The 3 H's: What's REALLY Going On Here?

[ntcrawler]

Okay, well I'm glad you liked that line.

As for the cure, well I noticed Dr Rao saying 'the transformation can be a little jarring' to Angel, and wondered how she knew that. Was she basing it on seeing Beast's stunned reaction at Alcatraz?

I suppose being strapped into a gurney and having Rao approach you with a giant needle would be jarring. Beast wasn't exactly jarred though, more like astonished. But later on we do see that taking the Cure is a relatively painful affair, what with all the twitching and jerking around on the ground.

Should there be a disclaimer? "Warning: taking the Cure may cause side effects, including nausea, headaches, mood swings, violent spasms and twitching on the ground, loss of extra limbs or appendages, or clinical depression from the sudden loss of superpowers. Please check with your physician or mutation expert first before attempting"

Or on lab tests on animals?

Eh, I'd rather avoid that. The last thing we want to see are animals with superpowers or telepathic rabbits

Since Angel was supposedly the first cure subject, I guess either of those must be the case. They moved forward swiftly with the idea of the cure when Magneto's intentions became clear, but they must have done some tests, as any drugs company does... I think the film could not have gone into this in huge detail, but a line or two here or there might have helped...

Yes indeed, especially if you suggest a line like "How do we know that the cure even works?" the truth is, we don't! If anything, Worthington Labs should have done some type of publicity campaign with a couple of "cured" mutants, showing before and after pics and how they went from looking like tormented freaks from the Twilight Zone to pleasant, respectable humans along with some dialogue of how grateful and happy they are. Imagine how tempting that would then sound to someone like Beast or NightCrawler.

 

[BMM]

I suppose being strapped into a gurney and having Rao approach you with a giant needle would be jarring. Beast wasn't exactly jarred though, more like astonished. But later on we do see that taking the Cure is a relatively painful affair, what with all the twitching and jerking around on the ground.

Beast isn't jarred much at all. In fact, little is shown regarding his character's struggle regarding the cure, save for a joke about his shedding on furniture and a glance at his arm. I thought they would have done more regarding his personal plight.

 

[ntcrawler]

Beast isn't jarred much at all. In fact, little is shown regarding his character's struggle regarding the cure, save for a joke about his sheading on furniture and a glance at his arm. I thought they would have done more regarding his personal plight.

I think the only thing that jarrs Beast is the fact that Leech is able to do what he does, not the consequences of it.

I remember from The Animated Series there was alot more conflict with beast regarding his mutation. wasn't there a scene where he was looking back at his childhood with tears in his eyes, remembering all the pain he went through as his mutation became more and more pronounced and he started looking less and less human? I thought that the idea of a Cure would help trigger some of that

 

[ntcrawler]

Will you let us see it once you're done? Pleeease?

Oh of course I'll let you see it! We're not writing this to keep it a secret you know!

I've already posted the first two scenes a while back in the rewrites thread and Vilya posted a graphical sneak preview of what you can expect from us in the Cyclops/Marsden thread. I'll also be posting things on fanfiction.net and on the rewrites thread of xmenfilms.net.

Would you be interested in being a beta-reader / proofreader?

Fajnie zobaczyc kogos z Polski na tym forum.[/quote]

Zawsze z wielka przyjemnosca szukam innych kibicow i przejacieli na swiecie

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The deal with Angel, I think he was just the first one Worthington wanted to use the cure on when it went public.

If you watch that scene, you'll see the line of mutants into the Worthington building to get the cure. The cure had gone public by this point, and Angel was the first one to be cured. It was sort of a statement to be made by Warren II. Angel wasn't a test subject.

I'm sure they had done some testing by this point.

 

[ntcrawler]

If you watch that scene, you'll see the line of mutants into the Worthington building to get the cure. The cure had gone public by this point, and Angel was the first one to be cured. It was sort of a statement to be made by Warren II. Angel wasn't a test subject.

I'm sure they had done some testing by this point.

Then it probably wasn't good for corporate public relations for potential customers to see Cure Recipient #1 jump through a window and get the hell out of there instead of taking the Cure

 

[javon]

It really sucks either way some people say it. You say "People should stop complaining. The reason Hugh gets all the screentime is because people want more of him". So what? That doesn't mean you drop every character like Rogue dropped her powers. You try to figure something out. Not say this is also a HALLE movie when she barley had a meaning for the movie. Not say "Fans will be satisfied" when the mojority of them were pissed like Jean in a mental battle.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Then it probably wasn't good for corporate public relations for potential customers to see Cure Recipient #1 jump through a window and get the hell out of there instead of taking the Cure

Probably not

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

The tables are slowly turning, all the crap that has been said about those who loved the movie is now turning into crap talking about those who hate it. We are going through phases here. At one point you feel outcasted because you love it but now let's face it your bein outcasted if you hated it. Let's all just agree too this agree. This thread was a bad move on LS's part. Im not surprised.

Hello Gambitfire,

A bad move? I don't think so. I made a point and asked a question--one I believe warrants consideration. Yes, this thread addresses the core feelings of users on this board, but that is what debate is all about: a roundtable discussion of matters that are important to people.

Now, as far as all of this "loyalists" "sheep" name-calling crap you're referring to in your post--my thread didn't call for all that. Those are the games your peers are playing amongst themselves. People need to learn to attack the subject at hand without turning on eachother. "Names" are not necessary to get your point across.

I have yet to hear a valid point other than this non sense of jealousy and crap. Say something true and mature and ill respond. But stop basing our true feelings on your what your ego tells you.

Perhaps you misread my initial post? I simply wanted to know if others felt there was doublestandard in the way Halle and Hugh were viewed in comparison to the other actors--and if so what was fueling that differentiation. I suggested jealousy as a factor.

Now, let's not be naive and say that fans are without passions and jealousies for these characters. Anyone that has been on this board long enough knows I've campaigned for a long time because of my feelings for Storm--and my utter dissapointment with her development in this franchise. Therefore, if they had killed off Storm the way they did Scott I'd just as pissed, if not more so than some are about other "treatments". So let's not be coy and act as if fans are so uber "mature" and "true" that we're above feeling hurt or angered when our favorite characters are abused by studios.

Truth be told, jealousies are a factor. The extent of which that is true varies from fan to fan. And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that--such passions are what makes us FANS in the first place.

All I'm saying is--if you're wearing that shoe own up to it. And cut the piety.

You know...dont ask why people are so bitter when you once again throw out the "jealousy" card. I'm sorry, but stupid excuses like that is exactly that...an excuse.

I don't offer "excuses". I offer points.

And as far as I can tell from the comments of others here, such points appear to be valid. Now if you don't agree with my points, you are welcome to discount them. In fact, I actually want you to--that's what the thread's debate topic is calling for. In other words "What is your opinion on the matter?"

Now, if you don't have one, that's fine. But it would be a mistake to write off a person's inquiries as a "stupid excuse" when you have no counterargument to offer. Actually that's a cop-out in itself...which is another synonym for the term..."excuse."

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

WowI like how your singature about Lance Bassreinforces the apparent viability and predictability of homosexual stereotypical traits. Wonder how many nice gay jokes we'll get out of that one. Can't wait!

Hmmm...Well, I've had that quote in my sig for a few weeks now and I haven't personally read one gay joke in response to it. In fact, you're the first person to say anything about it to me.

Maybe people aren't talking about it because they are nonplussed about "the apparent viability and predictability of homosexual stereotypical traits" and more concerned about the X-Men's mutant traits. After all, this is a X-Men comic forum.

Let's stay on topic, 'kay?

 

[PoSeiDon]

HalleHughHate
What's REALLY Going On Here?

By Lightning Strikez!
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I can keep silent no longer.

I've been quietly perusing this board during the last few weeks, and I've noticed an influx of threads complaining about how certain marquee players in this franchise need to "go away". In particular, two of the reasons this franchise has been successful--namely Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry--seem to be the target of most of these "anti" sentiments.

Now, maybe I saw a different X1 and X2 than some of you, but it seems that Berry (Storm) is only just now becoming a real player in this franchise. Despite the way she was marketed before, she played a supporting character in the prior films. She was billed 5th and 4th in them respectively, and unlike others, never received an origin story, nor a role in any of the romantic plots. Even in X3, she did not carry Scott's torch in his absence...she played second-in-command to Logan. So as critics have agreed, not much changed in her role from X1, to X2 to X3.

Yet, according to some of you, suddenly Halle's become this huge "problem" that threatens to eat up all the other X-Men's body parts!?? How did this happen? It can't be *only* about her salary because she always made more than the other actors--despite her comparatively minor role. And it can't be about screentime because--let's face it--she wasn't really more visible in X3 than X2 sans more action sequences (and much of her stuff was chopped--as usual).

So when putting it all in perspective, what is really accounting for all the hate? To see my point more clearly, let's consider two of the other top actors who--for some reason--are not receiving similiar backlash, shall we?

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* Famke Janssen's character certainly has had a substantial role (especially as part of the romantic twists in all three films) and moved up on the casting credits (to Halle's former position)--yet I don't hear people stating that she's eating up everyone else's screentime--even though she's gotten the most character development of the X-Women.

*Magneto's (Ian's) role in each film was consistently huge. In fact, prior to X3, he received top billing over TWO Oscar-winning actresses, and had more screentime than both of them yet again in X3. Yet, no one is complaining about him eating up everyone's screentime. No one is saying "Do we really need Ian?" Hmmmm....

So what is the REAL problem here? Why the disconnect?

Could it be that people are bent out of shape because their personal favorite characters were not treated the way they preferred? Are some of us simply angry and venting accordingly, even though the character dynamics have never really changed in 6 years (with Logan still front and center with everyone else supporting him)?

I sense jealousy...and maybe even hypocrisy in some of these posts....but I could be wrong. Would someone care to explain it to me?

Right on the money! I agree with everything that was stated here.

 

[PoSeiDon]

Also lightening, some people dont like halle already because she is a black woman at the top of her game. They may not say it out loud, but some do feel that way. And to say that some dont is just being naive.

 

[XCharlieX]

Storm was best in x3 imo than the others. I dont know why folks complain. She showed a pov that was hinted from X2s "anger can help you survive" scene and then all of a sudden its exaggerated to "shes a *****" or something... you cant have it both ways. People are just impossible.

 

[gambitfire]

Hello Gambitfire,

A bad move? I don't think so. I made a point and asked a question--one I believe warrants consideration. Yes, this thread addresses the core feelings of users on this board, but that is what debate is all about: a roundtable discussion of matters that are important to people.

You made an assumption of many made up by what youv'e heard from a few.

Now, as far as all of this "loyalists" "sheep" name-calling crap you're referring to in your post--my thread didn't call for all that. Those are the games your peers are playing amongst themselves. People need to learn to attack the subject at hand without turning on eachother. "Names" are not necessary to get your point across.

This is exactly what im talking about we need to stop playing the victim card. And i mean both sides. Ive been attacking the subject at hand since day 1 but opinion is disregarded and retaliated by what someone doesn't realize is another opinion not a fact. Names are what your peers have been using as well neither side is innocent and you know it.

Perhaps you misread my initial post? I simply wanted to know if others felt there was doublestandard in the way Halle and Hugh were viewed in comparison to the other actors--and if so what was fueling that differentiation. I suggested jealousy as a factor.

Well I've suggested it's not jealousy. Why would it be. Her character was never that important before. All of a sudden she is? i think it's obvious her celebrity status had influence on this but im not jealous of that. I simply think it's unfair. Is it hard to believe ppl just don't like her because they don't like her acting not because it's jealousy?

Now, let's not be naive and say that fans are without passions and jealousies for these characters. Anyone that has been on this board long enough knows I've campaigned for a long time because of my feelings for Storm--and my utter dissapointment with her development in this franchise. Therefore, if they had killed off Storm the way they did Scott I'd just as pissed, if not more so than some are about other "treatments". So let's not be coy and act as if fans are so uber "mature" and "true" that we're above feeling hurt or angered when our favorite characters are abused by studios.

So then you understand where most these fans are coming from? So what's the problem? what more do you need to know If you already know the situation at hand?

Truth be told, jealousies are a factor. The extent of which that is true varies from fan to fan. And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that--such passions are what makes us FANS in the first place.

All I'm saying is--if you're wearing that shoe own up to it. And cut the piety.

Well there are peers of mine that are being attacked for disliking a fictional character you clearly stated there is nothing wrong with that yet your peers continue to argue that it's silly and immature.

Im a fan i dislike the character of Wolverine.
I love the character of Storm.
I hate the potrayal of Halle's Storm.

There have i owned up now?

I don't offer "excuses". I offer points.

And as far as I can tell from the comments of others here, such points appear to be valid. Now if you don't agree with my points, you are welcome to discount them. In fact, I actually want you to--that's what the thread's debate topic is calling for. In other words "What is your opinion on the matter?"

Now, if you don't have one, that's fine. But it would be a mistake to write off a person's inquiries as a "stupid excuse" when you have no counterargument to offer. Actually that's a cop-out in itself...which is another synonym for the term..."excuse."

My Opinion is quite simple.

Im not jealous of the Storm character im not Jeaolous of Halle. I just dislike her potrayal of what is supposed to be a strong female presence. And you know her characte suffered that loss due to the over exposure of another character.

As for the "stupid excuse" it's been basically said to me countless times, Should i assume i've been in one sided arguments?

 

[gambitfire]

Also lightening, some people dont like halle already because she is a black woman at the top of her game. They may not say it out loud, but some do feel that way. And to say that some dont is just being naive.

I think that's rather silly but it's your opinion.

It would be stupid for someone who's an X-Men fan ,a comic book that represents being different and of a minority, to be even a bit prejudice.

Then again ppl can suprise you.

Anyway i for one do not dislike her because of her "black Woman status" Hell i love black women they are my friends and even relatives(A plus to being mixed hispanic ), I especially love women like eve and The Queen, Latifah that is.

I simply just don't think she potrayed the Storm i have always known and loved, and i don't mean the accent like some ppl seem to think .

 

[no1phoenixfan]

Gambitfire you make a good point there.

My niece has even commented to me they could of picked a better actress than Halle to play storm because she thought that Halle can't pull off storm to her, after she watched all 3 movies, also she only watched the fox cartoon in the 90's, and never read, or reads the comics.

My niece then asked me what i thought of Halle portraying storm's charcter since i read the comics, and i told her i agreed that they could of picked someone better than Halle to portray Storm's character. It really has my niece upset that they didn't pick the right actress for the character Storm.

 

[Goddessreicho]

LS hit the target. Apprently it's ok for Cyclops to have a different personality in the movie-verse, as well as: Magneto (Nazti internment camps?, no kids,) Jean (wow tell me that it's magically ok for her to be a doctor when she never went to pre med, grad, or had her residency ever in any comic verse), Beast (not a friggin doctor?)...but none of this is mentioned if it is it doesn't have the hatred and the fury of Storm's "attitude". But its Halle's fault she had bad direction ALL THREE TIMES, and the crappy things she said was all her fault. (please not my sarcasm!)

The same goes for Wolverine. But apprently the character's crappiness is the fault of bad direction and crappy lines, but it has nothing to do with Hugh. (more sarcasm). Riiiiiiiight.

Now all of a sudden I see alot of backpeddling. "I never said I hated Halle."

Hahahahahahaaaa...But seriously, I am with LS on this. Why the double standard for Storm, and Halle. I would like just one response that ANSWERS the question. Or at least have someone who owns up to the doublespeak...

Edit: I've said this one hundred times, there is no way ANYONE could have rescued Storm's character. Not Angela, Sophie, Nonya...it would have had the same result. Singer would have kept her in a tight white shirt in the back doing nothing essential with the plot and having NO emotional impact to any character.

 

[The Batman]

actually, scott was pretty much like the comics version and magneto WAS in a nazi prison camp in the comics.

 

[Goddessreicho]

What, that's it. That's all the response you could think of. Nothing about the apprent double standard...your gonna let LS get away with being absolutely right unchallanged.

I'm shocked.

I would think someone would point out that it was a plot device for Jean to have a magic degree. I mean thanks to her "amazing bedside manor" it gave a lousy excuse for lust at first sight, and the crappy backbone of the series.

 

[XCharlieX]

I heard someone say magneto was too old in the films... psh lol

 

[no1phoenixfan]

Is it ok for Storm to be stuck up and snotty though? My niece loves Storm but she just didn't like her character in the movies because even with using her powers right in X-men the last stand, she just came off too snotty, to even like her, and she feels storm wasn't portrayed right. My niece loves storm because of the cartoons and yet she feels that Halle can't portray storm, and it wasn't the right part for Halle.

What is wrong with my niece having that opinion?

 

[gambitfire]

LS hit the target. Apprently it's ok for Cyclops to have a different personality in the movie-verse, as well as: Magneto (Nazti internment camps?, no kids,) Jean (wow tell me that it's magically ok for her to be a doctor when she never went to pre med, grad, or had her residency ever in any comic verse), Beast (not a friggin doctor?)...but none of this is mentioned if it is it doesn't have the hatred and the fury of Storm's "attitude". But its Halle's fault she had bad direction ALL THREE TIMES, and the crappy things she said was all her fault. (please not my sarcasm!)

First of all Cyclops was Cyclops too me i don't know i about you.
Second it's not like he even had enough developement or focus to prove himself.
Third A being a doctor has nothing to do with personality
Fourth same applies to not being a doctor.
Fifth yes i know direction may have done it, but she did get her shot in X3 and i wasn't impressed. Then again it may have been the way here character was written.
Sixth regardless i don't like her acting period.

The same goes for Wolverine. But apprently the character's crappiness is the fault of bad direction and crappy lines, but it has nothing to do with Hugh. (more sarcasm). Riiiiiiiight.

Are you blaming hugh here?
anyways.

Now of a sudden I say alot of backpeddling. "I never said I hated Halle."

i never did, care to prove me wrong? I dislike her it's not hate. Never did i utter the words hate.

Hahahahahahaaaa...But seriously, I am with LS on this. Why the double standard for Storm, and Halle. I would like just one response that ANSWERS the question. Or at least have someone who owns up to the doublespeak...

Your always with LS .
I answered the question again it's being disregarded.

Edit: I've said this one hundred times, there is no way ANYONE could have rescued Storm's character. Not Angela, Sophie, Nonya...it would have had the same result. Singer would have kept her in a tight white shirt in the back doing nothing essential with the plot and having NO emotional impact to any character.

You know this for a fact because?
If i recall sometimes when an actor or actress stands out as a character they tend to get an upgrade.

 

[The Batman]

What, that's it. That's all the response you could think of. Nothing about the apprent double standard...your gonna let LS get away with being absolutely right unchallanged.

I'm shocked.

I dont take this thread seriously at all...its just more complaining from storm fans about the treatment halle gets.....as if we havent been hearing about this for months now.

 

[gambitfire]

Is it ok for Storm to be stuck up and snotty though? My niece loves Storm but she just didn't like her character in the movies because even with using her powers right in X-men the last stand, she just came off too snotty, to even like her, and she feels storm wasn't portrayed right. My niece loves storm because of the cartoons and yet she feels that Halle can't portray storm, and it wasn't the right part for Halle.

What is wrong with my niece having that opinion?

Bravo!

 

[The Batman]

And have you seen what happens when people DO blame hugh? Wolverine fanboys get all defensive that you said something bad about the perfect hugh jackman