Terminator Salvation: Review Central

[dark_b]

Good review HR, this pretty much totally sums up my feelings on the movie also, I done se the harsh criticisms some people and the critics level at it, but I do see flaws in the movie, and the script. Overall though, like you, I thoroughly enjoyed myself.

i am actually more suprised that you gave this movie such a high rating

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Wasn't the machine detecting his heartbeat and body heat ?

Skynet could have fed him any kind of information he wanted to.

There was NO logical reason to keep Kyle alive.

It's more a case of them learning and evolving, they underestimated humanity and free will.

It should have calculated the INEVITABILITY that Marcus wouldn't play ball ESPECIALLY since it gave him absolutely no reason to do so. It could have won if it had taken even the slightest of precautions against this.

That Marcus rebels is not some freak occurrence via human will, its a mathematical certainty.

And that it set up a plan to destroy the Resistance by dangling in front of them a dues ex machina in the form of a signal, while luring in Connor with the promise of saving his father, indicates it had some basic understanding of human behavior

 

[dark_b]

Wasn't the machine detecting his heartbeat and body heat ?

It's more a case of them learning and evolving, they underestimated humanity and free will.

but isnt that what serena(skynet) told him n the lab? why they choose a hybrid?
they should know.

this brings me to the obvious fact that Skynet told Marcus the whole ''masterplan'' in a cliche way.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Exactly.

 

[dark_b]

was this the main skynet city that they destroyed in TS?

 

[Darthphere]

No, they're actually should be no main Skynet city.

 

[dark_b]

well i thought that through the movie they made it look like if they destroy it that it would be almost over. they destroy it and then at the end connor talks like nothing happened.

teh ending was very anticlimatic.

 

[Eggyman]

I'm with Darth on this one. If Skynet's linked to everything then it should have no main base.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Skynet could have fed him any kind of information he wanted to.

There was NO logical reason to keep Kyle alive.

No they couldn't, b/c for starters they weren't sure exactly what Connor would do and then to kill off the live bait is not how you hunt.

It should have calculated the INEVITABILITY that Marcus wouldn't play ball ESPECIALLY since it gave him absolutely no reason to do so. It could have won if it had taken even the slightest of precautions against this.

That Marcus rebels is not some freak occurrence via human will, its a mathematical certainty.

And that it set up a plan to destroy the Resistance by dangling in front of them a dues ex machina in the form of a signal, while luring in Connor with the promise of saving his father, indicates it had some basic understanding of human behavior

Basic knowledge and understanding of humanities will to go on in the face of seemingly impossible odds is not the same thing, they underestimated Marcus' human will vs his machine body.

but isnt that what serena(skynet) told him n the lab? why they choose a hybrid?
they should know.

this brings me to the obvious fact that Skynet told Marcus the whole ''masterplan'' in a cliche way.

No they chose a hybrid to convince Connor to trust him, that doesn't mean they anticipated they could control him once he knew what he was.

Personally I liked that scene.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Cheers AVE. Is there any confirmation that there will be a director's cut ?

Not confirmation as sorts, but McG has always been going on about how much deleted scene's there were so I can see one being thought about.

Sounds like Bond villain reasoning to me.

Why? Skynet isnt dead, so still has a chance to kill Kyle and Connor, it just didnt need to rush anything. It was so certain of its superiority, but it was proved wrong by human nature, which it couldnt predict or calculate for. I know the first movie line for line in my head I have watched it that many times, and considering all of that stuff. It makes sense that Skynet would wait until it had Reese and Connor on death's door at the same time.

Kill Kyle and they're still going to show up. It could feed Marcus false information and data if it really needed him to believe Kyle was alive.

Kill Kyle and Marcus wouldnt return to Skynet, I dont see how they could feed him false information when his brain was still human,

And the idea that they created a sleeper agent with free will and NO WAY of shutting him down is ludicrous. Its past the point of sloppy planning for the supposedly calculating Skynet.

I'm sure they did have a way of shutting him down, but Marcus ripped the chip out the back of his head if you remember.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i am actually more suprised that you gave this movie such a high rating

Well I am a HUGE Terminator fan, I know the first movie in my head line-for-line and scene for scene I have watched it that many times. Seeing things I have waited so to see was just awesome to me. Plus, again, I think critics were WAY to harsh on it.

 

[dark_b]

Well I am a HUGE Terminator fan, I know the first movie in my head line-for-line and scene for scene I have watched it that many times. Seeing things I have waited so to see was just awesome to me. Plus, again, I think critics were WAY to harsh on it.

i think a script that sets the story in the future in the war and doesnt make connor the main cahracter with an important story is an insult to a terminator fan.
what was hes story? to save kyle? where was hes character development?
no and no.

i dont know what critics wrotte because i dont read reviews

 

[dark_b]

i think the first insult was tha tthis was not Connors movie . Connors story. it was not about hes character.

the second insult was that it was PG-13. a war movie should not be PG13. a war movie with machines should not be.

the third insult was the T-800. he is a terminator. hes mission is to kill Connor. what he did was not logical.

 

[Alonsovich]

i think a script that sets the story in the future in the war and doesnt make connor the main cahracter with an important story is an insult to a terminator fan.
what was hes story? to save kyle? where was hes character development?
no and no.

i dont read what critics wrotte because i dont read reviews

It was "Connor's" story... it's just a buch of fanboys crying on the net for the ending that turned that upside down... that's why Marcus taught all those things to Kyle at the beginning. That's why he was all the time with Kyle... he was going to be "the" Connor... all the film built up to that... CHUD and AICN have a lot to say in this matter. They forced a butchering of the script... the producers did too for the rating... but this WAS Connor's story... and ended up being not so logical for a bunch of whining websites and money-hungry producers. Not McG. Not Jonah Nolan. Not Bale.

 

[dark_b]

It was "Connor's" story... it's just a buch of fanboys crying on the net for the ending that turned that upside down... that's why Marcus taught all those things to Kyle at the beginning. That's why he was all the time with Kyle... he was going to be "the" Connor... all the film built up to that... CHUD and AICN have a lot to say in this matter. They forced a butchering of the script... the producers did too for the rating... but this WAS Connor's story... and ended up being not so logical for a bunch of whining websites and money-hungry producers. Not McG. Not Jonah Nolan. Not Bale.

the origianal story was not about connor and was not connors story.

 

[Alonsovich]

the origianal story was not about connor and was not connors story.

Marcus is Connor in that story. Connor dies and his skin gets put on Marcus' body. Therefore he is Connor.

 

[Eric Brooks]

Marcus is Connor in that story. Connor dies and his skin gets put on Marcus' body. Therefore he is Connor.

which would've been horrible

glad bale saw that

 

[dark_b]

Marcus is Connor in that story. Connor dies and his skin gets put on Marcus' body. Therefore he is Connor.

hello mcfly


what has this to do with my post? he becomes connor at the end. through the movie its marcus story.

 

[Alonsovich]

which would've been horrible

glad bale saw that

I'm not that sure... if they had done that + putting Connor's brain in the endo instead of Marcus'... suddenly John would've become something much more awesome and at the same time paradoxical... I think it would've added much more conflict to the character rather than just recieving a heart in a transplant... Connor being a hybrid would've been much more interesting with the proper execution... and BTW... Bale didn't see that. He agreed to that rewritten script. The decision to change that would be more McG-Nolan than anything else...

 

[Alonsovich]

hello mcfly


what has this to do with my post? he becomes connor at the end. through the movie its marcus story.

WTF? It's not only Marcus' story... it's Connor's... because Marcus IS the savior Connor...

 

[dark_b]

WTF? It's not only Marcus' story... it's Connor's... because Marcus IS the savior Connor...

i am talking about TS. or does marcus become connor at the beginning?

 

[BestGirl]

Um, Skynet bombed humanity to hell because humans wanted to take it offline. It was an act of self defense. So, it would make sense to preserve what's left of it if it felt like it.

So humanity can make a comeback and take it offline again?

IMO it feels to much like Back to the future. time travel had some mistery IMO . i think it would be wrong to make it an epic action sequence and jumping around in time.

My first thought was that it sounded like BTTF too, but surely that can't be a bad thing!

At any rate, I thought that whole scheme would be a nice nod to the time traveling of the previous movies without sending John or anyone back to pre-JD.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I'm not that sure... if they had done that + putting Connor's brain in the endo instead of Marcus'... suddenly John would've become something much more awesome and at the same time paradoxical... I think it would've added much more conflict to the character rather than just recieving a heart in a transplant... Connor being a hybrid would've been much more interesting with the proper execution... and BTW... Bale didn't see that. He agreed to that rewritten script. The decision to change that would be more McG-Nolan than anything else...

But the whole point was to make Connor a voice on the radio. Connor was only supposed to be spoken about, never seen. They didn't put Connor's brain in Marcus' body. It was just Marcus emulating Connor. It would have been a terrible plot twist that would have made the first three films pointless. Unless you think that Sarah was called mother of the future because a robot ends up looking like her son.

 

[BestGirl]

^If John spoke on the radio in the original script how would they explain his voice change? How would the change in his build be explained to his squad?

 

[Deaths Head II]

I don't know all the specifics of the original script. From what I read, John's only role was to do the speech over the radio, which makes Kyle want to meet up with him. And then he appears very briefly and dies before being replaced by Marcus. The whole point was to keep John off screen and make the viewer imagine his legendary status. If Marcus was just a shell for Connor's brain and it was really Connor deep down, that wouldn't create the desired effect. We were never supposed to see the real legendary John Connor, which doesn't make much sense to me anyway because he can't be that legendary if he doesn't even accomplish what was supposed to make him legendary.