Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - - Part 11

[spiderman2]

I just have to say with all the rumors I am just about to the point where I may stop coming on hear in till we get official news no matter if that is sinister six, asm3, another sony reboot or marvel getting spider man. I am jest fead up with all the rumors. When sm4 was supposed to be made there where like a million rumors before we got news of the reboot but man I think this has gone even behond that with the amount of rumors lol

 

[spider-neil]

I don't see ASM continuing in its current incarnation regardless of Marvels involvement or non involvement. I think El Maybe has had more clicks the past day than he ever has and Sony have said stuff before that turned out to be false. I clearly remember them saying that S4 was shutting down for Christmas and it was business as usual, in Jan they confirmed the reboot.

Basically we have to wait and what for OFFICIAL press release.
My own personal opinion is I don't think the MCU deal will happen so the ball is in Sony's court how to proceed with the franchise but I think their current plans (spins offs) in the wake of Suicide Squad is a mistake. One thing for sure is I will watch any Spider-Man film in theatres, wouldn't contemplate a boycott even if there is no Garfield.

I was going to boycott X:FC after the disgraceful Wolverine Origins, went to see the movie on the strength of a poster (true story) and now X:FC is my favourite X movie.
You just don't know until you see the final product.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

I thought the parents story line was good and just fin but after asm2 I think the parents story line is like complete any way.

I think Marc Webb said that is was going to stretch over 3 movies. Which is why I thought either it should have been wrapped up in ASM2, or they shouldn't have done a long-running storyline in the first place.

 

[spiderman2]

I don't see ASM continuing in its current incarnation regardless of Marvels involvement or non involvement. I think El Maybe has had more clicks the past day than he ever has and Sony have said stuff before that turned out to be false. I clearly remember them saying that S4 was shutting down for Christmas and it was business as usual, in Jan they confirmed the reboot.

Basically we have to wait and what for OFFICIAL press release.
My own personal opinion is I don't think the MCU deal will happen so the ball is in Sony's court how to proceed with the franchise but I think their current plans (spins offs) in the wake of Suicide Squad is a mistake. One thing for sure is I will watch any Spider-Man film in theatres, wouldn't contemplate a boycott even if there is no Garfield.

I was going to boycott X:FC after the disgraceful Wolverine Origins, went to see the movie on the strength of a poster (true story) and now X:FC is my favourite X movie.
You just don't know until you see the final product.

Yeah now that you minches it I thin I remember that to about sm4. Yeah we wont really no nothing in till either sony or marvel comes out with an official press release. If sony dose continue I thin they are better off not doing a spin off and just doing asm3 with Garfield has I think a sony reboot would be even worse. Yeah I know a lot of people thought FC was going to suck after xmen 3, Wolverine origins, Wolverine just like people would thin asm3 would after asm2, 1 and sm 3 and yet FC turned out good so can only hope that something simuler could happened with sm if they do asm3.

 

[spiderman2]

I think Marc Webb said that is was going to stretch over 3 movies. Which is why I thought either it should have been wrapped up in ASM2, or they shouldn't have done a long-running storyline in the first place.

I felt like it was pretty much wrapped up though.

 

[degraves93]

Sony denying the rumors doesn't seem shocking at all in retrospect. Why would they be obligated to tell us anything yet?

 

[spiderman2]

Sony denying the rumors doesn't seem shocking at all in retrospect. Why would they be obligated to tell us anything yet?

Yeah all they said was he is not going to be in avenger iffy war or what ever it is called doesn't mean he couldn't be in cap 3 or something else. They may not want to say anything has the details could still be being worked on for like the split of if it is going to be 60/40, 70/30 ect and they may not say anything has marvel may want to come out and say who the actors gong to be and such. I think people just want real news and are tired of rumors I know I am.

 

[degraves93]

Yeah all they said was he is not going to be in avenger iffy war or what ever it is called doesn't mean he couldn't be in cap 3 or something else. They may not want to say anything has the details could still be being worked on for like the split of if it is going to be 60/40, 70/30 ect and they may not say anything has marvel may want to come out and say who the actors gong to be and such. I think people just want real news and are tired of rumors I know I am.

The deal still seems likely, and hey, even if it falls through again, any other Spider-Man film Sony releases will fall flat on its face, and the rights will revert.

 

[LizardMan07]

Sony denying the rumors doesn't seem shocking at all in retrospect. Why would they be obligated to tell us anything yet?

I'm thinking they denied it as LR's source is based at Sony and it is damaging the relations with marvel that info keeps getting out due to sonys mistakes.

So they can't ignore it as they have to stop the rumours and they can't say no comment, so outright denial is the best option

OR

They want the rumours to stop to have less public pressure on them (marvel has more negotiating power if the consumers start whispering about ditching sony).

OR

It's not true at all, Spidey summit is over, no deal happened

OR

Not true as summit hasn't even happened yet (this dies out in feb)

OR

It is true but being finalised, Sony wants to make announcement with marvel

Only possibilities I can think of

 

[degraves93]

I'm thinking they denied it as LR's source is based at Sony and it is damaging the relations with marvel that info keeps getting out due to sonys mistakes.

So they can't ignore it as they have to stop the rumours and they can't say no comment, so outright denial is the best option

OR

They want the rumours to stop to have less public pressure on them (marvel has more negotiating power if the consumers start whispering about ditching sony).

OR

It's not true at all, Spidey summit is over, no deal happened

OR

Not true as summit hasn't even happened yet (this dies out in feb)

OR

It is true but being finalised, Sony wants to make announcement with marvel

Only possibilities I can think of

All seem plausible, but I'm gonna go with that first one. They're probably going nuts from the amount of crap that keeps leaking.

 

[spider-neil]

The deal still seems likely, and hey, even if it falls through again, any other Spider-Man film Sony releases will fall flat on its face, and the rights will revert.

If Sony's deal with Marvel (movie rights to make Spider-Man live action movies) extends to cameos then technically Sony could make S6 and have Spider-Man appear in an extended scene (rather than an after movie credit scene) and that would reset the franchise 'clock' back to 5 years. They could then wait out Marvel's Phase 3 and then see what the superhero landscape is like post IW 1 and 2 and JL 1 and 2.

I simply don't see Sony letting the rights revert. Think about like a business man and not a fan. In 2014 Spider-Man BY HIMSELF posted merchandising figures of 1.3 BILLION (more than the other heroes combined). Spider-Man animated show is pulling in more figures than the Avengers animated show. Spider-Man comics are rarely (if ever) out of the top 10 posted every month.

Sony are sitting on arguably the most popular superhero on the planet. They aren't going to simply 'let the rights revert'. We aren't talking about Hulk, or GR, or Daredevil or Punisher, we are talking about a character who over the course of 5 movies has BO receipts of over 4 BILLION making it one of the top franchises EVER. I don't see Sony EVER letting go of Spider-Man.

If the Marvel deal doesn't happen (and I personally think a deal not happening is more likely) Sony will keep throwing ideas at the wall until one of them sticks. If none of the ideas stick they will simply wait for a few years and then try again.

 

[degraves93]

If Sony's deal with Marvel (movie rights to make Spider-Man live action movies) extends to cameos then technically Sony could make S6 and have Spider-Man appear in an extended scene (rather than an after movie credit scene) and that would reset the franchise 'clock' back to 5 years. They could then wait out Marvel's Phase 3 and then see what the superhero landscape is like post IW 1 and 2 and JL 1 and 2.

I simply don't see Sony letting the rights revert. Think about like a business man and not a fan. In 2014 Spider-Man BY HIMSELF posted merchandising figures of 1.3 BILLION (more than the other heroes combined). Spider-Man animated show is pulling in more figures than the Avengers animated show. Spider-Man comics are rarely (if ever) out of the top 10 posted every month.

Sony are sitting on arguably the most popular superhero on the planet. They aren't going to simply 'let the rights revert'. We aren't talking about Hulk, or GR, or Daredevil or Punisher, we are talking about a character who over the course of 5 movies has BO receipts of over 4 BILLION making it one of the top franchises EVER. I don't see Sony EVER letting go of Spider-Man.

If the Marvel deal doesn't happen (and I personally think a deal not happening is more likely) Sony will keep throwing ideas at the wall until one of them sticks. If none of the ideas stick they will simply wait for a few years and then try again.

I don't know about never letting go. Stranger things have happened.

 

[spider-neil]

I don't know about never letting go. Stranger things have happened.

For the Spider-Man franchise to change hands, I only see it happening under these circumstances;

1) Marvel and Sony co produce but Sony retain the rights

2) Someone buys Sony Movie Studios and thus acquire the rights

3) Someone makes a ridiculously big bid for the Spider-Man rights


I don't see someone buying Sony's movie division, they don't have enough bankable franchises. The buyer would be effectively buying an entire studio for (part of) Bond and Spider-Man. That is too big an outlay for too few bankable commodities.

I don't see someone buying Spider-Man outright because Sony would want a price based on the potential of the character and his iconic status rather the current movie diminishing returns, and the buyer would obviously want a price based on those diminishing returns.

So, as I said earlier, I think if a Marvel deal cant be done then Spider-Man stays at Sony for the foreseeable future. Spider-Man is too big a character to mothball and let the rights simply change hands.

 

[I'm Venom]

True or not, do you think it occurs to anyone at Sony how absurdly excited of a response that rumors of Spider-Man joining the MCU have generated over the past month? Maybe they'd dismiss as just an internet minority, but you can't help but feel the hype is moving way more in that direction than any of the endless spin-offs no one cares about.

 

[spider-neil]

True or not, do you think it occurs to anyone at Sony how absurdly excited of a response that rumors of Spider-Man joining the MCU have generated over the past month? Maybe they'd dismiss as just an internet minority, but you can't help but feel the hype is moving way more in that direction than any of the endless spin-offs no one cares about.

The bottom line for Sony is this; MONEY.

Will a co produced Marvel Spider-Man movie where they receive part of the profit going to be more profit than a wholly produced Sony movie where they receive all of the profit.

Also Sony will be thinking can they by themselves bring Spider-Man back from the brink. WB did with Batman and Fox did it with X-Men.

 

[First Avenger]

I still think it's happening. I really want Sony to get the h*ll out.

 

[chamber-music]

The bottom line for Sony is this; MONEY.

Will a co produced Marvel Spider-Man movie where they receive part of the profit going to be more profit than a wholly produced Sony movie where they receive all of the profit.

Also Sony will be thinking can they by themselves bring Spider-Man back from the brink. WB did with Batman and Fox did it with X-Men.

Exactly.

From a business point of view Spider-Man is a huge asset. Sony doesn't have a lot of franchise assets. Spidey, Bond, MIB and potentially Ghostbusters are the big ones.

Sony isn't letting Spider-Man go unless there is something in it for them or the franchise is no longer profitable. This is wishful thinking from fans.

From Sony's point of view they are not out of options.

Sony could either cut a deal with Marvel or continue there TASM sequel plans or shelve the franchise for a few years and start again (like WB did with Batman).

 

[GuestStar2004]

Just imagine the amount of hatred the studio will get after something like that. Think their announcement of a reboot in 2012 received a lot of backlash? Oh boy... they're in for a treat.

hatred on the internet? is that even possible?

 

[JOE]

Woah, so what happened? Sony denied everything LR said?

 

[lukebrodyg]

Here's how I see it:

If you're Sony, a struggling business at the moment, and your one comic book property didn't really make that much money for you, was received very badly by most AND you were just victim of something that revealed just how poorly you really are at handling this one comic book property...

...the best thing happening for you right now is the buzz that even rumors create. Make the smart, lucrative business decision and reap from Spider-man and the Marvel train while you can!

As popular as Spider-man is, he is not beyond running into the ground completely before he's worth nothing (at least in the immediate) and that's probably what another ASM will do or another Sony reboot will do.

 

[Spider-man95]

Woah, so what happened? Sony denied everything LR said?

So it seems. However they came out and said the Aunt May movie was a silly rumor but that turned out to be real.

 

[lukebrodyg]

So it seems. However they dismissed the Aunt May movie as a silly rumor but that turned out to be real.

So true my friend...so true. Great reminder for the disappointed masses right now.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Woah, so what happened? Sony denied everything LR said?

Supposedly, yes they did. But as others have previously stated, that means NOTHING.Everything will be denied until the deal is finalized. So everyone just needs to

CALM DOWN!

ANd I can definatly understand El Mayimbe being mad at the Hype's new page. They took their report, which was no more verifiable than his, and sold it as confirmation the deal didn't happen. "Don't expect to see Spidey in the MCU anytime soon". Really, SHH? You're better than that!

 

[The Joker]

Here's how I see it:

If you're Sony, a struggling business at the moment, and your one comic book property didn't really make that much money for you, was received very badly by most AND you were just victim of something that revealed just how poorly you really are at handling this one comic book property...

...the best thing happening for you right now is the buzz that even rumors create. Make the smart, lucrative business decision and reap from Spider-man and the Marvel train while you can!

As popular as Spider-man is, he is not beyond running into the ground completely before he's worth nothing (at least in the immediate) and that's probably what another ASM will do or another Sony reboot will do.

Makes perfect sense to me

 

[LizardMan07]

If this deal goes through it's going to be one of the biggest moments in the history of comic book films and definitely the headline of the year for comic book movies.

Sony aren't going to say "yeah, lol" to the rumours.

Maybe it's hope but I believe this deal is happening and thank god it is frankly.