Terminator Salvation: Review Central

[dark_b]

I don't know all the specifics of the original script. From what I read, John's only role was to do the speech over the radio, which makes Kyle want to meet up with him. And then he appears very briefly and dies before being replaced by Marcus. The whole point was to keep John off screen and make the viewer imagine his legendary status. If Marcus was just a shell for Connor's brain and it was really Connor deep down, that wouldn't create the desired effect. We were never supposed to see the real legendary John Connor, which doesn't make much sense to me anyway because he can't be that legendary if he doesn't even accomplish what what supposed to make him legendary.

marcus would do all of this.
kyle in T1 would then talk about marcus. bad IMO

 

[Alonsovich]

But the whole point was to make Connor a voice on the radio. Connor was only supposed to be spoken about, never seen. They didn't put Connor's brain in Marcus' body. It was just Marcus emulating Connor. It would have been a terrible plot twist that would have made the first three films pointless. Unless you think that Sarah was called mother of the future because a robot ends up looking like her son.

It would give also a new meaning to the mother of the future... the terminator coming back to kill her also triggers the birth of Skynet, by finding the chip. Sarah has it's role in the birth of Skynet. John being a hybrid would mean she has a role in being the mother of BOTH parts of the future and not only the human one. I think it would've worked... at least much better than this one. The current TS despite having more Connor... well, it STILL built up to that point but it never came... it's all in the execution... ideas are only as good as they're executed. The rewrite wasn't all that smart with this plot point IMO.

 

[kane9321]

Guys, Lets just agree that this was a horrible, rotten piece of filth and just let this movie rot in hell where it belongs

 

[Alonsovich]

Guys, Lets just agree that this was a horrible, rotten piece of filth and just let this movie rot in hell where it belongs

I disagree...

 

[Nivek]

It wasn't that bad, I was just disapointed that it seemed rushed & condensed. The book had a fuller plotline.

 

[TheVileOne]

The original story idea was **** too. These sequels should have never been made.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

the original story idea was **** too. These sequels should have never been made.

qft.

 

[DACMAN]

Kill Kyle and Marcus wouldnt return to Skynet,

Why would Skynet need him to? His purpose was to get John Connor to come to Skynet so that Skynet could kill him. With Kyle dead, John is never born. It's what they wanted. It was his purpose, why would they need him to come back?

 

[DACMAN]

I'm sure they did have a way of shutting him down, but Marcus ripped the chip out the back of his head if you remember.

Ok, making it so easy to rip the chip out of his head was sloppy. Maybe they should have put it somewhere alot less obvious, and reachable to do when they had something that could turn on them. Or just have it shut him down when he pulls the chip out. Sloppy writting. The thing about sloppy writting is you always have someone defending it.


Oh, and love the avatar. Fricken awesome!

 

[Alonsovich]

Why would Skynet need him to? His purpose was to get John Connor to come to Skynet so that Skynet could kill him. With Kyle dead, John is never born. It's what they wanted. It was his purpose, why would they need him to come back?

Not exactly... John wouldn't be born... in another timeline. The current John would continue to exist, and would still be a threat for Skynet in this timeline. Thus Skynet having to kill both to elliminate the threat in the current timeline.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Not exactly... John wouldn't be born... in another timeline. The current John would continue to exist, and would still be a threat for Skynet in this timeline. Thus Skynet having to kill both to elliminate the threat in the current timeline.

If the time line isn't looped, then it doesn't matter whether or not Kyle lives or not in Terminator Salvation, since John will exist either way. The series always seemed to point to a looped timeline for me. At least T1 did anyway.

 

[BestGirl]

I'll probably be alone in this opinion, but I wish Cameron hadn't gone with the whole "there is no fate but what we make for ourselves" storyline. Terminator would be so much easier to understand if events are predestined.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I'll probably be alone in this opinion, but I wish Cameron hadn't gone with the whole "there is no fate but what we make for ourselves" storyline. Terminator would be so much easier to understand if events are predestined.

I kinda agree. T1 felt like it was a looped timeline, but T2 said that the future might be changed. And everything after that just got really confusing.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Why would Skynet need him to? His purpose was to get John Connor to come to Skynet so that Skynet could kill him. With Kyle dead, John is never born. It's what they wanted. It was his purpose, why would they need him to come back?

Because there is a possibility that killing Kyle in the past would not kill John today, like us, Skynet is confused by time travel and hasnt field tested it. So, like a computer/machine would think, it needed to make sure both were dead and the way to do that was to lure Connor to Skynet. In T1, it only sent the T-800 in a last desperate attempt to survive, as Reese stated, at this point the humans had won.

Ok, making it so easy to rip the chip out of his head was sloppy. Maybe they should have put it somewhere alot less obvious, and reachable to do when they had something that could turn on them. Or just have it shut him down when he pulls the chip out. Sloppy writting. The thing about sloppy writting is you always have someone defending it.

I dont consider it sloppy writing though, people keep forgetting that Skynet is a machine, it doesnt understand the human heart, or the soul, and didnt expect Marcus to rebel against its creator. Its also no coincidence that the chip in the T-800's was buried deep in their combat chasis. Because of what Marcus did perhaps?

Oh, and love the avatar. Fricken awesome!

Thanks .

 

[BestGirl]

I kinda agree. T1 felt like it was a looped timeline, but T2 said that the future might be changed. And everything after that just got really confusing.

Yeah, now that there are alternate timelines, does that mean there are multiple Kyle Reeses out there? If there are multiple Kyles, but only one past, does that mean if John sends Reese back Kyle could run into himself? Maybe John didn't have to save Kyle to exist in his own time.

Cameron should've set T2 in 1997 and ended it with Sarah failing to prevent JD. That would've been bold.

Because there is a possibility that killing Kyle in the past would not kill John today, like us, Skynet is confused by time travel and hasnt field tested it. So, like a computer/machine would think, it needed to make sure both were dead and the way to do that was to lure Connor to Skynet. In T1, it only sent the T-800 in a last desperate attempt to survive, as Reese stated, at this point the humans had won.

Skynet could kill Kyle and still use him to lure in John. They're not mutually exclusive options.

 

[DACMAN]

Wow. I cannot believe how bad this movie sucked.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Cameron should've set T2 in 1997 and ended it with Sarah failing to prevent JD. That would've been bold.

What would have been the point of that? The whole point of T2 was that future wasn't set and humanity could be saved.

 

[DACMAN]

Well then what was the point of one? It didn't change anything. They should have left it at one. It was perfectly wrapped up.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Well then what was the point of one? It didn't change anything. They should have left it at one. It was perfectly wrapped up.

T1 had nothing to do with changing the future (the theatrical cut at least). It was all about fate and everything Kyle warned Sarah about was going to happen.

 

[Legion]

Because there is a possibility that killing Kyle in the past would not kill John today, like us, Skynet is confused by time travel and hasnt field tested it. So, like a computer/machine would think, it needed to make sure both were dead and the way to do that was to lure Connor to Skynet. In T1, it only sent the T-800 in a last desperate attempt to survive, as Reese stated, at this point the humans had won.



I dont consider it sloppy writing though, people keep forgetting that Skynet is a machine, it doesnt understand the human heart, or the soul, and didnt expect Marcus to rebel against its creator. Its also no coincidence that the chip in the T-800's was buried deep in their combat chasis. Because of what Marcus did perhaps?




Thanks .

I agree. I'd also like to add that there is the possiblity that killing Kyle might have prevented Skynet's development. If he hadn't saved Sarah and helped defeat the T-800 in T1, the inspiration for Skynet may have never have been discovered. That's how I view the first movie. Reese's time traveling was responsible for both John Connor's birth and Skynet's.

I think your idea about skynet is pretty on. Skynet wasn't being stupid or lazy. It may have come to see itself as god like being though and it greatly underestimated it's human opponents. I see a similarity with Dr. Manhatten in Watchmen. He is this all powerful being that's lost touch with humanity. He says that compared to him the world's smartest man is no more than a termite. But that man devised a plan to save the world, where he couldn't.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I agree. I'd also like to add that there is the possiblity that killing Kyle might have prevented Skynet's development. If he hadn't saved Sarah and helped defeat the T-800 in T1, the inspiration for Skynet may have never have been discovered. That's how I view the first movie. Reese's time traveling was responsible for both John Connor's birth and Skynet's.

Also, Dyson says in T2 that the CPU from the first Terminator took them in new directions and gave them ideas that they would have never thought of. It's pretty much implied that Skynet's existence is dependent on Cyberdyne discovering the original chip.

 

[Carnotaur3]

This just came to me. And it might seem overly complex but... maybe Skynet wants to keep Kyle alive so that IT can send him back to 1984 to protect Sarah Connor.

Skynet knows that Judgment Day will always happen, and it also knows that without the Kyle and T-800 face-off at Cyberdyne factory, Skynet will never be (or never found). So ensuring both its existence and victory in the future, the only thing Skynet figured could work is luring and killing Connor in 2018 and keeping Kyle alive until 2029.

 

[Andreth]

Just watched this, Sam Worthington made this movie for me! , He stole the show, I can't believe I found Bale boring, annoying and flat, and I used to love him

 

[Deaths Head II]

This just came to me. And it might seem overly complex but... maybe Skynet wants to keep Kyle alive so that IT can send him back to 1984 to protect Sarah Connor.

Skynet knows that Judgment Day will always happen, and it also knows that without the Kyle and T-800 face-off at Cyberdyne factory, Skynet will never be (or never found). So ensuring both its existence and victory in the future, the only thing Skynet figured could work is luring and killing Connor in 2018 and keeping Kyle alive until 2029.

If they actually put that concept in the sequel, it might make this film easier to look back on.

 

[BestGirl]

What would have been the point of that? The whole point of T2 was that future wasn't set and humanity could be saved.

And it's the alternate timelines that make the Terminator universe so complicated. Like I said, I would prefer it if all events were predestined and everyone was just living out their role. The Terminator story would just make much more sense that way.

This just came to me. And it might seem overly complex but... maybe Skynet wants to keep Kyle alive so that IT can send him back to 1984 to protect Sarah Connor.

Skynet knows that Judgment Day will always happen, and it also knows that without the Kyle and T-800 face-off at Cyberdyne factory, Skynet will never be (or never found). So ensuring both its existence and victory in the future, the only thing Skynet figured could work is luring and killing Connor in 2018 and keeping Kyle alive until 2029.

If there is a sequel, and there probably won't be, I hope the writers address the plot hole. This explanation would suffice.