again? or will this be the end of Terminator?
 
You are correct in the box office numbers. No doubt about that. I know we cannot all be happy. I may never and probably will never get the Terminator movie(s) that I want and that's okay. But I'll take Salvation over T3 and Genisys any day of the week.

Right now my biggest question is where do they go from here? Will they continue with the "Genisys" Trilogy based on the mixed reviews even though it did do decent at the box office? will they try to start fresh again? or will this be the end of Terminator?

Personally I thought Salvation was a miserable failure, they got simple things in the mythology totally wrong, and seriously how do you mess up Christian Bale as John Connor? It's a match made in heaven and McG still messed it up. I prefer T3 and Genysis to Salvation personally.
 
Personally I thought Salvation was a miserable failure, they got simple things in the mythology totally wrong, and seriously how do you mess up Christian Bale as John Connor? It's a match made in heaven and McG still messed it up. I prefer T3 and Genysis to Salvation personally.

Yeah, I'm definitely one of the minorities here being a Salvation lover LOL I fully accept that.
 
Yeah, I'm definitely one of the minorities here being a Salvation lover LOL I fully accept that.

To be fair when I first saw it I enjoyed it. But it got quite a bit of the mythology wrong. The T-600's were very wrong, they were the first infiltration units they wouldn't be 9 feet tall. Plus Kyle says in the first movie you stay down by day but you can move around at night. They said the opposite in Salvation, those are pretty big things in the mythology to get wrong for me. Plus the movie didn't stand up to repeat viewings at all.
 
Salvation just feels like a pointless tangent.

Like, there's no point to it in the broader narrative. It just tells this little side story about Marcus Wright, who is not relevant anywhere else.
 
Salvation just feels like a pointless tangent.

Like, there's no point to it in the broader narrative. It just tells this little side story about Marcus Wright, who is not relevant anywhere else.

Not to mention Marcus died in the end anyway so his addition to the franchise was ultimately pointless. Though I liked the character and performance.
 
I guess it all depends on how serious you take what Arnold said in Terminator 3......... In Terminator 3 Arnold warned John that in the future he is killed by Arnold and it was his wife that becomes the savior.
In Salvation Arnold "Kills" John by stabbing him through the heart. Marcus makes the ultimate Sacrifice by giving up his heart to John in which John's wife does the heart transplant surgery becoming the "savior" by saving John Connor to fight another day. That's how I took it.

"No fate but what we make" Sara Connor
 
Finally watched the film a couple of weeks ago.

5/10

Ultimately forgettable, final battle was pretty cool though, it was stylish.
 
Genisys was terrible, still am very curious for a sequel though. It's like a trainwreck, you can't stop looking at it and being fascinated by how terrible it can get. Watched Salvation once, various years ago, don't realy remember finding it as bad as most seem to find it, so far, i think Genisys is the worst one.

Anyway, while the franchise should just be left alone, there are two ways a studio could make another decent instalment:

1- A sequel to the original two film set during the end of the war, as John Connor and Kyle Reese face their final decision, possibly with flashbacks of how they met. Would just be a final story to go full circle;
2- This would probably anger many fans, but a complete reboot that just takes the plot of the first film and incorporates stuff Cameron had to leave for 2, like the characters trying to destroy Skynet before it's created, wouldn't be that hard to pull off and might kick-start a new film series. This way you would have a more coherent plot than the past 3 films and it would give them the oportunity to rebrand and move on without Schwarzenegger.

Anyway, 2019 is when Cameron gets the rights back, i guess it's safe to say that once that happens, there probably won't be any new Terminator film in a looong while, if it even happens.
 
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The only thing I liked in Genysis was Matt Smith's potential as a villain in future movies, given how little we saw about him.

I would have to say if I was forced to sit down and watch a terminator film post T2 it would have to be salvation since they at least tried to do something different form the usual formula.
 
I guess it all depends on how serious you take what Arnold said in Terminator 3......... In Terminator 3 Arnold warned John that in the future he is killed by Arnold and it was his wife that becomes the savior.
In Salvation Arnold "Kills" John by stabbing him through the heart. Marcus makes the ultimate Sacrifice by giving up his heart to John in which John's wife does the heart transplant surgery becoming the "savior" by saving John Connor to fight another day. That's how I took it.

"No fate but what we make" Sara Connor

The T-800 in T3 was obviously different to the one in T4 though, as the latter completely lost his skin and wasn't sent back to the T3 time period to protect John and Kate. Those movies didn't really follow each other at all.
 
The T-800 in T3 was obviously different to the one in T4 though, as the latter completely lost his skin and wasn't sent back to the T3 time period to protect John and Kate. Those movies didn't really follow each other at all.

Yeah I know he was a different Terminator, and even in Terminator 3 he didn't literally mean Him as in that particular Terminator but meant as in another T-800 but one with skin "due to his memories as a child" or something of that nature.

If you watch T3 and then Salvation you will see it does follow more than you think. I disliked T3 so much I had not watched it in years. recently watched it and Salvation again and picked up on some of the things such as the foretelling of Arnold's T-800 and a few other things that link the movies and etc.

But hey, whatever, I'm not trying to persuade you to like Salvation or anything like that. Just sharing my thoughts and opinions. If you haven't watched them in a while, maybe give them a watch and you will see some of what I am mentioning.
 
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2- This would probably anger many fans, but a complete reboot that just takes the plot of the first film and incorporates stuff Cameron had to leave for 2, like the characters trying to destroy Skynet before it's created, wouldn't be that hard to pull off and might kick-start a new film series. This way you would have a more coherent plot than the past 3 films and it would give them the oportunity to rebrand and move on without Schwarzenegger.

Yeh I would be totally up for a full reboot. It doesn't remove anything from the originals and it couldn't be any worse than the sequels we have been given.
 
Yeah I know he was a different Terminator, and even in Terminator 3 he didn't literally mean Him as in that particular Terminator but meant as in another T-800 but one with skin "due to his memories as a child" or something of that nature.

If you watch T3 and then Salvation you will see it does follow more than you think. I disliked T3 so much I had not watched it in years. recently watched it and Salvation again and picked up on some of the things such as the foretelling of Arnold's T-800 and a few other things that link the movies and etc.

But hey, whatever, I'm not trying to persuade you to like Salvation or anything like that. Just sharing my thoughts and opinions. If you haven't watched them in a while, maybe give them a watch and you will see some of what I am mentioning.

Well, no, the one sent back in T3 IS the Terminator that killed John in the future, this is stated by the T-800 in T3 clearly. He even says "I killed you" to John. Then he states he is reprogrammed by Kate Brewster and sent back. So again, the T-800 in T4 is not the one in T3 as the one in T3 is sent back after killing John and being reprogrammed.

So, sorry, it doesn't match up at all. And when making Salvation McG clearly stated he was ignoring T3. Not trying to be a dick BTW, just pointing out things.
 
Well, no, the one sent back in T3 IS the Terminator that killed John in the future, this is stated by the T-800 in T3 clearly. He even says "I killed you" to John. Then he states he is reprogrammed by Kate Brewster and sent back. So again, the T-800 in T4 is not the one in T3 as the one in T3 is sent back after killing John and being reprogrammed.

So, sorry, it doesn't match up at all. And when making Salvation McG clearly stated he was ignoring T3. Not trying to be a dick BTW, just pointing out things.

The people who said TS ignored T3 are full of it. In T3, John had a female companion named Katherine who would be come his wife in the future. In TS, John had a wife named Kate. Also, both T3 and TS utilize the nuclear power cells for the T-800 whereas in T1 and T2 there wasn't anything to suggest a nuclear power cell based on the T-800s' demises in the first two.
 
The people who said TS ignored T3 are full of it. In T3, John had a female companion named Katherine who would be come his wife in the future. In TS, John had a wife named Kate. Also, both T3 and TS utilize the nuclear power cells for the T-800 whereas in T1 and T2 there wasn't anything to suggest a nuclear power cell based on the T-800s' demises in the first two.

What you say is true, but the rest of T3 is completely ignored. They used a couple of things but otherwise ignored it.
 
Can anyone explain the symbolism of John Connor becoming a cyber minion for Skynet?

It's like Neo merging with the Matrix.

What are they trying to say about rebellion?
 
I guess I could look at it from a spiritual angle where the machines are God.

Maybe the Matrix could be the Garden of Eden and Terminator could be the Apocalypse.
 
I think you're reading more thought into it than what's there.
 
In fact:

The Matrix is Genesis.

Robocop is the story of Jesus.

Terminator is Revelations.

Perfect!
 
And Terminator: Genisys is Dianetics or some other bullsh**.
 
Ummm..so freakin Mike Colter for The Terminator in a reboot!

Maika Monroe - Sarah Connor
Ezra Miller - Kyle Reese
Mike Colter - T-800
 
It's just such a frustrating movie, there are so many really good scenes, like the first hour, and the finale I really enjoy, but the rest in the middle just brings the movie down so much. I can enjoy it as a popcorn flick, but a Terminator movie should be more than that.

It's a shame as this one had some emotional content at least, something Salvation didn't.
 
How many more times can you reboot this thing? Enough's enough.
 
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