The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

That's $12 Sony will never see. Oh well...

You think I'm the only one who feels this way? Oh well....

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

This was the price of rebooting Spider-Man instead of just going with Spider-Man 4 or sticking to their original Spider-Man meets Twilight idea. The original Spider-Man franchise was a trendsetter, a gigantic and groundbreaking hit that had Hollywood desperately following in its footsteps. The cinematic adventures of Peter Parker were once trend-setters, but now they merely are followers, desperately trying to do what everyone else is doing but failing to establish itself as anything more than a pretender.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/05/13/the-price-sony-paid-for-rebooting-spider-man/

You don't hire Phil Jackson to run the Princeton Offense.

 

[JOE]

You think I'm the only one who feels this way? Oh well....

People may complain and b**** about these movies, but they all go see it. It's easy to say you're going to boycott something that's 2 years away. It's when you see trailers and TV spots and start hearing about it that the fanboy kicks in. I couldn't boycott a Spider-Man movie if I tried. I'll always see them no matter how bad they look.

 

[JKKS085]

I'm all about analogies. Passengers get to make the call, we're all the passengers as die hard Spidey fans. What would YOU do?

Wait 3 or 4 years, depending on the how long they can actually wait until they lose the rights, scrap the Orci/Kurtzman script put Parker in entirely different setting, like he just graduated from college. Stop recycling things from the old trilogy and worst your own movies. I am not entirely against the all Sinister Six angle but they really should stop with their overly cartoony vilains. Get rid of that Rhino embarrassment, bring in Mysterio/Shocker/Scorpion instead. And make them real fleshed out characters with themes and motives, make them real threats not some expendable vilains setting up for something else. Make a self contained movie, with a story that begins and ends within the limits of your screentime. Try to make something classical in tone, not over the top, not unnecessarily gritty.

These would be my advices.

 

[spider-neil]

Sony will start to scale back marketing in the US and concentrate on overseas. Advertising in the US is almost dead money.

 

[Spider-Fan]

People may complain and b**** about these movies, but they all go see it. It's easy to say you're going to boycott something that's 2 years away. It's when you see trailers and TV spots and start hearing about it that the fanboy kicks in. I couldn't boycott a Spider-Man movie if I tried. I'll always see them no matter how bad they look.

We're not the people Sony needs to worry about. It is the GA that are not as attached to the property like you or me that Sony is aiming to please. THEY'RE the BO majority. Sony has lost a fair amount of these people. That is why Sony needs to be concerned. The people less invested to Spider-Man are not going. The interest level just isn't the same. Do you here people buzzing about this movie in the streets? I don't. I felt the GA's enthusiasm pre-SM3. Here, it doesn't feel that way, and it reflects in the BO numbers.

Also, on the subject of fanboys, there is a difference between poster X seeing Spider-Man film once, and poster X loving it so much, he sees it 6 times. That 1 fan makes a difference of like 70 bucks. I saw Cap 2 5 times. I saw this 1 time. If fans don't like it, they don't get that repeat business. Once again, reflects in the BO numbers.

 

[JOE]

We're not the people Sony needs to worry about. It is the GA that are not as attached to the property like you or me that Sony is aiming to please. THEY'RE the BO majority. Sony has lost a fair amount of these people. That is why Sony needs to be concerned. The people less invested to Spider-Man are not going. The interest level just isn't the same. Do you here people buzzing about this movie in the streets? I don't. I felt the GA's enthusiasm pre-SM3. Here, it doesn't feel that way, and it reflects in the BO numbers.

Also, on the subject of fanboys, there is a difference between poster X seeing Spider-Man film once, and poster X loving it so much, he sees it 6 times. That 1 fan makes a difference of like 70 bucks. I saw Cap 2 5 times. I saw this 1 time. If fans don't like it, they don't get that repeat business. Once again, reflects in the BO numbers.

They're failing at making Spider-Man movies. The steady DOM decrease doesn't lie. If Sony was smart, they'd sell out HUGE to Disney/Marvel and focus on other smaller franchises. They're living in the days of SM and SM2 where the movies were well received and made a ton of money (for their time). Those times are over now, we live in an over saturated CBM market.

The potential money Disney/Marvel will make of Spidey being in the Avengers alone is enough to justify a HUGE price tag. Money doesn't seem to be an object for those guys...

 

[Atharun]

Honestyl I enjoyed the movies and would welcome a 3rd by Webb. i like the design and direction but I wouldn't mind a fresh set of writers. Also i think Spidey would do well and be very welcomed in a team setting akin to avengers. I can;t imagine a better back and forth than RDJ's Tony Stark and Andrew's Peter. That would be hillarious IMO if they ever got on screen together.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They're failing at making Spider-Man movies. The steady DOM decrease doesn't lie. If Sony was smart, they'd sell out HUGE to Disney/Marvel and focus on other smaller franchises. They're living in the days of SM and SM2 where the movies were well received and made a ton of money (for their time). Those times are over now, we live in an over saturated CBM market.

The potential money Disney/Marvel will make of Spidey being in the Avengers alone is enough to justify a HUGE price tag. Money doesn't seem to be an object for those guys...

I think it would be smart for Sony not to sell Spider-Man outright to Marvel, but to sell the license to him for a one-off Avengers appearance or something. Raise the awareness/cool factor of your series by showing him with the other Marvel heavy weights, and then benefit from the Avengers boost. Financially, that would be best idea for Sony. This way, they can keep making money off Spider-Man films. If they sold him, they'd make a large chunk at one time and then would make no future profit. That being said, if Sony wanted to do that, they need to deliver higher quality.

Like I said, when SM3 came out, everyone wanted to see this with me. I ended up seeing it 5 times because it felt like everyone in the world wanted to see it with their amazing best bud Spider-Fan. This movie, I saw it once and likely won't again. My family/friends don't care about these films like they did the prior ones. My brother, who is in England currently and loves comics as much as me, has yet to see this, and we discuss all these movies. Yet, he hasn't seen it yet. I'm not saying this in order to prove the last series was better. This is just illustrating to me that the enthusiasm for the character himself just isn't currently there. Sony needs to get that enthusiasm they squandered with SM3 onward back.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

People may complain and b**** about these movies, but they all go see it. It's easy to say you're going to boycott something that's 2 years away. It's when you see trailers and TV spots and start hearing about it that the fanboy kicks in. I couldn't boycott a Spider-Man movie if I tried. I'll always see them no matter how bad they look.

I'll check it out on Netflix, but that's it. What can I say? And fanboys are one thing, although I'd definitely argue that they are losing interest as well. It's the GA that make these movie's must-see events. That used to be the case for Spider-Man, far from it now. Sony's onslaught of advertising reeked of desperation and everyone knew it. But it only managed a 92 million OW. The character has gone STALE - creatively and for a large portion of the GA (and fans). Most of that has to do with the last three films. And we have the same studio and creative teams going forward, so from my perspective there is nothing to get excited about. I just expect a further decline across the board. The best thing that could happen to this character is having the rights revert back to Marvel and then kept on the shelf for a decade. But neither will happen, so it's likely that more people will continue to lose interest in the franchise going forward. When Sony is done with the property it'll be irrelevant. It pretty much is now compared to other franchises in the genre. It's a door mat franchise.

 

[Atharun]

I think it would be smart for Sony not to sell Spider-Man outright to Marvel, but to sell the license to him for a one-off Avengers appearance or something. Raise the awareness/cool factor of your series by showing him with the other Marvel heavy weights, and then benefit from the Avengers boost. Financially, that would be best idea for Sony. This way, they can keep making money off Spider-Man films. If they sold him, they'd make a large chunk at one time and then would make no future profit. That being said, if Sony wanted to do that, they need to deliver higher quality.

I agree on this completely. Sony should make some sort of arrangement for him to cameo in the Avengers or some Marvel project. I think Andrew would fit well with that cast. If he were to appear and interact with Stark and Cap (two of is biggest idols) as he does in the books, it would be a natural fit. I think that would increase his likability to GAs and re-awaken interest in him here stateside.

 

[spider-neil]

I still think a well recieved, new and fresh S6 movie would inject life into Spider-Man.

Cabin in the Woods scored 93% with critics (but only 73% with the GA) if Goddard if able to tap that subversive film making style of story telling and transfer it to S6 and the GA embraced the movie then it would create some excitement for when Spidey finally confronts them.

Spidey is tottering on his feet but he isn't down (yet) and franchises have come back from worse.

 

[Spiderine]

I think it would be smart for Sony not to sell Spider-Man outright to Marvel, but to sell the license to him for a one-off Avengers appearance or something. Raise the awareness/cool factor of your series by showing him with the other Marvel heavy weights, and then benefit from the Avengers boost. Financially, that would be best idea for Sony. This way, they can keep making money off Spider-Man films. If they sold him, they'd make a large chunk at one time and then would make no future profit. That being said, if Sony wanted to do that, they need to deliver higher quality.

Like I said, when SM3 came out, everyone wanted to see this with me. I ended up seeing it 5 times because it felt like everyone in the world wanted to see it with their amazing best bud Spider-Fan. This movie, I saw it once and likely won't again. My family/friends don't care about these films like they did the prior ones. My brother, who is in England currently and loves comics as much as me, has yet to see this, and we discuss all these movies. Yet, he hasn't seen it yet. I'm not saying this in order to prove the last series was better. This is just illustrating to me that the enthusiasm for the character himself just isn't currently there. Sony needs to get that enthusiasm they squandered with SM3 onward back.

Even if Sony and Marvel were pull such a momentous deal off the earliest Spidey could even appear to interact with them would be Avengers 3 which we are talking 2018 at the earliest. In the mean time what does Sony do with their projects? They have a film to release in two years. I don't think Marvel needs to make any deal with them because Avengers will be huge without Spidey. Marvel can let Sony tighten their own noose and choke until they are forced to give him up.

 

[TalismanRing]

I agree on this completely. Sony should make some sort of arrangement for him to cameo in the Avengers or some Marvel project. I think Andrew would fit well with that cast. If he were to appear and interact with Stark and Cap (two of is biggest idols) as he does in the books, it would be a natural fit. I think that would increase his likability to GAs and re-awaken interest in him here stateside.

I think it would be great to see on screen but at this point Sony should be paying Marvel to use Spider-man in The Avengers not the other way around since the financial benefit of his appearing will be benefiting Sony and his series and not Marvel. The Avengers will already make astronomical box office without him.

Then you have Arad who said just last month that Spider-Man would only appear in The Avengers if he was the focal point since he's the most important character. Delusional.

 

[spider-neil]

Also worth noting that Sony's Spectacular Spider-Man (IMHO) was the best small screen incarnation of the character ever. Disney got the rights for Spidey on the small screen and made Ultimate Spider-Man (IMHO) a dreadful animated series.

 

[spider-neil]

I think it would be great to see on screen but at this point Sony should be paying Marvel to use Spider-man in The Avengers not the other way around since the financial benefit of his appearing will be benefiting Sony and his series and not Marvel. The Avengers will already make astronomical box office without him.

Then you have Arad who said just last month that Spider-Man would only appear in The Avengers if he was the focal point since he's the most important character. Delusional.

It's only delusional if you no longer think Spider-Man is Marvel's flag ship character. An arguement to be made he is no longer the flag ship character but when you take into account all media, not just movies he still is Marvel's main man.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Even if Sony and Marvel were pull such a momentous deal off the earliest Spidey could even appear to interact with them would be Avengers 3 which we are talking 2018 at the earliest. In the mean time what does Sony do with their projects? They have a film to release in two years. I don't think Marvel needs to make any deal with them because Avengers will be huge without Spidey. Marvel can let Sony tighten their own noose and choke until they are forced to give him up.

I think Marvel likely will hope this happens. But, I think it would benefit Sony to try this in any case.

I still think a well recieved, new and fresh S6 movie would inject life into Spider-Man.

Cabin in the Woods scored 93% with critics (but only 73% with the GA) if Goddard if able to tap that subversive film making style of story telling and transfer it to S6 and the GA embraced the movie then it would create some excitement for when Spidey finally confronts them.

Spidey is tottering on his feet but he isn't down (yet) and franchises have come back from worse.

I don't think a good SS film necessarily translates to TASM's future success. The SS will mention Spider-Man, but it won't be ABOUT Spider-Man. For those people to comeback, they need a good film centered Spider-Man. Not his villains. That will only boost the street cred of the villains.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I still think a well recieved, new and fresh S6 movie would inject life into Spider-Man.

Cabin in the Woods scored 93% with critics (but only 73% with the GA) if Goddard if able to tap that subversive film making style of story telling and transfer it to S6 and the GA embraced the movie then it would create some excitement for when Spidey finally confronts them.

Spidey is tottering on his feet but he isn't down (yet) and franchises have come back from worse.

I think many people view the expanding Spider-verse as a desperate attempt to follow in Marvel's footsteps and remain relevant in the genre. And let's face it - it is! The problem is that compared to Marvel, Sony is seen as a light-weight imitator and their track record for the last 3 films is poor in comparison. Like I said, this franchise is now a door mat franchise, something for the bigger and better franchises in the genre to wipe their feet on. Sony has taken every bit of luster off this character imo.

 

[venom892]

After the gross of this film, I'd recondsider a Sinister Six film if I were Sony. Just have Drew do a rewrite of ASM4 and incorporate the Sinister Six storyline there.

 

[spider-neil]

I don't think a good SS film necessarily translates to TASM's future success. The SS will mention Spider-Man, but it won't be ABOUT Spider-Man. For those people to comeback, they need a good film centered Spider-Man. Not his villains. That will only boost the street cred of the villains.

if S6 kicked ass and the end credits finished with the legend 'Sinester 6 will return in ASM3' it's anyone's guess if the GA's response is 'yes' or 'meh'.

 

[TalismanRing]

Also worth noting that Sony's Spectacular Spider-Man (IMHO) was the best small screen incarnation of the character ever. Disney got the rights for Spidey on the small screen and made Ultimate Spider-Man (IMHO) a dreadful animated series.

Different creative heads and company objectives as regards animation and film. Jeph Loeb is not Kevin Feige. Loeb also pulled Earth's Mightiest Heroes for a dumbed down less popular version - Avengers Assemble - to sell more toys.

 

[Spider-Fan]

if S6 kicked ass and the end credits finished with the legend 'Sinester 6 will return in ASM3' it's anyone's guess if the GA's response is 'yes' or 'meh'.

But, the SS spin-off is coming after TASM3 by most reports. So, that won't effect anything until MAYBE TASM4, of which Garfield may be gone by. So, now the SS in TASM4 film (by this idea) might be hurt by the recasting of Andrew Garfield!

See what I am saying. The SS film just doesn't guarantee that the grosses will be up for TASM3 or TASM4. Also, SS won't make TASM type money. It is sure to make less. So much of the who makes TASM's BO numbers won't see SS.

 

[TalismanRing]

It's only delusional if you no longer think Spider-Man is Marvel's flag ship character. An arguement to be made he is no longer the flag ship character but when you take into account all media, not just movies he still is Marvel's main man.

Spider-Man has never been a core or pivotal member of The Avengers. He's more like a special guest star and even then it's how he reacts in relation to Steve and Tony that's the usually the main focus.

It's delusional if Arad thinks The Avengers as a film needs Spider-man more than he needs The Avengers right now. It's delusional if he thinks Marvel wants nothing more than to use The Avengers as a center piece for promoting more Spider-Man films they don't own at the expense of their other characters and series.

In the long run if Spider-man fails as a film series for Sony they'll get him back and do with him as they choose and make money than they ever would from the boost in already substantial merchandise sales they'll get from more sucessful Spider-Man films.

 

[Spooderman]

It's only delusional if you no longer think Spider-Man is Marvel's flag ship character. An arguement to be made he is no longer the flag ship character but when you take into account all media, not just movies he still is Marvel's main man.

The thing is, Disney cares more about hurting Sony than helping themselves. So they probably wouldn't pay Sony so use Spider-Man because both would benefit, not just Disney.

 

[spider-neil]

I don't think it is solely RT or WOM it's more whether something feels new and fresh and has a 'hook'.

Example; MoS is 55%, even if BvS were also 55% RT do you think this movie would make less than a billion?
The movie is critic proof and will make a shed load of money because no one has seen Batman and Superman on screen together.

Cap 2, critically acclaimed is coming out same weekend and even if that movie scores in the 90's RT it is going to get CRUSHED.

People put too much stock in RT. There are many factors at work with regards to a movie's success or failure.