Terminator: Genisys - Part 8

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah also it's not like Spielberg leaving Jurassic Park to others as that was work adapted directly from Michael Crichton books.

Terminator was as much Cameron's originally as Lucas was to Star Wars.

 

[dude stannis]

Means James Cameron and by extension 20th Century Fox will get them in 2019.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Yeah, If another film were to happen after the rights go home, It would be a Lightstorm Entertainment production and they'll be distributed by Fox.

For what it's worth, I'm not opposed to future films but I want the same type of quality, that films like The Force Awakens, Creed or Fury Road have achieved and more importantly they need to justify their existence.

If not, let it rest for good.

 

[Warhammer]

I want Cameron to get the rights back so he can finally put this bad dog to sleep. It all should have ended in 1991.

 

[Galactus10]

This being the last Terminator movie ever would be alright with me. It really just feels like something somebody on here wrote in a long post but then got the studio funding, Hollywood support and Arnold back thirty years later to actually make. I dislike this movie far less than Terminator 3 because that tried to be a legitimate story continuation of the originals.

Terminator Rise of the Machines is still the worst one to me because I wanted to take it serious. This movie was always was a parallel universe kind of fan fiction movie so even though some of the really dumb parts were eye-roll worthy, I just kept it in perspective and tried to remember that this couldn't really ever have any congruence with the first two as it made its own rules.

Salvation was overall just kind of lame, bad acting bad characters, bad designs and a poor Terminator future. At least Genisys showed a great depiction of the infamous time displacement equipment and showed the future war days with the same feel as fans have had in their minds for so long, even if the photography wasn't as bleak.

 

[TheVileOne]

Keep in mind that Cameron claimed he liked Genisys. So I wonder, let's say Cameron gets the rights back in 2019. Does he prevent more problem movies like this? Or does he allow other filmmakers to take a stab at the franchise while he is busy with the Avatar films?

 

[aNarcHy2day]

I sometimes wonder- if Cameron did have the rights this last decade, could we possibly have been living in a time where a Terminator movie and not Avatar was the highest grossing movie of all time?

 

[Jay Beezy]

Keep in mind that Cameron claimed he liked Genisys. So I wonder, let's say Cameron gets the rights back in 2019. Does he prevent more problem movies like this? Or does he allow other filmmakers to take a stab at the franchise while he is busy with the Avatar films?

There's another scenario. He could go back on his word and describe how he really felt about it and was only endorsing it to support his dying star buddy Schwarzenegger.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I sometimes wonder- if Cameron did have the rights this last decade, could we possibly have been living in a time where a Terminator movie and not Avatar was the highest grossing movie of all time?

Nah. Terminator is an R rated action franchise (at it's core). There's no way you can do those type of numbers, with an R rating but It can still be huge. T2 was huge for it's day. A MAJOR pop culture staple.

If Cameron and Fox were successful in capturing the rights back in '97, I do think a proper T3 with Cameron, Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton would have definitely happened and would have been his next film after Titanic.

Once that didn't happen, that's when he washed his hands of it and moved on.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Nah. Terminator is an R rated action franchise (at it's core). There's no way you can do those type of numbers, with an R rating but It can still be huge. T2 was huge for it's day. A MAJOR pop culture staple.

If Cameron and Fox were successful in capturing the rights back in '97, I do think a proper T3 with Cameron, Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton would have definitely happened and would have been his next film after Titanic.

Once that didn't happen, that's when he washed his hands of it and moved on.

Hamilton wouldn't have come back to work with Cameron then.

 

[Galactus10]

Was there any script spec or rumors on how a potential T3 with Cameron would have been done? Did he have any ideas or specs that are factually out there or known besides hearsay?

I would be interested in knowing how Cameron woud have approached a T3

 

[Jay Beezy]

Was there any script spec or rumors on how a potential T3 with Cameron would have been done? Did he have any ideas or specs that are factually out there or known besides hearsay?

I would be interested in knowing how Cameron woud have approached a T3

The writers of T3 said their original idea was a bad buy Terminatorized John Connor like Genisys, where a heroic Arnold was sent back to to terminate him and the T-X was there to protect him. But the studio heads deemed it too radical and forced them to rewrite it in the vein of T2. They also said they were worried about the reception to the JD ending of T3 but were relieved it went over well enough.

http://johnbrancato.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-beat-twice-dead-horse.html

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Hamilton wouldn't have come back to work with Cameron then.

Not true, my friend...

(Straight from Ms. Hamilton)

“I think [director] Jim [Cameron] was pretty clearly not going to be involved with the third one,” she continued. “His partner had sold the rights to the third one. Then they came back to Jim, but it was so far along after the fact that he’d moved on. And I wouldn’t be involved with it if it weren’t Jim Cameron. The third one was all right but it just didn’t have the heat and excitement that Jim can bring.”

http://www.mtv.com/news/2431605/exclusive-linda-hamilton-in-negotiations-for-terminator-salvation/

 

[Scarlet Spider]

The writers of T3 said their original idea was a bad buy Terminatorized John Connor like Genisys, where a heroic Arnold was sent back to to terminate him and the T-X was there to protect him. But the studio heads deemed it too radical and forced them to rewrite it in the vein of T2. They also said they were worried about the reception to the JD ending of T3 but were relieved it went over well enough.

http://johnbrancato.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-beat-twice-dead-horse.html

Those guys had nothing to do with Cameron. They were Mostow's hack writers. Nobody knows what Cameron would have done with another film. After he moved on, his official stance was that the story was done.

 

[Lynice]

Hello all, I'm new to this community and I was perusing this particular thread (yes, all 8 parts) and it was very interesting to see the different views and opinions regarding this film. Here are my thoughts:

As a fan of both The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgement Day, I can honestly say that (going into this film with an open mind) I was genuinely disappointed. I'm not going to list out my issues because a lot of them are similar to what others have already said. I will say that my main issue, even before seeing the film, was the casting of Sarah Connor. I decided to give the film a chance anyway because Terminator
Anyway, what I saw was NOT Sarah Connor in any concept of the character. What I did see was an attempt for Hollywood to make someone happen that should not happen. Just because some people think she's hot, that does not mean they should be cast. When my friend told me that both Brie Larson and Tatiana Maslany were considered for the role the whole experience became even more tragic.
Don't get the hate for Jai Courtney. He was given crap to work with and poor direction. Watch Felony. He can act when given the right direction and script to work with. Watch the newest Suicide Squad trailer. He basically stole it.
I've heard some people argue 'but Emilia looks like a young Linda Hamilton'. I didn't and still don't see it. Obviously if the casting directors were going by that, then Boyd Holbrook should have been cast as Kyle Reese, but I guess they only wanted to make sure that Sarah looked like a young Linda but Kyle did not have to look like a young Michael Biehn. Regardless, I was trying to imagine who I would have cast instead for the role of badass Sarah:

1.Tatiana Maslany
2.Brie Larson
3.Emily Blunt
4.Lyndsy Fonseca (Nikita and Agent Carter)
5.Lauren Cohan

That list took 5 seconds. The good news is, Brie dodged a bullet and got herself a Golden Globe and an Oscar nomination.

 

[Lynice]

In response to the news of Paramount pulling the sequels from their schedule in favor of replacing it with a Baywatch movie:
How badly did you eff up to get replaced by Baywatch?

October 2015: Further plans for future Terminator films put on hold indefinitely.
Skydance (in an attempt to save face): "They're not put on hold, we just need to do some re-adjusting."
Paramount: "Yeah, take that disaster off of our schedule...replace it with the Baywatch reboot."

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Obviously paraphrased, but you get the point

 

[Nardz937]

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hello all, I'm new to this community and I was perusing this particular thread (yes, all 8 parts) and it was very interesting to see the different views and opinions regarding this film. Here are my thoughts:

As a fan of both The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgement Day, I can honestly say that (going into this film with an open mind) I was genuinely disappointed. I'm not going to list out my issues because a lot of them are similar to what others have already said. I will say that my main issue, even before seeing the film, was the casting of Sarah Connor. I decided to give the film a chance anyway because Terminator
Anyway, what I saw was NOT Sarah Connor in any concept of the character. What I did see was an attempt for Hollywood to make someone happen that should not happen. Just because some people think she's hot, that does not mean they should be cast. When my friend told me that both Brie Larson and Tatiana Maslany were considered for the role the whole experience became even more tragic.
Don't get the hate for Jai Courtney. He was given crap to work with and poor direction. Watch Felony. He can act when given the right direction and script to work with. Watch the newest Suicide Squad trailer. He basically stole it.
I've heard some people argue 'but Emilia looks like a young Linda Hamilton'. I didn't and still don't see it. Obviously if the casting directors were going by that, then Boyd Holbrook should have been cast as Kyle Reese, but I guess they only wanted to make sure that Sarah looked like a young Linda but Kyle did not have to look like a young Michael Biehn. Regardless, I was trying to imagine who I would have cast instead for the role of badass Sarah:

1.Tatiana Maslany
2.Brie Larson
3.Emily Blunt
4.Lyndsy Fonseca (Nikita and Agent Carter)
5.Lauren Cohan

That list took 5 seconds. The good news is, Brie dodged a bullet and got herself a Golden Globe and an Oscar nomination.

The writing didn't do either actor any favors. These were bland sitcomy versions of Reese and Sarah. I do not think that Emilia Clarke's acting was poor, her actual acting was decent to me. I wouldn't whine if she were cast in a movie that I wanted to see in the right role. Even though the writing was not the best, it seemed like they were going for a mixture of the Terminator and T2 Sarah but leaning more T2 Sarah and Clarke just could not pull that off.

I liked very little about the production from the beginning. I thought Taylor was a poor choice for director, I thought the screen writers were wrong for the project and I thought the casting was dead wrong. And yet despite all of that I still gave it a chance because I have seen films that I thought were going to be good that sucked and I have seen films that I thought were going to be poor that rocked. Too bad this film fell more on the sucky side.

And oh yeah. Welcome to Hype.

 

[batfreakforever]

Still get the vibe that people want more of the same. Genisys produced something different which put people out of their comfort zones. Another movie will come eventually. It will get recast ed or hopefully continue with this one but you can watch all 5 and they all have a though line. It wasn't a reboot because it has
Arnold Schwarzenegger and the previous movies had to happen for this movie events to happen.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I definitely didn't want some generic PG-13 adventure film with cutesy bickering would-be lovers and jokes about how old Arnold's character is even though he is a freakin robot. If that's the "something different" that we are allowed then I'd rather the series be put out to pasture.

 

[chamber-music]

Genisys was more of the same. Much of the movie was a rehash/greatest hits of the previous movies. I don't think it was particularly original. Salvation had more originality than Genisys.

 

[psylockolussus]

I sometimes wonder- if Cameron did have the rights this last decade, could we possibly have been living in a time where a Terminator movie and not Avatar was the highest grossing movie of all time?

I don't think so.

 

[Kanon]

I sometimes wonder- if Cameron did have the rights this last decade, could we possibly have been living in a time where a Terminator movie and not Avatar was the highest grossing movie of all time?

IF instead of Avatar, they somehow managed to make a good future war movie, while PG-13, with the scope, and production value, and the visual spectacle of Avatar, with the novelty and quality of Avatar 3D, I think it is a big MAYBE. It would have been succesful and high grossing at least, I believe.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Genisys was more of the same. Much of the movie was a rehash/greatest hits of the previous movies. I don't think it was particularly original. Salvation had more originality than Genisys.

What's weird is that they wanted to do something bold with the John Connornator twist, which felt like pissed off true fans while simultaneously not doing anything special with that. They just kill him and ride off into the sunset as if it was no big deal.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^^
You mean the twist that was shown in the trailer ......