Terrigenesis

[The Question]

So re-writing the entire world's history and changing the fate and lives of every man woman and child isnt taking away their free will to you? Nobody in the world had their free will intact. Pietro took it all away when he alone decided how everyone on the face of the earth would live, how the world would work, who would be in charge, who would be alive (reed richards, proteus, charles xavier). I'm sorry but you're wrong.

He did not take away anyone's free will. He changed the world, yes. But everyone decided what to do with that changed world once it was there. All he did was give his father and many of the heroes their hearts' desires. It was how they reacted to having what they always wanted that shaped the world.

Magneto had the right reaction. There is no way what Pietro did was even remotely excusable. thats like saying if there was a single human being who was responsible for the holocaust, the hiroshima bombing, the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the slave trade and all the drug trafficking in the world it would still be forgivable because he had a troubled childhood.

Except Pirtro never did anything like that. He didn't commit mass murder. About four people died as a result of his actions, and he didn't even intend for them to die.

 

[Vanguard07]

I completely disagree. What Pietro did was more terrible. Yes he did take away their free will. He didnt give people the choice to choose the house of M life or their normal life. He forced his view on the whole world.

And he didnt give everyone their hearts desire. Was it the heart's desire of everyone to lose their entire lives? to lose every good memory they've ever had? to lose everything in the world imaginable only to have it replaced with some worthless shallow imitation?

Was it Charles Xavier's desire to be dead? was it Reed Richards'? Was it Ben Grim's desire to be a mindless brute? Was it the desire of every non mutant in the world to be oppressed, second rate citezins?

You're way off on this one. You dont think he did anything wrong when he RECREATED THE ENTIRE WORLD! That means that absolutely everything wrong with the entire world was entirely his fault. Everything. Every ounce of pain, every horrible event. every failing.

 

[The Question]

I completely disagree. What Pietro did was more terrible. Yes he did take away their free will. He didnt give people the choice to choose the house of M life or their normal life. He forced his view on the whole world.

He didn't take away anyone's free will. Yes, he changed the world. But he had no control over how the people reacted to those changes.

And he didnt give everyone their hearts desire. Was it the heart's desire of everyone to lose their entire lives? to lose every good memory they've ever had? to lose everything in the world imaginable only to have it replaced with some worthless shallow imitation?

Yes, he did give almost everyone their heart's desire. That way, they would be more complyant with the changes. So he didn't have to take their free will away. He didn't take away their entire lives. In fact, alot of their lives were intact. It's just that certain things they wished to be different were different.

Was it Charles Xavier's desire to be dead? was it Reed Richards'? Was it Ben Grim's desire to be a mindless brute? Was it the desire of every non mutant in the world to be oppressed, second rate citezins?

Of course not. But I doubt Pietro planned every change in minute detail. I'm pretty sure it was something simple like "make the world the way Magneto's always wanted it and give the heroes and villains their hearts' desires so they won't mess it up." I doubt he ever planned for Xaivier or the FF to die.

You're way off on this one. You dont think he did anything wrong when he RECREATED THE ENTIRE WORLD! That means that absolutely everything wrong with the entire world was entirely his fault. Everything. Every ounce of pain, every horrible event. every failing.

I don't think there was nothing wrong with it. I just don't think it's comperable to the halocaust. Pietro didn't plan out the new world order in intricate detail. He made big, basic changes. The rest was up to how we dealt with the changes. So he didn't take away anyone's free will.

 

[Vanguard07]

How is it you say he didnt take their free will when he took every last one of their memories and replaced them? he took away their histories and replaced them, he took away half of what made them who they were and replaced them. Any decisions they made based on their lives were irrelevant. They werent the same people making those decisions. they werent living the same lives. They didnt have free will they had a cheap facsimile and they didnt even know it. It's like if Xavier went into your head and changed every memory you had and turned you into the person he wanted you to be. Even if he thinks you would want it to nothing gives him that right. nothing makes it excusable. What he did was worse than the holocaust, worse than anything in history because of the sheer scale of it. THE ENTIRE WORLD!! Throughout it's entire history. from beginning to end was recreated the way he wanted. He raped the mind body and soul of every man woman and child that ever lived.

 

[The Question]

How is it you say he didnt take their free will when he took every last one of their memories and replaced them? he took away their histories and replaced them, he took away half of what made them who they were and replaced them. Any decisions they made based on their lives were irrelevant. They werent the same people making those decisions. they werent living the same lives. They didnt have free will they had a cheap facsimile and they didnt even know it. It's like if Xavier went into your head and changed every memory you had and turned you into the person he wanted you to be. Even if he thinks you would want it to nothing gives him that right. nothing makes it excusable.

He didn't change their entire histories. He changed small parts of them. He didn't map out their new lives in exact detail. He simply said "give them their hearts' desires." The situations changed. The descisions were still theirs'.

What he did was worse than the holocaust, worse than anything in history because of the sheer scale of it.

No, it wasn't. Not even close.

THE ENTIRE WORLD!! Throughout it's entire history. from beginning to end was recreated the way he wanted. He raped the mind body and soul of every man woman and child that ever lived.

No, he didn't. He didn't change the entire world's history. He change the later part of the 20th century. And he didn't "rape the mind body and soul of every man woman and child." He didn't control every change to their lives in exact detail. He just changed one detail. Magneto came to power. And gave the heroes their hearts' desires. That's it. He didn't control any details of the changes beyond that. He didn't intend for Xaivier or the Fantastic Four to die. What he did wasn't right, but it wasn't at all comperable to the holocaust.

 

[Wolverazio]

And just to step into the realm of friendly fire, that was the purpose of using Xavier. Xavier read the mind of every (or most) the heroes on the planet and that "told" Wanda what to give them (ie, their heart's desire).

So in a way, you could say that Pietro gave them the ultimate power of self-determination.

 

[Gilpesh]

Pietro is not evil. He is just a self-centered, short-sighted *****e bag.

"I want my speed back. I want my speed back, whine whine whine, b***h b***h b***h."