The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[Erzengel]

Romcom or hardcore?

Sony's got the right plan, they just need a lot more character licenses.

Just like at the school dance, all the hot girls have been taken.

 

[Donut]

Romcom or hardcore?

Sony's got the right plan, they just need a lot more character licenses.

Sony & FOX will thankfully never get any more characters. The mouse wants their **** back

 

[Zarex]

Romcom or hardcore?

Sony's got the right plan, they just need a lot more character licenses.

It's become clear to me that if Sony is going to get this franchise back on track, they will need Disney/Marvel's help. And they may get it - Disney makes hundreds of millions annually from licensing of Spider-Man consumer products, and having their headline character relegated to "B" level status is bad for business. If Disney/Marvel received certain considerations - use of the character in Avengers films, a firm future reversion date - a deal could be made.

I like the idea of a "Spider-Man and the Defenders" team-up movie after the Netflix shows air, but Spidey's inclusion into the MCU via a Coulson or Fury cameo could pay off as well. Though Arad may pitch a fit, bringing Spidey into the Marvel mainstream is Sony's best chance to right this ship.

 

[Donut]

It's become clear to me that if Sony is going to get this franchise back on track, they will need Disney/Marvel's help. And they may get it - Disney makes hundreds of millions annually from licensing of Spider-Man consumer products, and having their headline character relegated to "B" level status is bad for business. If Disney/Marvel received certain considerations - use of the character in Avengers films, a firm future reversion date - a deal could be made.

I like the idea of a "Spider-Man and the Defenders" team-up movie after the Netflix shows air, but Spidey's inclusion into the MCU via a Coulson or Fury cameo could pay off as well. Though Arad may pitch a fit, bringing Spidey into the Marvel mainstream is Sony's best chance to right this ship.

Why would Disney help Sony ? Sure they make money from Sony. But they would make so much more money if Disney themselves owned the rights & they would have to share profits from Spidey being the MCU so even less money for Disney. Disney should make Sony want to give Disney the rights back. The General Audience knows by now the quality difference between a Sony & Fox CBM & a MARVEL Studios movie

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

2099 maybe a better story for a cable series.

Thankfully Sony does not have that option since Marvel owns the rights to anything TV related for Spider-Man now

It's become clear to me that if Sony is going to get this franchise back on track, they will need Disney/Marvel's help. And they may get it - Disney makes hundreds of millions annually from licensing of Spider-Man consumer products, and having their headline character relegated to "B" level status is bad for business. If Disney/Marvel received certain considerations - use of the character in Avengers films, a firm future reversion date - a deal could be made.

I like the idea of a "Spider-Man and the Defenders" team-up movie after the Netflix shows air, but Spidey's inclusion into the MCU via a Coulson or Fury cameo could pay off as well. Though Arad may pitch a fit, bringing Spidey into the Marvel mainstream is Sony's best chance to right this ship.

It's clear Marvel is the only company that can fix him right now but Marvel will gladly watch that ship burn before they make a deal with Sony. They already got them for the merch and TV rights last time and Marvel smells blood. Arad already stated the only way they would share rights with Marvel is if Spidey was the star of the Avengers which is laughable since Avengers are just about the biggest CBM stars on the planet right now.

I agree Spidey would fit in best with the Netflix shows but Sony will think that is beneath their character. As it stands Marvel will be fine with letting them dig themselves deeper into the hole they created and when the time is right they will buy Spidey back before too much damage is done. Sony can never really destroy Spidey's value since he has a cartoon that is popular among kids (even though it sucks) and is still one of Marvel's top selling comics. Once Sony inevitably ***** up TASM3 and whatever spinoff plans they have the time will be right for Marvel to get him back.

The good thing will be when Marvel has the rights they will probably be smart about it and rest him for a while before doing a soft reboot into the MCU

 

[los pollos]

Romcom or hardcore?

Sony's got the right plan, they just need a lot more character licenses.

Unfortunately for Sony, Marvel is unlikely to sell any more film rights for their characters to other studios . Spidey, X-men, etc... were licensed because Marvel was inches away from going out of business and needed the fast cash, but now, they are the second coming of pixar under Disney, and have no need to sell anymore character film rights to anyone since they could keep all of the profit if they made the movies themselves.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Why would Disney help Sony ? Sure they make money from Sony. But they would make so much more money if Disney themselves owned the rights & they would have to share profits from Spidey being the MCU so even less money for Disney. Disney should make Sony want to give Disney the rights back. The General Audience knows by now the quality difference between a Sony & Fox CBM & a MARVEL Studios movie

Actually to most of the GA they don't have any idea as to what studio owns what. In the GotG Facebook Q&A yesterday some idiot asked James Gunn if Mystique was going to be in the stinger. Sadly a lot of folks assume since they see the Marvel logo at the beginning it's all one and the same. I've had to correct numerous folks on social media about it

 

[Zarex]

Thankfully Sony does not have that option since Marvel owns the rights to anything TV related for Spider-Man now



It's clear Marvel is the only company that can fix him right now but Marvel will gladly watch that ship burn before they make a deal with Sony. They already got them for the merch and TV rights last time and Marvel smells blood. Arad already stated the only way they would share rights with Marvel is if Spidey was the star of the Avengers which is laughable since Avengers are just about the biggest CBM stars on the planet right now.

I agree Spidey would fit in best with the Netflix shows but Sony will think that is beneath their character. As it stands Marvel will be fine with letting them dig themselves deeper into the hole they created and when the time is right they will buy Spidey back before too much damage is done. Sony can never really destroy Spidey's value since he has a cartoon that is popular among kids (even though it sucks) and is still one of Marvel's top selling comics. Once Sony inevitably ***** up TASM3 and whatever spinoff plans they have the time will be right for Marvel to get him back.

The good thing will be when Marvel has the rights they will probably be smart about it and rest him for a while before doing a soft reboot into the MCU

That could very well be Disney/Marvel's position. But Sony and Disney have had, by all accounts an exceptional working relationship. And if the Mouse could cut a deal that provides them with more money now rather than later - and perhaps secures them the opportunity to have Spider-Man as the star of the Avengers franchise after the Big Three retire - they may be inclined to cut a deal.

 

[JKKS085]

Domestic box office adjusted for inflation

Spider-man............$503 million
Spider-Man 2..........$478
Spider-Man 3..........$389
ASM....................<$285---(it's not in top 200 all-time which ends at $285 million)
ASM2...................less than $220 for sure


ANYBODY who says these numbers are not disastrous is a liar.

The Amazing Spider-Man stands at 268M adjusted for inflation.
As for ASM2 at this point you can say less than 210M for sure.
Monday numbers show that it keeps performing like SM3 (in terms of drops and holds). I think 205M is the clear limit here.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

That could very well be Disney/Marvel's position. But Sony and Disney have had, by all accounts an exceptional working relationship. And if the Mouse could cut a deal that provides them with more money now rather than later - and perhaps secures them the opportunity to have Spider-Man as the star of the Avengers franchise after the Big Three retire - they may be inclined to cut a deal.

It will never happen. Marvel either wants the character outright in a buyout scenario or will let Sony crash and burn until the character has no value for Sony at which point they would let the rights revert back to Marvel. No way in hell do they make a deal that allows Sony any of all that sweet Avengers money. Marvel would be insane to split any amount of the profits with them

 

[chaseter]

The most substantial problem with the film's domestic failures is that it was supposed to lay the foundation for expansion sequels and spinoffs. They were investing in the bigger picture. Not only that but this film sets up something unique in the direction it was going. You don't all of a sudden start Maximum Carnage/Kraven Last Hunt story lines for the next film. The main story or theme is the ongoing Gustav/Harry, Uncle Ben unresolved death and Sinister Six setup. We were already teased with that. Do you all think it should just be dropped?

More importantly was Norman Osborn who was clearly being prepped for something bigger. They are basically stuck here.

They completely dropped Uncle Ben in ASM2 so there's that.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It's become clear to me that if Sony is going to get this franchise back on track, they will need Disney/Marvel's help. And they may get it - Disney makes hundreds of millions annually from licensing of Spider-Man consumer products, and having their headline character relegated to "B" level status is bad for business. If Disney/Marvel received certain considerations - use of the character in Avengers films, a firm future reversion date - a deal could be made.

I like the idea of a "Spider-Man and the Defenders" team-up movie after the Netflix shows air, but Spidey's inclusion into the MCU via a Coulson or Fury cameo could pay off as well. Though Arad may pitch a fit, bringing Spidey into the Marvel mainstream is Sony's best chance to right this ship.

I think the best move would be to make a deal similar to Indiana Jones where Sony gets a certain percentage of box office grosses in future films without having to put up any risk.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

They completely dropped Uncle Ben in ASM2 so there's that.

What, you didn't enjoy disapproving Ghost Dad?

 

[Orba]

Romcom or hardcore?

Sony's got the right plan, they just need a lot more character licenses.

The Spider-Man franchise has plenty of characters, the problem is how Sony are using them. They are so desperate to have their own film universe and get to the Sinister Six that they are throwing away good stories. For example it now seems that Doc Ock didn't make his mechanical arms, they came from Oscorp (unless they use the 'Oscorp employee gets powers from experiment/accident and goes on rampage' storyline for a third time). They need to take their time with stories.

 

[X Knight]

What, you didn't enjoy disapproving Ghost Dad?

you mean Uncle Ben wasn't even mentioned/shown in TASM 2??!!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

you mean Uncle Ben wasn't even mentioned/shown in TASM 2??!!

Yes he was mentioned but they have noticeably backgrounded the character and his influence over Peter Parker in favor of Captain Stacy and Peter Parker's father. I find that to be a deplorable "change" but it doesn't seem to bother some people.

 

[chaseter]

One of the closing shots of ASM1 was of the killer sketch he still had on his wall. They completely dropped that in ASM2. That tells me two things. 1) The writers and Marc Webb can't write a script that gels with their first movie and 2) The have bastardized the story of Peter Parker's reason to become Spider-Man.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Yes he was mentioned but they have noticeably backgrounded the character and his influence over Peter Parker in favor of Captain Stacy and Peter Parker's father. I find that to be a deplorable "change" but it doesn't seem to bother some people.

It really bothered me too.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

It's become clear to me that if Sony is going to get this franchise back on track, they will need Disney/Marvel's help. And they may get it - Disney makes hundreds of millions annually from licensing of Spider-Man consumer products, and having their headline character relegated to "B" level status is bad for business. If Disney/Marvel received certain considerations - use of the character in Avengers films, a firm future reversion date - a deal could be made.

I like the idea of a "Spider-Man and the Defenders" team-up movie after the Netflix shows air, but Spidey's inclusion into the MCU via a Coulson or Fury cameo could pay off as well. Though Arad may pitch a fit, bringing Spidey into the Marvel mainstream is Sony's best chance to right this ship.

No, Disney/Marvel will not help them put the franchise back on track. Also, putting Spidey in the MCU doesn't solve all/any of it's problems. Sony needs to just hire a team that really understands the character and make a truly great movie. First off, fire Marc Webb, he doesn't understand the character, making Uncle Ben and his death fairly insignificant proves this, at least in my mind. Second, use someone new as a villain and don't relegate him to background status like apparently Electro was (admittedly I haven't seen ASM2 and won't until it hits cable or Netflix), my suggestion J. Jonah Jameson, make him a mastermind type villain like Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins, but one Spidey doesn't even have to fight. Have his smear campaign against Spider-man bring Kraven to New York or he commissions Scorpion. I think either idea could work really well. Change the character from something campy to scary, worked for the Joker and there's plenty of precedent in the comics.

 

[Erzengel]

How about Morbius?

Of course something pushing past a PG-13 rating would scare most Sony executives.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

How about Morbius?

Of course something pushing past a PG-13 rating would scare most Sony executives.

I'm not sure if he's a villain that could really work in a two-hour movie, plus let's not bring vampires into the Spidey franchise, that screams desperate to me.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I feel like the biggest problem is we are 2 films deep and there isn't much we can change.

If I was involved in writing The Amazing Spider-Man 1, I would have focused somewhat on Oscorp but kept it a mystery. Like you know and are familiar with this place thanks to the Raimi films but it isn't the main focus for now.

I would have involved some mob boss like Hammerhead and given him the Enforcers. Would have forced somewhat on Captain Stacy trying to bring this guy down. When Spider-Man came out, Hammerhead sees him as a threat and hires the Chameleon. Chameleon goes around acting like Spider-Man trying to frame him. He is nearly caught by police but he shoots a cop. The cop is Captain Stacy. Stacy ain't dead but he's in the hospital. We would have a police manhunt for Spider-Man while him trying to prove he's innocent.

All I got so far for a first film so to speak.

 

[Zarex]

It will never happen. Marvel either wants the character outright in a buyout scenario or will let Sony crash and burn until the character has no value for Sony at which point they would let the rights revert back to Marvel. No way in hell do they make a deal that allows Sony any of all that sweet Avengers money. Marvel would be insane to split any amount of the profits with them

But if the character has no value to Sony, that hurts Disney/ Marvel. How is Disney supposed to keep Spidey's status as the number one licensed super-hero in the world if he is crashing and burning at the box office?

Given both Sony's and the franchise's vulnerability, now is an excellent time for Marvel to cut another favorable deal with the studio - one that wouldn't cut Sony in on MCU profits.

 

[Boom]

I think there are some stories that will fit beautifully into a cross. Spider-Man would be incredible mixed up with those other universes. But if we want to do that, the crossovers, it has to be a story that is absolutely centered on Spider-Man. We cannot be second banana to anything out there. Because this is the king. This is the one that influenced young people from birth.

I’m not preaching, but Spider-Man, Peter Parker, who is in all of us, is too important to go in and use it as a sidepiece for corporate purposes. The studio may disagree with me, some fans may disagree with me. I don’t care.

Arad's ego is out of control. He needs to go like yesterday.

 

[The Chris]

Yes he was mentioned but they have noticeably backgrounded the character and his influence over Peter Parker in favor of Captain Stacy and Peter Parker's father. I find that to be a deplorable "change" but it doesn't seem to bother some people.

I do as well. A friend of mine literally argued with me about that. "These movies are about the stacys. They're about the stacys! Uncle Ben didn't even say with great power comes great responsibility in the comics!"

I'm sorry but that just bothered me. Maybe if he had started these films out as Spider-Man already and he had already gone through what he needed to go through with Uncle Ben I probably wouldn't have been bothered as much, but the way it is now it seems that both Richard Parker and Captain Stacy mean more than Uncle Ben and that will never be okay to me.