The 3 H's: What's REALLY Going On Here?

[Goddessreicho]

Just as much as there was nothing wrong with "Dr."Grey, or politician Beast, or washout charismatic-less Rogue, ball-less Cyclops, quiet Jubilee...see where I'm going with this.

None of these complaints manage to make their way in every other thread.

None of the actors are blamed for the mistakes in the character over and over. Just Halle. Hugh is gets to have the crappy script to slide on.

 

[XCharlieX]

Just as much as there was nothing wrong with "Dr."Grey, or politician Beast, or washout charismatic-less Rogue, ball-less Cyclops, quiet Jubilee...see where I'm going with this.

If people have issues with this, they need to just watch TAS or something. And no balls cyclops? Didnt that guy step up to Wolverine a few times? Not to mention the hurting he gave on the guards and Deathstrike at Eriks prison.

 

[gambitfire]

umm yea believe me ive complained about Rogue but i didn't blame the actress because she was obviously written that way. On the other hand Storm i complained about her not being big enough and when she became it i hated what i got.

Again Dr is a title not a personality trait.

Ball - less Cyclops? at what point? go on show me? When he cried over Jean was the only time i thought he was slightly out of character. But it's not like Wolverine didn't fall on the floor bawling over Xavier and Jean.

I havn't heard that much Halle complaining till this thread was made SERIOUSLY it was mostly Wolverine complaining so don't make it about you!

I don't like her acting i thought she might do storm well if given the bigger role but then realized i just don't like her acting. IS THAT SO HARD TO BELIEVE?!

I've hated Bobby since day 1 too but i never really cared about the character that much to complain. I happen to love the Storm character which is why i had such a problem with it.

 

[Goddessreicho]

If people have issues with this, they need to just watch TAS or something. And no balls cyclops? Didnt that guy step up to Wolverine a few times? Not to mention the hurting he gave on the guards and Deathstrike at Eriks prison.

Did you just mention the fight at the prison, where Cyke lost to Deathstrike and was kidnapped? Oh, you did. Ok, whatever. As for the guards, was that a one hit fight, like all other fights with henchmen in the action genre. Sure, ok again.

He stepped up to Wolverine, but Wolverine mangaged to weasel his way on top of EVERY situation, didn't he. No one could put him in his place. Wasn't it Wolverine who freed everyone at the Statue of Liberty? Wasn't it Wolverine who managed to salvage Cyke's glasses then, and at Alkali in X3 as well. Wasn't it WOLVERINE who remembered that Cyke died???

Is James every blamed for any of this, NOPE!

 

[XCharlieX]

Did you just mention the fight at the prison, where Cyke lost to Deathstrike and was kidnapped? Oh, you did. Ok, whatever. As for the guards, was that a one hit fight, like all other fights with henchmen in the action genre. Sure, ok again.

He stepped up to Wolverine, but Wolverine mangaged to weasel his way on top of EVERY situation, didn't he. No one could put him in his place. Wasn't it Wolverine who freed everyone at the Statue of Liberty? Wasn't it Wolverine who managed to salvage Cyke's glasses then, and at Alkali in X3 as well. Wasn't it WOLVERINE who remembered that Cyke died???

Is James every blamed for any of this, NOPE!

Well, its not cyclops movies so i dont know where you expect all of this not to happen, but i remember Scott telling Logan to stay away from his girl and wolverine looking as if he got under his skin as the door closed. He showed hes not afraid of him, and that shows at least for me that hes no wuss.

 

[gambitfire]

Post for Goddess

No Wolverine is blamed.

BUT NO ONE IS BLAMING STORM FOR HAVING A SMALL ROLE!!

WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!

IM BLAMING HER FOR HER ACTING ONCE SHE HAD A BIGGER ROLE!!!

As for her getting a bigger role her celebrity status had alot to do with that you don't blame someone for not having a big enough status but you can for having a big one . It just seems to work that way

am i getting through here?

 

[Goddessreicho]

Once I sorted through that sentence, I think so...

You are blaming Halle for a bigger role in X3 that sucked. Your saying that because of her status she's completely at fault for the suckiness and inconsistises.

So Halle does what she can to improve a sorry role, (that would have sucked for any one, prolly why it was turned down by others) and once again she is the devil for this. Meanwhile this standard does not apply to no other actor who has had character mistakes, inconsistancies, and pure plain crap-ness.

Yea, you got through real well.

 

[gambitfire]

Yes goddes that is exactly what i said im so glad you saw the true meaning of it all.

This is going nowhere with you goodnight.

 

[danoyse]

Is it ok for Storm to be stuck up and snotty though? My niece loves Storm but she just didn't like her character in the movies because even with using her powers right in X-men the last stand, she just came off too snotty, to even like her, and she feels storm wasn't portrayed right. My niece loves storm because of the cartoons and yet she feels that Halle can't portray storm, and it wasn't the right part for Halle.

What is wrong with my niece having that opinion?

Nothing at all.

The question on this thread addresses whether reports that Halle wanting a bigger role in X3 before agreeing to come back really brought down X3, like some people who disliked the movie have complained. LS was pointing out that while Storm had some more to do in X3, her role still wasn't nearly as prominent as Jean's or Magneto's, yet why aren't people complaining about their bigger roles in the movie?

Personally, I thought she earned the right to want a bigger role. Not because of her Oscar win, but simply because she's had very little to do in the first two movies. But I was surprised to see her supposed *expanded* role in X3 was still relatively minor compared to the other characters.

 

[gambitfire]

Well the movie was ment to revolve in part around Jean why would we complain if it's about her? Magneto is the main villain always has been, why would we complain about that?

Storm has been back seat for the past 2 movies for her to be front seat all of sudden without being important to the storyline seems out of place. If it was Scott or Rogue it would have been more understandable but Storm? IT just came out of left field. All the pieces fell perfectly into place but not for the right reasons.

Even with her bigger role yes your right it was still minor. compared to Wolverine's role anyways but too no one elses like you say "other characters".
(excluding important characters like Jean and Magneto).

 

[TNC9852002]

OMG..How did I miss this remarkable thread?

I've gotta go back to Page 1 and read these replies!

-TNC

 

[Ororocity]

Lightning Strikez you are so....cool. In all the threads I've seen you start it usually starts with an essay, where do you find the time??

Anyway, why do people hate Halle and Hugh, especially Halle? She hardly got good enough screen time in the last two movies. Hugh and Halle are always there because they are the most noticable actors and actresses.
I mean I never knew Anna Paquin until X Men1

 

[Goddessreicho]

I find it hypocritical that people never had a problem with Jean being a doctor, but Ororo is Headmistriss and all hell breaks loose. For goodness sake, she was the only one there able to do the job. The choices were Storm or "oh so dependable" Wolverine.

The argument is that "she stole it from Scott." Scott slipped into a dangerous depression, and to quote Xavier, he was a "changed man" and therefore was no longer qualified.

I mean it wasn't like the keys to the mansion actually meant anything. It was just HINO. Afterall, her real job as a field leader went to Wolverine, so why can't she have something. What did she get before, no backstory, no plot, no romance, no real importance, unlike any other protaganist character. For those who say that she defeated Dark Cerebro. She wouldn't have gotten in the room if Kurt wasn't there. So she can't even claim that for herself.

 

[BMM]

I find it hypocritical that people never had a problem with Jean being a doctor, but Ororo is Headmistriss and all hell breaks loose. For goodness sake, she was the only one there able to do the job. The choices were Storm or "oh so dependable" Wolverine.

The argument is that "she stole it from Scott." Scott slipped into a dangerous depression, and to quote Xavier, he was a "changed man" and therefore was no longer qualified. I mean it wasn't like the keys to the mansion actually meant anything. It was just HINO. Afterall, her real job as a field leader went to Wolverine, so why can't she have something.

Essentially, Storm isn't headmistress anyway. Xavier isn't dead.

What did she get before, no backstory, no plot, no romance, no real importance, unlike any other protaganist character. For those who say that she defeated Dark Cerebro. She wouldn't have gotten in the room if Kurt wasn't there. So she can't even claim that for herself.

Actually, Kurt nor any of the X-Men would be alive if Storm hadn't prevented the fighter jets from simply being able to blow them out of the sky. But in the end, Magneto saves them. All hail Magneto.

 

[XCharlieX]

For those who say that she defeated Dark Cerebro. She wouldn't have gotten in the room if Kurt wasn't there. So she can't even claim that for herself.

Didnt she fry toad? Yes. She did.

 

[Goddessreicho]

WOW, she took out Toad, after what three tries. And what made him go down, why the worst line in film history. EVERYBODY STAND UP AND CHEER!!!!!

 

[ntcrawler]

Ororo eventually becoming headmistress of the school? no problem

Ororo suddenly becoming headmistress of the school because everyone else just HAPPENS to be dead? Big problem

Scott slipping into a terrible depression? no problem

No one giving a damn about Scott's depression and Xavier telling people to essentially back off and that when Scott wants their help he'll go ask? big problem

 

[ntcrawler]

WOW, she took out Toad, after what three tries. And what made him go down, why the worst line in film history. EVERYBODY STAND UP AND CHEER!!!!!

What happens when this fan hears corny dialogue? Same as everyone else!

 

[ntcrawler]

What did she get before, no backstory, no plot, no romance, no real importance, unlike any other protaganist character.

And she still didn't get any of these things. Did anyone (I'm speaking about the rest of the cast of characters) actually give a damn that Storm was upset or hurting or cared about what she thought?

 

[XCharlieX]

WOW, she took out Toad, after what three tries. And what made him go down, why the worst line in film history. EVERYBODY STAND UP AND CHEER!!!!!

Oh yeah i forgot.. the force to complain is unstoppable

 

[weatherwitch]

I find it hypocritical that people never had a problem with Jean being a doctor, but Ororo is Headmistriss and all hell breaks loose. For goodness sake, she was the only one there able to do the job. The choices were Storm or "oh so dependable" Wolverine.

The argument is that "she stole it from Scott." Scott slipped into a dangerous depression, and to quote Xavier, he was a "changed man" and therefore was no longer qualified.

I mean it wasn't like the keys to the mansion actually meant anything. It was just HINO. Afterall, her real job as a field leader went to Wolverine, so why can't she have something. What did she get before, no backstory, no plot, no romance, no real importance, unlike any other protaganist character. For those who say that she defeated Dark Cerebro. She wouldn't have gotten in the room if Kurt wasn't there. So she can't even claim that for herself.

I agree 100% with most of your post. She did take out dark cerebro, and yes she needed Kurt to do it, but that was a defining character moment in the movie as well as symbolic as to what the X-Men are supposed to stand for. It's not supposed to be a one man show. It was a tremendous thing for her to trust Kurt to take her in blind. There was a damn good chance they could die. Did Jean risk going in? Scott? no. It was Storm, with probably her best line in that film. "I have faith in you."

That's the Storm I love from the comics. The selfless one, that even in danger remembers to help her teammates. That comment was deep. It gave Kurt the courage to blindbamf into the room, as well as showed that Storm paid attention to her fellow X-men and those around her. She never said, "Aw, save it" as Wolverine did.

When they went into that room she was clearly afraid, (another great moment when she placed herself in Kurt's arms and squeezed her eyes shut). But she went anyway. If that isn't a leader, I don't know what is.

I agree with the assesment of X3, but not X2.

 

[XCharlieX]

Oh the headmaster thing was something i at least agreed on. Good for storm

 

[danoyse]

I agree 100% with most of your post. She did take out dark cerebro, and yes she needed Kurt to do it, but that was a defining character moment in the movie as well as symbolic as to what the X-Men are supposed to stand for. It's not supposed to be a one man show. It was a tremendous thing for her to trust Kurt to take her in blind. There was a damn good chance they could die. Did Jean risk going in? Scott? no. It was Storm, with probably her best line in that film. "I have faith in you."

That's the Storm I love from the comics. The selfless one, that even in danger remembers to help her teammates. That comment was deep. It gave Kurt the courage to blindbamf into the room, as well as showed that Storm paid attention to her fellow X-men and those around her. She never said, "Aw, save it" as Wolverine did.

When they went into that room she was clearly afraid, (another great moment when she placed herself in Kurt's arms and squeezed her eyes shut). But she went anyway. If that isn't a leader, I don't know what is.

I agree with the assesment of X3, but not X2.

That's a good analysis. People are having a fit because she took over the school, but it's not like it was ever played out as something she wanted. Xavier was dead, Scott was dead. Beast suggested they close it. Wolverine certainly wasn't going to take anything over. Storm stepped up and took the role.

And the Professor isn't dead. If he returns to the school, she'd give him back the place in a second.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

And the Professor isn't dead.

(Nor is Scott)

 

[XCharlieX]

(Nor is Scott)

Hes dead at least to me. Phoenix is dead.. psylocke died right? as did quills, and callisto. apparently xavier isnt.. that was the only resurrection ill accept.