Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - - Part 11

[LEVITIKUZ]

I'm guessing most posters here are banging super models.

Of course when you look like this.

 

[harryoscop]

It's okay, we forgive you.

Just kidding.. not

 

[JOE]

Of course when you look like this.

This must've been the same guy that photoshopped Justin Bieber's bulge in the last CK underwear shoot.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

This must've been the same guy that photoshopped Justin Bieber's bulge in the last CK underwear shoot.

Oh, didn't you hear... that wasn't photoshopped.

They just used trusty old socks.

 

[smashmode]

Now if she looked like this, she would no doubt be memorable.

Or had a scene with Emma Stone where they make out.

Would smash.

 

[JOE]

Oh, didn't you hear... that wasn't photoshopped.

They just used trusty old socks.

From what I see, they made his hands and package look bigger... And his head look smaller to make him look taller. Also a few months worth of push-ups.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Well here is the (financial) reason why it should happen:

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...ering-with-marvel-on-spider-man-heres-wh.aspx

I do think the article's author is severely misjudging Marvels willingness to let Sony make creative/casting decisions regarding the character and his milieu. One big implication of this deal is that Marvel is best equipped to make these calls. The upside for Sony is lower risk and higher revenues, plus the prestige that comes with an association with Marvel Studios. If that's not good enough for them, too ****ing bad.

It's up to Feige (and Disney) if he wants to be magnanimous on the money side. But he has absolutely no reason to give any creative crontrol whatsoever to Sony on this deal. He has all the leverage.

Personally I don't like the idea of Sony loaning Marvel Spidey for an IW guest spot. For me any worthwhile deal has to entail MS taking over the character going forward. That may not work for Sony.

 

[chamber-music]

I remember Felicity Jones from Worst Witch Tv show

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

From what I see, they made his hands and package look bigger... And his head look smaller to make him look taller. Also a few months worth of push-ups.

You seem obsessed about Bieber and his junk.

Got anything you wanna get of your chest Joe?

 

[spider-neil]

Well here is the (financial) reason why it should happen:

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...ering-with-marvel-on-spider-man-heres-wh.aspx

I do think the article's author is severely misjudging Marvels willingness to let Sony make creative/casting decisions regarding the character and his milieu. One big implication of this deal is that Marvel is best equipped to make these calls. The upside for Sony is lower risk and higher revenues, plus the prestige that comes with an association with Marvel Studios. If that's not good enough for them, too ****ing bad.

It's up to Feige (and Disney) if he wants to be magnanimous on the money side. But he has absolutely no reason to give any creative crontrol whatsoever to Sony on this deal. He has all the leverage.

Personally I don't like the idea of Sony loaning Marvel Spidey for an IW guest spot. For me any worthwhile deal has to entail MS taking over the character going forward. That may not work for Sony.

The article makes a lot of sense but the stumbling block is creative control and profit/production share, these wouldn't be easy to agree on.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Marvel Studios, get Spidey back but remember:

 

[LizardMan07]

Well Emma stone got an Oscar nomination.

I guess that's what happens when you get killed in a spiderman movie, you get an Oscar nomination

Please put Garfield in as random civilian #4 in Marvels spiderman and then kill him, he deserves an Oscar

 

[LizardMan07]

Also I'll double post to make it clear quickly that I know it was for bird man before someone misinterprets me and we argue for six pages. Love you all

 

[JOE]

You seem obsessed about Bieber and his junk.

Got anything you wanna get of your chest Joe?

Nope, was just showing Pfeiffer-Pfan how it in fact WAS photoshopped. You have it as your desktop picture, don't you?

 

[CaptainWagner]

If Sony's deal with Marvel (movie rights to make Spider-Man live action movies) extends to cameos then technically Sony could make S6 and have Spider-Man appear in an extended scene (rather than an after movie credit scene) and that would reset the franchise 'clock' back to 5 years. They could then wait out Marvel's Phase 3 and then see what the superhero landscape is like post IW 1 and 2 and JL 1 and 2.

I simply don't see Sony letting the rights revert. Think about like a business man and not a fan. In 2014 Spider-Man BY HIMSELF posted merchandising figures of 1.3 BILLION (more than the other heroes combined). Spider-Man animated show is pulling in more figures than the Avengers animated show. Spider-Man comics are rarely (if ever) out of the top 10 posted every month.

Sony are sitting on arguably the most popular superhero on the planet. They aren't going to simply 'let the rights revert'. We aren't talking about Hulk, or GR, or Daredevil or Punisher, we are talking about a character who over the course of 5 movies has BO receipts of over 4 BILLION making it one of the top franchises EVER. I don't see Sony EVER letting go of Spider-Man.

If the Marvel deal doesn't happen (and I personally think a deal not happening is more likely) Sony will keep throwing ideas at the wall until one of them sticks. If none of the ideas stick they will simply wait for a few years and then try again.

Thinking business-wise, here's the situation:

-That 1.3 Billion dollars? Sony got zip! Marvel has all the merchandising rights to Spiderman, which is where the real money is.

-The Spiderman films have seen diminishing returns since SM3, with TASM2 barely making a profit.

-The overseas Sony execs are cracking down on the film division, even more so now in the wake of the hacks. While Pascal and co. may still think they can turn the franchise around, all the execs will see is a mismanaged series of movies that aren't helping the studio.

-Marvel Studios movies have been running circles around Sony at the box office. Any part of the reasonably predictable billion dollar MCU Spidey will look more appealing than their own dieing franchise

If it was only up to Pascal and Avi, I don't think the deal would go through, but the execs will be pressuring them to get ANYTHING out of a deal, even if it's just distribution.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Well Emma stone got an Oscar nomination.

I guess that's what happens when you get killed in a spiderman movie, you get an Oscar nomination

Please put Garfield in as random civilian #4 in Marvels spiderman and then kill him, he deserves an Oscar

She got an Oscar nomination for Birdman, though, right?

Or did she get one for TASM2?

 

[Eddie]

Sony can't wait very long if they're going to try on their own. It seems they only have three years and nine months between films before the rights revert based on one leaked document. I know TASM took longer than that to release, but Marvel probably granted an extension. That's around the time Marvel regained television rights and full merchandise rights.

 

[LizardMan07]

She got an Oscar nomination for Birdman, though, right?

Or did she get one for TASM2?

Also I'll double post to make it clear quickly that I know it was for bird man before someone misinterprets me and we argue for six pages. Love you all

Hence second post

 

[W/ Great Power]

Hence second post

My bad.

Quoted you and didn't refresh the page.

 

[LizardMan07]

All good, still love you

Also, on a completely unrelated note, anyone who thinks spiderman is a good business decision for sony has to rremember that sony made 60 million BEFORE overheads on TASM2

On another note, I think harryoscop uses vomit emoticons on pretty famous people for attention.

 

[HarryOsborn]

Spider-Man is very valuable to Sony, that's why they won't let him go- unless they get that desperate to save the division as Marvel did eons ago. However the deal states that Sony is interested if they can get a cut of the merch, that's a fair deal, whether or not disney goes for it is the real question.

 

[HarryOsborn]

I'm probably going to get a lot of hate for this but....for me TASM 2 was the worst incarnation. They got so many things wrong.

1. Spider-man's webs apparently last forever since the little kid's science experiment still had web on it at the end of the film. Spider-man's webs should dissolve after some time.

2. Peter Parker would not give up his responsibilities so he can be with Gwen. The scene where he tells Gwen that he has decided to go to London with her....um what? Spider-man wouldn't abandon New York especially when he knows Oscorp are doing villainous s**t there. I guess Uncle Ben's death meant nothing then...screw with great power comes great responsibility.

Spider-man 2 however handled this kind of thing in a much better way. Peter thought his powers were fading away so he thought he had a chance at a normal life with MJ. However he eventually realizes that he is needed in the city when he rescues the little girl from the burning building and finds out that someone else was in the building and didn't make it out. He then realizes his purpose and that is to be Spider-man. He tells MJ that he doesn't love her because he's willing to sacrifice a normal life with MJ so that he can protect New York City.

3. Spider-man would not stop to talk to Max when a huge truck full of plutonium is crashing through the very densely populated streets of New York. But nope gotta stop and talk to this random guy, have enough time to fix his clothing and hair, check his id tag and then tell him he's a somebody, hey Spidey when you're done raising this guys self esteem there's a huge truck full of plutonium crashing through the streets potentially killing innocent people...

4. Apparently Spider-man doesn't have Spider-sense since he is hit by that police car at the beginning of the film.

5. Peter Parker needs to go to Youtube to find out how batteries work....Peter's a science genius right?

6. Spider-man visits Harry just to tell him I'm not giving you my blood. So why didn't he just not visit him at all? Oh I know it's because Sony needed Harry to hate Spider-man so they could cram in another villain.

And that's all I can think of for Spider-man. I could say a lot more about the rest of the movie.

Just remember that this is my opinion. If you liked the film then that's ok with me, but I hate this movie for what it did to my favorite superhero.

The original script was much better from what i gather. Harry doesn't take the "Goblin Serum", Peter actually gives Harry the blood when he asks. The movie had more of a theme of Peter learning the price of irresponsibility, and that just being Spider-Man doesn't give him a pass to make thoughtless decisions. This also makes Peter directly responsible for Gwen's death.

Electro was originally conceived to be the man in the shadows, not nerdy Jamie Foxx (Marc Webb stated in the commentary). Thematically this would serve the theme from the first film with Peter feeling he only has to protect Gwen from his father's past (Connors, Electro) when intact it's his own old friend that ultimately does her in.

There was also no Rhino. I really feel bad for Marc Webb, Sony really gave him the Joel Schumacher treatment, making him look like an incompetent director. The heart and soul of the story was scrapped in favor of building their shared universe and that's truly tragic. I don't view Sony's attempt at building a shared universe much differently than when WB allowed Hasbro to have input on the design for Batman and Robin.

 

[Stormz96]

Uhh, guys.... Ign just posted an interview with the Civil War screenwriters, Christopher Markus and Stephen Mcfeely. They asked about spiderman, and they were super coy about the situation. Something's up here.

One journalist broached the subject of Spider-Man, and the leaked info that there was an attempt between Sony and Marvel to introduce him into the MCU in Civil War that didn't pan out. Not shockingly, the writers were tightlipped on anything regarding that situation, with McFeely grinning and saying, "I read that as well" about the reports that Spider-Man nearly appeared in Civil War. Asked what he thought as the news began to leak, McFeely simply replied, "More problems for me!" And when he was asked which side Spider-Man would have been on had he been in the film, McFeely replied, "That’s a great question! More problems for me!"

Let it be noted: this was just yesterday at the TCAs

 

[Chip Chipperson]

oh yeah, something is definitely up

 

[JOE]

Uhh, guys.... Ign just posted an interview with the Civil War screenwriters, Christopher Markus and Stephen Mcfeely. They asked about spiderman, and they were super coy about the situation. Something's up here.