The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[Picard Sisko]

Well that's the same as saying Spidey needs Marvel Studios to revive him, lol.

Well yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. lol

 

[JKKS085]

As for the numbers in particular, I think it's interesting how one can seemingly jot down the approximate numbers for cap(sequel) and somehow paint that as some massive studio crisis. Only interesting in that these same/similar numbers are being championed in a very different light as of a week prior.

If I may, I think It should have something to do with the fact that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 cost 85 millions more to produce than Captain America The Winter Soldier and 90/100 millions more to promote.

And maybe, maybe it has something to do with the fact that CATWS is significantly improving over the previous installment in the franchise while we're discussing if TASM2 will be able to match TASM's gross WW knowing very well that it will make a lot less domestically.

 

[Spiderine]

People wouldn't root against an MCU reboot like they do against Sony.

People took the Spider-man reboot at Sony personally.

Just about everyone wants to see MCU succeed.

That wasn't what I was saying. I don't think people wish failure on it. I'm saying an MCU reboot wouldn't be as successful as the first go round with all audiences. Having to start from scratch again. Its hard to duplicate something that was never done before in the first place.

 

[Picard Sisko]

If Marvel did their own reboot then I think they could start by either giving him a live-action Netflix series (if the Daredevil one is successful) or first introduce him in another MCU film.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Picard Sisko, I remember when you were debating with me about my bad feelings about this movie in comparison to the other 2014 CBMs in the 2014 thread. Seeing you in panic mode with the rest of us is kind of funny

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Another reboot would be a mistake. Maybe have different series of Spider-Man like The Spectacular Spider-Man, Superior Spider-Man, Ultimate, that kind of thing, maybe with a different actor in each of them, meh I don't know.

I want Andy to stay as long as possible but Spider-Man ain't going nowhere. Sony's Sinister Six & Venom reek of desperation but at the same time, if done well, it could be really exciting.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I still haven't really given my real thoughts on the film, but you can only speak about box office revenue and its numbers in an objective fashion. The amount of money spent on the film is not very good, and I don't see the movie making enough money for sony. I'm very worried about the franchise right now.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Friday Report: 'Amazing Spider-Man 2' opens to $35.5 million, should earn over $90 million for the weekend.
http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/ama...-debut/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Mr. Dent]

If Marvel Studios did a "reboot" I'm pretty sure they wouldn't retell his origin but would just set the movie early in his career and maybe have subtle flashbacks, ala Casino Royale or TSSM actually.

 

[Picard Sisko]

If Marvel Studios did a "reboot" I'm pretty sure they wouldn't retell his origin but would just set the movie early in his career and maybe have subtle flashbacks, ala Casino Royale or TSSM actually.

That's probably what would happen. They are well aware of the criticisms regarding TASM1 and the re-told origin story so they wouldn't go there again.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

That is what it should have been anyways. You could still have had the budding romance and the Lizard as the villain. Hell, the parent stuff could've had more focus with Ben already long dead.

 

[Nemeres]

If Marvel did their own reboot then I think they could start by either giving him a live-action Netflix series (if the Daredevil one is successful) or first introduce him in another MCU film.

I don't know if TV would suit Spidey too well. At least as far as special effects, budget and general scale are concerned.

 

[Raiden]

If Marvel Studios did a "reboot" I'm pretty sure they wouldn't retell his origin but would just set the movie early in his career and maybe have subtle flashbacks, ala Casino Royale or TSSM actually.

There are already two Spider-Man movies within ten years that have dealt with Peter's origin, so another movie based on origin would've been an overkill. Just a montage in the beginning of the movie would be sufficient.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

If Marvel did their own reboot then I think they could start by either giving him a live-action Netflix series (if the Daredevil one is successful) or first introduce him in another MCU film.

Marvel is all about building up anticipation.

Having tv show previously would deflate anticipation which is probably why it's rarely done.

 

[Spiderine]

There are already two Spider-Man movies within ten years that have dealt with Peter's origin, so another movie based on origin would've been an overkill. Just a montage in the beginning of the movie would be sufficient.

They would probably do something similar to Incredible Hulk and just go on into Spidey's adventure from there. I can't see another origin film happening.

 

[Mr. Dent]

If Marvel Studios did a "reboot" I'd like to see a movie with both Gwen and MJ in it set in their first year of college, just a couple months after Peter is bitten by the spider, and the villains are the mobs of New York instead of one of the big spectacle villains. You can have Spidey's more grounded based villains like Kingpin, Silver Sable, Tombstone, etc involved and maybe lead up to the storyline where all the mobs are fighting against each other (the name of which escapes me...I think it's called Gangland?).

That would be a nice way to distinguish itself from the failed Sony films prior to it, making it a more "grounded" Spidey than we've seen so far as well as really going into the dynamic of MJ and Gwen for the first time and Peter's life in college.

There are already two Spider-Man movies within ten years that have dealt with Peter's origin, so another movie based on origin would've been an overkill. Just a montage in the beginning of the movie would be sufficient.

I wouldn't like a montage actually. I think subtle flashes or something in the movie would be a way more classy. Montages are really cheap and lazy to me.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

If Marvel Studios did a "reboot" I'm pretty sure they wouldn't retell his origin but would just set the movie early in his career and maybe have subtle flashbacks, ala Casino Royale or TSSM actually.

The biggest reason to reboot was to do a prper Gwen Stacy story arc.

Now that it's done there's no need to reboot again.

 

[Raiden]

If Marvel Studios did a "reboot" I'd like to see a movie with both Gwen and MJ in it set in their first year of college, just a couple months after Peter is bitten by the spider, and the villains are the mobs of New York instead of one of the big spectacle villains. You can have Spidey's more grounded based villains like Kingpin, Silver Sable, Tombstone, etc involved and maybe lead up to the storyline where all the mobs are fighting against each other (the name of which escapes me...I think it's called Gangland?).

That would be a nice way to distinguish itself from the failed Sony films prior to it, making it a more "grounded" Spidey than we've seen so far as well as really going into the dynamic of MJ and Gwen for the first time and Peter's life in college.

I wouldn't like a montage actually. I think subtle flashes or something in the movie would be a way more classy. Montages are really cheap and lazy to me.

And since it's set within MCU, we can have Easter eggs like Peter running into Matt Murdock or read about Tony Stark in the newspaper as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Friday Report: 'Amazing Spider-Man 2' opens to $35.5 million, should earn over $90 million for the weekend.
http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/ama...-debut/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

They are trying so hard to make this sound good. It is actually kind of sad.

 

[Picard Sisko]

The biggest reason to reboot was to do a prper Gwen Stacy story arc.

Now that it's done there's no need to reboot again.

But a reboot is inevitable. Keep in mind that "reboot" does not automatically mean "redo origin story." They can just establish a new Spider-Man in a new franchise, that's all.

 

[Mr. Dent]

And since it's set within MCU, we can have Easter eggs like Peter running into Matt Murdock or read about Tony Stark in the newspaper as well.

Yeah. They can also explain away Spider-Man not being known about in the MCU up to that point as him still being an urban myth like Batman and Peter hadn't started taking pictures of him yet. All his superpowered villains hadn't shown up yet and he'd just been taking out random petty thieves for the past couple months, like how he started out in TSSM, while the big time superheroes of the Avengers have been doing their thing and getting all the attention. They can make Spidey's films the tale of a random kid born in this "Age of Miracles" making his rise through the ranks of superherodom. Could be epic if done right.

Seriously, TSSM laid the road map on how to do the perfect Spidey reboot without having to tread over his origin. I have no idea how Sony flubbed it.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah. They can also explain away Spider-Man not being known about in the MCU up to that point as him still being an urban myth like Batman and Peter hadn't started taking pictures of him yet. All his superpowered villains hadn't shown up yet and he'd just been taking out random petty thieves for the past couple months, like how he started out in TSSM, while the big time superheroes of the Avengers have been doing their thing and getting all the attention. They can make Spidey's films the tale of a random kid born in this "Age of Miracles" making his rise through the ranks of superherodom. Could be epic if done right.

Seriously, TSSM laid the road map on how to do the perfect Spidey reboot without having to tread over his origin. I have no idea how Sony flubbed it.

I would love for that to happen. Sounds brilliant.

 

[Marvin]

They should abandon their plans.

and lots of people agree with me.

I could understand you blindly defending Sony if ASM2 was as run-away success but it's a disappointment critically and financially.

But you always blindly defend every studio for some reason. I hope you at least sort of commission.

'Lots' of people disagree with you as well. Lot's of people agree and disagree about a lot of things..Wanting sony to not expand into spinoff territory, is just another agenda in a long list of internet agendas as far as I'm concerned.

You came in with some prediction and then went on to assert what sony should do based on your 'math'. I'm just saying it would read 'differently' if you attempted to frame it as an uncertain possibility. Instead: "Yup sony should abandon all the plans I don't like them making, because this is how much ASM will make." Sounds more like wishful thinking imo.

That this film will gross less then the last is an interesting prospect I must say. I can see how what's happening can be spun as a critical disappointment but the same thing being said of the finances remains to be seen imo.

Lastly, I don't blindly defend anything. Nor do I blindly hate anything. I try to take what things are for just that. As for my optimism about all things. Not so hard. Started when I became a fan of all these things and wanted to see them all do well. At the very least it actually keeps me impartial when it comes to the spectrum that places hate on the left and blind faith on the right. Safe to say you won't find me out right hating or wanting any of these things to fail.

If I may, I think It should have something to do with the fact that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 cost 85 millions more to produce than Captain America The Winter Soldier and 90/100 millions more to promote.

And maybe, maybe it has something to do with the fact that CATWS is significantly improving over the previous installment in the franchise while we're discussing if TASM2 will be able to match TASM's gross WW knowing very well that it will make a lot less domestically.

Firstly, where are you people coming up with these production/marketing numbers? Honest question, cause I quite frankly haven't been able to find them

..."alot less domestically"? What constitutes 'alot less'? 30mill? 40...and is that what you are suggesting. Un

Secondly, Cap2's financial improvement over the previous film is commendable but that's like commending TDK's financial improvement over Begins(alot more substantial and with little inflation), without full appreciation for just how little Begins made.
Marvel's phase one films making as modest returns as they have always seems to be spun in a brilliant way I must say. Of course TWS made(a great deal) more than TFA. How could it not. There's a reason Ironman 2 didn't double Ironman1's haul in such a way, and the quality of the sequel is only partly to blame.
Just how close to 800 mill with Cap3 need to get for it to be received as a financial wonderment of a trilogy. Not doubt somewhere close to ASM's haul Ironically enough. The last Marvel Stuios hulk movie make like 250 WW, I'm guessing of they made a squeal that landed in the 500mill WW range..

TF1 made gangbusters, TF2 made a little bit more gang busters and TF made a little bit more. That's the blight of a consistently successful franchise. Last I heard Spidey 2 made less than Spidey 1
This sort of rhetoric keeps up and James cameron is screwed going forward.

Lastly, I find it odd how people support/dismiss OS money depending on the circumstance.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

For the production budget & marketing budget, they've been floating around but nobody has confirmed them, so yeah, all this conversation is kind of only talk. Let's wait & see at the end of its run what it does, and then what Sony does with Sinister Six & Venom.

Fact is, there's a lot of hyperbole going around, once we got SOLID & final numbers, then we can talk.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

If Marvel Studios did a "reboot" I'd like to see a movie with both Gwen and MJ in it set in their first year of college, just a couple months after Peter is bitten by the spider, and the villains are the mobs of New York instead of one of the big spectacle villains. You can have Spidey's more grounded based villains like Kingpin, Silver Sable, Tombstone, etc involved and maybe lead up to the storyline where all the mobs are fighting against each other (the name of which escapes me...I think it's called Gangland?).

That would be a nice way to distinguish itself from the failed Sony films prior to it, making it a more "grounded" Spidey than we've seen so far as well as really going into the dynamic of MJ and Gwen for the first time and Peter's life in college.

I wouldn't like a montage actually. I think subtle flashes or something in the movie would be a way more classy. Montages are really cheap and lazy to me.

What if it was a cool opening credits type thing? Like with graphic novel type visuals, reminscent of the scene in Harry Potter DH Pt1?