BvS That thing called MAGIC!!!

[LurkNoMore]

I like that idea of different sources of magic, I think I was 'pandering' to the "I want it explained" crowd by limiting it to one source...
The poll is basically, top to bottom goes from "It's just advanced science" to "It's unexplainable, so don't even try"...

(ah I see the tradition of my humour often being singular and understood by only me continues)

I thought the options were quite witty.t:

 

[Guts]

What kinda magic are we talking about?

 

[Fallen Angel]

What kinda magic are we talking about?

 

[Bren]

I thought the options were quite witty.t:

Thanks

 

[Mister J]

I would rather any elements of magic not be caught up with overanalysis or too much expository. We can have room for the unknown or matters beyond comprehension. Just address it with a sense of gravitas and play to people's imagination.

It's at more of an issue in filling out the proposed slate than largely on BvS: DoJ (God, I still hate that title).

 

[Airwings]

As others have said, it's magic, and magic can't be explained. If it can, it isn't magic.

Different sources? That depends on how different they are.
Anyone up for giving examples?

 

[Bathead]

Well, if I may use a few small examples from some role-playing games and fantasy novels, at it's simplest, magic as used by wizards and such usually comes from within the magic user themselves, either that or they can tap into a universal source of power(the aether), magic as used by clerics and shamans comes from their gods.
Also, Nature itself and even death can be a source sometimes.

 

[Gee]

Magic better be magic in the DCCU.

I want my Zatanna, zoddamnit.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Must magic or WW superpowers be explained?

 

[G.Godfrey]

Must magic or WW superpowers be explained?

Yes and it should be explained by Morgan Freeman in a 15 minute exposition scene with a 5 minute cameo from the ghost of Jor-El (Russ-El Crowe).

 

[Broseph44]

This is the real magic.

 

[Sun_Down]

This actually does raise a good question: how badass could the first lasso scene be?

Picture it: she snags a bad guy. The scene gets quiet. The score turns eerie. Something comes over him. He stops screaming. He stops struggling. He falls to his knees. WW slowly walks up. She kneels down to his level and asks what she wants to know. He sounds confused as he answers. He tears up as he speaks. The truth hurts him. He has to face what he's done.

I mean, they'll probably just make it goofy and make a joke about "the lasso of truth," but I can dream.

 

[roach]

All of that basically sounds like science though. Dude struck two rocks together and made fire and the scientist of the day gives this exact quote.
Just saying.

magic is outside the realm of science. Science can't explain magic...just like magic can't explain science.

 

[KillerWolf]

magic is outside the realm of science. Science can't explain magic...just like magic can't explain science.

I really don't know why it's so hard to grasp.

 

[Marvin]

magic is outside the realm of science. Science can't explain magic...just like magic can't explain science.

One doesn't know what science can't explain though. Suggesting something is outside the realm of science is like saying 'something from nothing is outside the realm of science' or quantum physics is something that can't be explained 200 years ago...etc.

I get that you are asserting a type of magic that has 'nothing to do with science', something different from the thor movie verse if you will. Not to hard to grasp to be honest. But your actual phrasing doesn't hold up to the idea of 'expending scientific understanding', magic and enchantment aren't demonstrably and absolutely beyond scientific understanding for sure for sure.
The 'scientists' of 180 BCE thought fire was magic and outside 'the realm of their science' about pushing a wheel faster makes it go faster. Who's to factually say pulling a rabbit out of hat is outside pocket dimension science commonly understood 200 years from now.
Again just saying.

 

[regwec]

Nothing that actually exists is outside the realm of science, because science is just the exploration of phenomena.

 

[The Guard]

I would rather see magic explored than explained.

 

[Wayne Bruce]

Speaking of magic.....http://collider.com/benedict-cumberbatch-doctor-strange/

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The mutha CUSSIN' pedantry that this non-issue brings out in some fans... By the Vishanti!!

 

[roach]

One doesn't know what science can't explain though. Suggesting something is outside the realm of science is like saying 'something from nothing is outside the realm of science' or quantum physics is something that can't be explained 200 years ago...etc.

I get that you are asserting a type of magic that has 'nothing to do with science', something different from the thor movie verse if you will. Not to hard to grasp to be honest. But your actual phrasing doesn't hold up to the idea of 'expending scientific understanding', magic and enchantment aren't demonstrably and absolutely beyond scientific understanding for sure for sure.
The 'scientists' of 180 BCE thought fire was magic and outside 'the realm of their science' about pushing a wheel faster makes it go faster. Who's to factually say pulling a rabbit out of hat is outside pocket dimension science commonly understood 200 years from now.
Again just saying.

Because are falling back on the mantra that magic is just advanced science...it's not. It's magic.
Magic is something that if you go a millennia into the future it still can't be explained by science.

and yes I have some difficulty in expressing it because we are trying to define something that does not exist with no real basis in reality against science. People cling to magic is just science we don't understand because we live in a science and tech world. It makes the unexplained easier to explain.

Magic can not be explained by science. One day science will be able to duplicate magic...like replicators on Star Trek but there is a big difference between science ability to create a cup of Earl Grey tea and a wizard being able to conjure a cup of tea. Much in the same way that the comics Storm and Thor are both able to control weather...Storm through her genetic gifts as a mutant and Thor through the magic enchantment of his hammer.

 

[roach]

Nothing that actually exists is outside the realm of science, because science is just the exploration of phenomena.

Magic doesn't exist.

 

[Enriquespy]

YOU Don't exist!!!

 

[roach]

YOU Don't exist!!!

I don't

 

[Superwoman Prime]

There's nothing wrong with magic being Arthur C. Clarke's "sufficiently advanced technology".

It brings the possibility of "magic" into our own reality.

 

[roach]

There's nothing wrong with magic being Arthur C. Clarke's "sufficiently advanced technology".

It brings the possibility of "magic" into our own reality.

I don't have a problem with it...but it shouldn't be the only magic we get in these films. I don't need to hear about quantum what-zits in Doctor Strange or Justice League Dark.

Why can't magic just be magic?