Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - - Part 11

[harryoscop]

Okay you get a hug.

*Hugs*

 

[Airnick]

Me too, right?

Of course i will! Haha.

We need to all meet in NY and have the SHH Hug-a-Thon!

 

[LizardMan07]

Spiderman 2 made EIGHT TIMES more than TASM2

Woweeeee

 

[Chip Chipperson]

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...ering-with-marvel-on-spider-man-heres-wh.aspx

no one can defend this

sony should play ball with marvel, its their best bet at this point in time.

 

[LizardMan07]

I don't think people understand how bad it is.

They spent 450 million, got 700, made 25

They were aiming for a billion, or about a 325 million profit

Yeah....

There's no way it makes "business sense" to keep making spiderman films when some Indie films are making more than it. Insane

 

[spider-neil]

I don't think people understand how bad it is.

They spent 450 million, got 700, made 25

They were aiming for a billion, or about a 325 million profit

Yeah....

There's no way it makes "business sense" to keep making spiderman films when some Indie films are making more than it. Insane

They could contemplate getting a similar return on a smaller budget.
Production costs are way too high considering there are no major stars and the amount of marketing needs to be scaled back regards of how much money they have to spend.

 

[degraves93]

They could contemplate getting a similar return on a smaller budget.
Production costs are way too high considering there are no major stars and the amount of marketing needs to be scaled back regards of how much money they have to spend.

I don't see that happening. I'm fully aware of Sony's idiocy, but even they have to balk at the prospect of a low-low-budget Spidey flick.

 

[spider-neil]

I don't see that happening. I'm fully aware of Sony's idiocy, but even they have to balk at the prospect of a low-low-budget Spidey flick.

As an example they could make KLH, reduce the scenes with Vermin/Lizard to a couple of scenes (reduce special effects shots). Reduce the amount of New York shots and set the majority of the movie in a cheaper filming state. And when the movie is finished have a mature advertising campaign which is focused at specific groups rather than the scatter gun campaign which shows everything to everyone. A Superbowl advert, for instance is a waste of money.

A Spider-Man movie with no major stars and minimal effects and shot in a state other than NY (except key scenes) should be coming in at no more than 150 mil (TOPS) and the marketing should focused and specific and be coming in at no more than a 100 mil. 250m all in plus product placement would see Sony make a decent profit on a 700m BO.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't see that happening. I'm fully aware of Sony's idiocy, but even they have to balk at the prospect of a low-low-budget Spidey flick.

The rumored budget was 255million (I believe that number), spending 175-200mil is not low budget. The fact is Sony are spending too damn much on these Spider-Man movies. It's not going to be easy but they need to clamp down on the budget and marketing. Go for a more targeted marketing campaign.

They don't get any damn merchandising money to cover such ridiculous budgets.

EDIT: Neil and I are on the same page it seems.

 

[spider-neil]

The rumored budget was 255million (I believe that number), spending 175-200mil is not low budget. The fact is Sony are spending too damn much on these Spider-Man movies. It's not going to be easy but they need to clamp down on the budget and marketing. Go for a more targeted marketing campaign.

They don't get any damn merchandising money to cover such ridiculous budgets.

EDIT: Neil and I are on the same page it seems.

Exacty, I SEE SPIDEY. It's only idiocy that Sony aren't laughing all the way to the bank off a 700 MILLION BOX OFFICE. I'm sorry but 700m is a good return, it's only Sony profligacy with budget costs has seen them make next to no money. WB made a profit off the 400m BO of Batman Begins as a comparison.

What I find strange is Sony of capable of low budget quality effects driven movies. Imagine how much profit Sony would have made off District 9 with a 700m return. Also how was the much marketing campaign? If it were more than 50 million I would be surprised. The marketing should work smarter not harder.

 

[LizardMan07]

The next Sony spiderman film won't crack 700 million

Constant trend of less returns, public backlash against the film

That means to turn a profit they'll need to basically halve their production budget

 

[Johnny-Oh]

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...ering-with-marvel-on-spider-man-heres-wh.aspx

How big is the drop-off? The Amazing Spider-Man 2 generated an estimated $24.5 million in box office profit for Sony last year, down 88% from an estimated $200.9 million for the 2002 breakout hit Spider-Man. Marvel's minuscule share of the box office and DVD proceeds from that first Spider-Man film -- just $10.4 million in licensing fees, according to the company's 10-K annual filing for 2002 -- started the comic book king down the path toward creating the hit-making studio we know today.

Wow this is just sad, Sony managed to damage and almost ruin the image of the most popular superhero of all time

Its even worse when you realize that TASM and TASM 2 had 3D boost which is huge for movies now, without it these movies would have flopped hard.

 

[spiderman2]

Wow this is just sad, Sony managed to damage and almost ruin the image of the most popular superhero of all time

Its even worse when you realize that TASM and TASM 2 had 3D boost which is huge for movies now, without it these movies would have flopped hard.

wow just wow is all I can say form sm1 making about 200.9 million to asm2 making only 24.5 million is just crazy. With out 3d it would have lost money I am just speech less right now. I knew it didn't do has while has they had hope but still crazy. Has tony stark would say at the end battle of iron man 3 I got nothing lol

 

[First Avenger]

Those numbers are hilarious,I wonder if Sony actually understands them.

 

[spider-neil]

Wow this is just sad, Sony managed to damage and almost ruin the image of the most popular superhero of all time

Its even worse when you realize that TASM and TASM 2 had 3D boost which is huge for movies now, without it these movies would have flopped hard.

1.4 billion off two more movies isn't 'ruined'. That is a decent return and Sony are the ones to blame for not having a bigger profit margin.

 

[Orba]

Embarrassing that Sony spent upwards of $400 million and two years of work for a $25 million profit while Disney is believed to have made over $300 million off the merchandising without having to do anything.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could contemplate getting a similar return on a smaller budget.
Production costs are way too high considering there are no major stars and the amount of marketing needs to be scaled back regards of how much money they have to spend.

Sony could hire Josh Trank to make the next Spider-Man. He can make Chronicle 3 and do it on a shoe-string budget once again. That would hopefully give them a greater return.

Miles Teller for Peter, Michael B Jordan for Harry!

 

[CaptainWagner]

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...ering-with-marvel-on-spider-man-heres-wh.aspx

But....but....Venom!!!!

 

[Dark Raven]

But....but....Venom!!!!

 

[HanShotFirst]

Just read the whole Cap3 interview and here's the part about Spider-Man:

One journalist broached the subject of Spider-Man, and the leaked info that there was an attempt between Sony and Marvel to introduce him into the MCU in Civil War that didn't pan out. Not shockingly, the writers were tightlipped on anything regarding that situation, with McFeely grinning and saying, "I read that as well" about the reports that Spider-Man nearly appeared in Civil War. Asked what he thought as the news began to leak, McFeely simply replied, "More problems for me!" And when he was asked which side Spider-Man would have been on had he been in the film, McFeely replied, "That’s a great question! More problems for me!"

Uh... So what exactly are we so happy about? Cause I see nothing!

 

[Daltonio]

Posted on Sony's Portuguese FB page

Roughly translates to "We have plans for you"

Damn it! Finally something for me to be excited about and you guys are able to come up with a possible debunking for it in less then 5 minutes. It feels awkward being on the opposite side of everyone else though.

 

[Daltonio]

Just read the whole Cap3 interview and here's the part about Spider-Man:

Uh... So what exactly are we so happy about? Cause I see nothing!

People think that the part about him grinning and being tightlipped means that he's hiding something.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fox deserves x-men, they're knocking those films out of the park IMO! I hope their ambitious new film plans pay off.

But just think after origins people were raging about how bad fox were too and how X-Men needed to go back to marvel

 

[Spider-man95]

People think that the part about him grinning and being tightlipped means that he's hiding something.

Well it's not exactly normal behavior to start grinning over that topic and then saying something such as "more problems for me".

 

[Daltonio]

Well it's not exactly normal behavior to start grinning over that topic and then saying something such as "more problems for me".

Oh, I know it's a little suspicious. I just think it's too small to get excited over, especially since other sites didn't even mention the grinning.