Marvin
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I wasn't aware no girls watched Spiderman back in 2002. Like this recent catching fire, you don't open that big without 41% males adding to the box office. Only for someone to say, 'boys weren't there'. Big films need everyone to do their part.
If the movie was pleasing audiences, it wouldn't be performing the way it has. Regardless of how many more YA's it's supposed to pull in. Something I figured you would agree with.
Yes it is, I was looking at the Raunchy Comedy trends. Neighbors getting 53 female is listed as unusual. Supposing none of those females came from the potential ASM2 weekend crowd I'm sure.
I said they both faced competition. One film faced competition, the other film faced competition. Never said anything about similar or exact same/type/quantity, I said their respective numbers were both affected. Here's the thing with the current discussion, when it comes to the range involved with beating rio or not; that number quite literally falls in between 3 or so million. I also factor in that ASM2 would have done better this weekend had it faced absolutely no competition let alone a 50plus million dollar opener that vys for 'a portion of it's pop culture and young demographic'. How much better? perhaps 3 or so million. Now instead of no competition we are replacing the X in this case with Rio2.
You're fixating on 'quadrants' and such you aren't looking at what's infront of you. Let me take a moment to highlight another professional analyst who seemingly has my same embarrassing agenda:
You read that part about 'sucking up a healthy portion.."?
That's great that one is led by 60% males and the other led by 53% females. But it's about the cross over and how they affect each other for market share. Like I said, this isn't 12 years a slave, all your talk of 'different' demos does nothing to account for large a portion of the demos is the same. Let me guess that portion amounts to none? Or rather, none of relevance... If Neighbors opened with over 100million, I would hope the point would be made even stronger.
Hardly "Irrelevant"
I saw projections suggesting ASM would do better than it did actually. 40mill being the magic number. Google and I are close buddies and he's not finding me anything as it pertains to my parameters. I asked for trade tracking prior to the early weekend numbers coming in, ones with little to no mention of how strong Neighbors was doing/tracking. Ones that were seemingly solely based on the weekdays.
I said Neighbors wouldn't take away the kids and families, I also asserted that it could/would open as strong if not stronger than the 21 jumpstreet/ted ilk. My post was in response to his post.
As for the issue of what I'm particularly saying being somehow different to what I said before. Please please tell me where now I'm saying anything about Neighbors bringing in families and children. Cause before I said it wouldn't bring in families and children, and now I'm saying it didn't bring in families and children. Here's the original full post:
All I said there was that Neighbors wouldn't bring in familes and childred. Given the post he was responding to, I took what he said as inferring that Spiderman would lose it's audience(the audience that would spread the word of mouth about massive twist ending) as leaving for the R comedy. He's the one that brought up kids and families and I asserted that the kids and families weren't going to the R comedy out right. Looking at his post again I see now that's not exactly what he meant. He meant everyone else was attracted to the twist ending(not true) and he meant everyone but the kids/families would leave for Neighbors, to which end he was probably right.
However there is no contraction in what I said vs am saying. Neighbors didn't take any kids/families, which was my point all along. As for what you really trying to drive home: what I believe ASM2 is 'aimed at' that would be a wide range of groups, including but not exclusive to kids. Much like Ironman, whatever pg13 will allow, but that doesn't mean I think the film is 'aimed' at kids. I think rio is 'aimed' at kids. I've maintained that ASM2 and Neighbors are aimed at similar audiences with the latter lacking kids/families for obvious reasons, whereas the former includes them.
Furthermore I estimated that ASM2 wouldn't drop over 60% particularly due to kids and families not leaving and having lots to talk about. To which end the released numbers suggest I was right on both counts.
The only agenda I see going here is your relishing of this films detraction. "Win win" and all that if I recall a few pages back..
I'll leave it at this. You think Rio2 (did)pulled in more of spidey's audience than neighbors did. I disagree, particularly cause Rio2 isn't Monsters U/DM2 but rather a poorly reviewed lesser draw than those. I also think Rio's numbers would have been even lower then they were due to cross over. Bluesky has far better performing brands(such as IceAge/Horton), Rio2 might not surpass even it's so so predecessor and frankly the property itself lands very low on the animation charts. If the film was Planes(extreme example) the point would be more clear. If Rio2 took off like say lego movie, again different situation, I digress. As I currently understand, you seemingly think that ASM2 would have done worse against Rio2 than it did against Neighbors cause Neighbors has a different demo(regardless of it's success), my point being, if this was the Hangover2, all this talk of demos would be far less relevant in the face of 'mass success/zeitgiest. What you are saying to be falls far more in line with KungFu Panda's poor performance having far less to do with the Hangover 2 given the discrepancy is who those films are 'aimed' at. ASM2 isn't Kungfu panda however and Neighbors is very much a big Hangover like ranchy comedy hit.
We disagree, clearly.
