The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[DarthSkywalker]

I've never understood this. It's not the strongest element.

I think this is agreed on by most, at least as far as the first film goes. Now that it is gone, I wonder how it effects the series. Maybe it will free Peter up, because I felt the relationship was actually a problem in TASM 2.

I liked Emma Stone more than anything in the film.

Emma Stone's performance on The Tonight Show was legitimately better then this film.

 

[slimshady247]

Yeah, I know a lot of people think it's the strongest element, but I've never particularly thought it was great. It was definitely better in the first film though. And yeah, I think it was one of many major problems with the second film.

 

[grieven]

You can see where Sony is coming from though, Sinister Six & Venom make sense if they want to diversify the brand, it just kinda screams "PANIC ON BOARD". Fox with X-Men has plenty of superheroes, plenty of possibilities of spin off, Marvel is the king, WB has DC & plenty of possibilities as well.

Sony have......just Spider-Man. But they're gonna do their damndest to hold on to it.

I can totally understand why Sony takes such an active role in the TASM films, they have so much at stake. I don't blame them. I just wish whoever is overseeing the films at the highest level can ensure that the end product feels cohesive and not disjointed, which TASM2 feels much more than TASM1. A by-product of trying to cram so many storylines, character introductions and world building I'm sure.

 

[Spiderdevil]

What? Of course they interfered with Webb (and the writers of the film)! Why else would there be such a strong, forced Sinister Six set-up in this film?

My that logic Marvel Producers interfere with all their movie directors

The sinister six setup was like 2-3 minutes in the end

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think this is agreed on by most, at least as far as the first film goes. Now that it is gone, I wonder how it effects the series. Maybe it will fear Peter up, because I felt the relationship was actually a problem in TASM 2.

I agree. In TASM, they were much better because they didn't have a forced make-up/break-up. Like you said the other day, they went from being their own dynamic, and then devolved back to MJ/Peter from the Raimi films. In a frustrating way.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The scenes were cute and well done from a performance/chemistry standpoint but that kind of Peter Parker drama was obviously nothing new.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Oh yes they did. They had him make "TDK" then decided they needed "The Avengers".

Then during post-production, they added all the Sinister Six stuff to TASM 2. Too the point that they changed plot points, and character intentions in post. They made things Webb and DeHaan said wrong. That is how much it changed.

Nothing was changed in post production

Sinister Six was always the plan from the start

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Nothing was changed in post production

Sinister Six was always the plan from the start

There are interviews with actors that prove otherwise. Dane is seen claiming that the sinister six stuff were as sudden and surprising to them as it was to the fans.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Terribly?

Dude, is this game of "I loved it", "you're wrong, it sucks" going to happen in every thread on TASM2?

Grow up. If anything, you could just stop yourself for answering to stuff like this especially when I specify (for those who like it).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I agree. In TASM, they were much better because they didn't have a forced make-up/break-up. Like you said the other day, they went from being their own dynamic, and then devolved back to MJ/Peter from the Raimi films. In a frustrating way.

1000% correct imo. It bugs me to no end either, because I really, really liked it in the first film. Now I am kind of glad it is gone.

The scenes were cute and well done from a performance/chemistry standpoint but that kind of Peter Parker drama was obviously nothing new.

It was something new in the first film I feel. The second film was straight Peter/MJ from RAimi's films again.

Nothing was changed in post production

Sinister Six was always the plan from the start

So Webb and DeHaan were lying. So when Webb created and filmed the Rhino chase scene with the intent of Rhino creating his own suit and looking for a power source, he just wasn't aware of the plans? That they filmed DeHaan's Sinister Six set up scenes months before released doesn't matter? That they changed the Sinister Six scene weeks before release doesn't matter? That DeHaan said he was surprised too hear about the Sinister Six as it was never in the original script and didn't come up during the original filming, he was lying?

 

[Spiderdevil]

There are interviews with actors that prove otherwise. Dane is seen claiming that the sinister six stuff were as sudden and surprising to them as it was to the fans.

Can I get a link to that interview?
And didn't Marvel add the post credits scene in Iron Man 1 in post production?

Plus how will adding a 2-3 minute scene in the end have an out come on the film? It was terrible and disjointed, that scene hardly made any difference to the overall movie

 

[STARMAN]

I don't think anything about these last two films is anything new.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You're other friends sound like morons.

Not really - I don't blame them, the MCU is the real big deal here, and it is quite obvious that because of the MCU's success, Spiderman (being separated from it all) has lost his shining popularity. Iron Man is sitting on the throne now.

Sony is kidding themselves if they really think keeping the Marvel flagship character in his own universe will still output the same numbers as the juggernaut that the MCU is now.

 

[Visualiza]

I'd say Raimi/Maguire is basically an automatic win over Webb/Garfield now, if we're actually looking at this from an objective standpoint.

These films aren't getting worse reviews and not doing as well at the box office by magic/coincidence.

People have become far too revisionist about Raimi/Maguire just because of Spider-Man 3 without actually thinking about the studio interference and the general making of that film. Have we all just forgotten that those films were, at the very least, great in their time? I myself would say they're still both great now, and certainly better than the drivel that Webb/Garfield have produced, but yeah.

Yeah, I know a lot of people think it's the strongest element, but I've never particularly thought it was great. It was definitely better in the first film though. And yeah, I think it was one of many major problems with the second film.

So do I. Two things bogged down the plot in TASM 2 - the romance tug-of-war and the subplot involving his parents. Everything else, especially the villains and Peter's personal life, was sidelined to make room for these.

 

[STARMAN]

I think they started to rely on their chemistry too much and it can become overkill. I agree it affected the plot in the second film. But I still find their chemistry the strongest element in a series that doesn't have many strong elements.

 

[JC00]

And didn't Marvel add the post credits scene in Iron Man 1 in post production?

Only post credit scene in the MCU that was added in post production was The Avengers eating.

 

[Visualiza]

I think they started to rely on their chemistry too much and it can become overkill. I agree it affected the plot in the second film. But I still find their chemistry the strongest element in a series that doesn't have many strong elements.

Agreed. Sad that the implementation of it was both a gift and a curse. I'll always maintain that the Peter/Gwen dynamic as portrayed in this movie was a missed opportunity. They work so much better together when there actually have a supporting cast. I can't help but wonder how much more believable and entertaining this arc would have been had it included the tension and drama that went along with Harry, Flash, and college life in general.

Here, it really was just like Twilight, and every bit as monotonous and exhausting.

 

[mclay18]

It's funny, Sony is now acting like Fox under Rothman (and WB in the 90's) in the characteristics with which they are handling their properties. While Fox has impressed with how they left the directors alone in First Class and The Wolverine. Singer seems to be delivering his own vision with Future past as well. Having faith in a director's intent goes a long way.

Rothman's at Sony, but he is not in the position he was at Fox. He's running TriStar Productions, which specializes in mid- to low-budget fare for Sony -- but he's not involved with the main operations or input on big budget fare.

If anything, we need to place blame on Avi Arad for this.

 

[slimshady247]

My that logic Marvel Producers interfere with all their movie directors

The sinister six setup was like 2-3 minutes in the end

It's not just that.

Dude, is this game of "I loved it", "you're wrong, it sucks" going to happen in every thread on TASM2?

Grow up. If anything, you could just stop yourself for answering to stuff like this especially when I specify (for those who like it).

I know, I was just being a dick for the sake of being a dick, haha. I saw what you said in parentheses. Sorry.

And pro-tip: Saying "Grow up" is automatically inflammatory. You should avoid that in the future.

So do I. Two things bogged down the plot in TASM 2 - the romance tug-of-war and the subplot involving his parents. Everything else, especially the villains and Peter's personal life, was sidelined to make room for these.

You know, I had actually been enjoying the subplot with the parents as one of the few semi compelling, new/"fresh" things they managed to conjure up. It was ultimately wasted though, so it definitely didn't need to be played up as much as it was. They shoved way too much into the movie, that's for sure.

And thanks for the , haha.

 

[STARMAN]

I'm sure someone has already made OW box office predictions for the next film.

 

[InJustice]

If anything, we need to place blame on Avi Arad for this.

To be fair, do we have any proof that Arad is to be blamed for the failures in ASM2? It seems like people are on the bandwagon for the sake of finding something/someone to blame.

 

[samsnee]

I still can't believe this movie opened lower than Raimi's first Spider-man which had lower ticket prices and no 3-d.

 

[slimshady247]

To be fair, do we have any proof that Arad is to be blamed for the failures in ASM2? It seems like people are on the bandwagon for the sake of finding something/someone to blame.

He was basically the main reason that Venom was pushed into Spider-Man 3. He's been ****ing with the franchise since the beginning. It's not a bandwagon so much as the simple truth that he's at least part of the problem.

 

[STARMAN]

The original Spider-Man sold about 70 million tickets. Really remarkable.

 

[Visualiza]

I still can't believe this movie opened lower than Raimi's first Spider-man which had lower ticket prices and no 3-d.

After seeing it...I can believe it. Restores some semblance of faith in humanity.