Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - - - - Part 13

[ImOctavius]

I think Sony is capable of making another good Spider-Man film. First they have to make Arad a silent producer with no creative power what-so-ever, hire another decent director who is more comfortable with the action adventure genre, get some decent screenwriters on board and give that director a reasonable amount of creative control. Micro managing hasn't worked so it's insane to keep doing that.

 

[Tymminator]

Why? I can accept you think "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" is a bad movie. I loved it. But the first one was pretty solid.

I remind you that 20th Century Fox produced "X-Men: The Last Stand" and "X-Men Origins: Wolverine". Marvel Studios, "Iron Man 2", "Iron Man 3" and "Thor: The Dark World". And Warner Bros. Pictures, "Green Lantern" and "Man of Steel". All of them were widely criticized, and I won't say they (or think) are not capable.

First off, You may like them or not and that's a fine valid opinion, but "Iron Man 2", "Iron Man 3" and "Thor: The Dark World did way better with the critics (using Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic) and overall general public then the movies you mentioned.

The lowest from Marvel Studios that you mentioned was Thor: The Dark World and it's still certified fresh.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

When "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" was released, the company had only just two good films (neither of them, great). A comparision is fair.

X2 was great. Arguably the best comic book movie ever at the time of its release.

 

[Tymminator]

I think Sony can turn themselves around, but all the same, I'd prefer they stop making Spider-Man movies.

They could, it's just they would have to be lucky to have the right team hired on it and trust them to do it.

What's goofy is they seem to want to have tight control, but they have no clue.

The hacked emails prove with no doubt that on their own, Sony Pictures is clueless and they had a ton of silly ideas they were seriously considering.

 

[The Joker]

X2 was great. Arguably the best comic book movie ever at the time of its release.

Still one of the best to this day.

The thing with Sony is any quality Spidey movies we got from them, and there's only been two, are down to Raimi. In the case of the TSSM cartoon, that was thanks to Greg Weissman. It's the talented people they hire that make them good. When Sony sticks their oar in on the creative direction things turn to crap.

 

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[Spider-man95]

Still one of the best to this day.

The thing with Sony is any quality Spidey movies we got from them, and there's only been two, are down to Raimi. In the case of the TSSM cartoon, that was thanks to Greg Weissman. It's the talented people they hire that make them good. When Sony sticks their oar in on the creative direction things turn to crap.

Could not agree more with this post.

 

[Tymminator]

X2 was great. Arguably the best comic book movie ever at the time of its release.

X2 was the movie I took a few coworkers to who were non-comic book/movie fans and turned them into fans of the genre.

X2 I still consider one of the best X-films FoX has ever made.

X3 under Singer really could have been good, to bad we missed out on that.

 

[Tymminator]

Still one of the best to this day.

The thing with Sony is any quality Spidey movies we got from them, and there's only been two, are down to Raimi. In the case of the TSSM cartoon, that was thanks to Greg Weissman. It's the talented people they hire that make them good. When Sony sticks their oar in on the creative direction things turn to crap.

 

[ImOctavius]

First off, You may like them or not and that's a fine valid opinion, but "Iron Man 2", "Iron Man 3" and "Thor: The Dark World did way better with the critics (using Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic) and overall general public then the movies you mentioned.

The lowest from Marvel Studios that you mentioned was Thor: The Dark World and it's still certified fresh.

Be sincere, it those movies were not part of MCU, surely they would get lower percentages.

 

[Erzengel]

So critics give a pass to some of the lower tier Marvel movies because they are part of the MCU?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What I really hate about the Amazing Spider-Man franchise is that they are just studio films with only a hint of interest or creativity from the director. I can at least respect a bad film if it weren't 80% a studio film but I can't respect these films because they are just that. I mean I think Hulk was a poor film but at least it was Ang Lee's film and not just some zombie blockbuster from Universal. Hell at least Transformers are Michael Bay's movies.

Spider-Man is an awesome ****ing character, he deserves more than some green indie relationship obsessed yes man. He deserves a Lord and Miller or insert decent genre director here.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

One thing Fox has over Sony, and this is true throughout their entire studios and even other lines of business, is that Fox is far more careful with their money and budgets. Not that Fox isn't willing to spend a lot if there is a good chance of it paying off, but you almost never see Fox just outright waste money the way Sony does.

That's one reason why I don't believe the rumors that Fox allowed the Fantastic Four budget to balloon to $200 million.

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

I really do think that Sony could make another decent and well-recieved spider-man film. All they have to do is hire good writers and only distribute the film. they should let the creative people do their job. Imagine how TASM2 would've been if Sony and Avi Arad didn't mess with it and they listened to Marc Webb and just let him to his job? Probably would've been better that SM2, who knows.

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

So critics give a pass to some of the lower tier Marvel movies because they are part of the MCU?

well, yeah, basically.

 

[ImOctavius]

So critics give a pass to some of the lower tier Marvel movies because they are part of the MCU?

"Iron Man 3": 78% (Rotten Tomatoes). Really?

 

[ThatSpiderGuy]

I do have to say, that the themes that Hans Zimmer composed for TASM2 are the best yet in any Spider-Man film. The instrumentation may be a little weird, but the core of the music and the melodies is spot-on Spider-Man. I REALLY REALLY love the Peter-Gwen theme that he composed, it totally matches their relationship in the comics as well as the film.

 

[Daltonio]

With that said, I don't need to see a ASM3 because the emotional heart of the movie is gone now that Gwen has been killed off.

I just can't agree with this. Sure, Peter & Gwen's relationship was the emotional heart of both movies, there's no denying that. Now Gwen is gone, but half of that heart is still there with Peter. There's still plenty of story to move forward with Peter meeting someone new and moving forward despite constant reminders of Gwen's fate.

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Be sincere, it those movies were not part of MCU, surely they would get lower percentages.

Very very true.

 

[Tymminator]

Be sincere, it those movies were not part of MCU, surely they would get lower percentages.

Nope. I seriously don't think so.

Ironman 2 was the third movie of the MCU, at that point, most people didn't even know they were even building a MCU at that time, just fans like us.

The MCU is still a new thing, Ironman 2 was still phase 1, the other two were the start of phase 2. if they were really that bad, they would have crippled the MCU so early in it's growth.

Outside of the boards? I don't know too many people who hate those movies like some fans do, and I know a lot of people, but then, that's just my experience.

 

[Daltonio]

I do have to say, that the themes that Hans Zimmer composed for TASM2 are the best yet in any Spider-Man film. The instrumentation may be a little weird, but the core of the music and the melodies is spot-on Spider-Man. I REALLY REALLY love the Peter-Gwen theme that he composed, it totally matches their relationship in the comics as well as the film.

It still gets me a bit emotional when I hear the great Peter & Gwen theme that runs through.

 

[Tymminator]

"Iron Man 3": 78% (Rotten Tomatoes). Really?

Yes really.

It's not my favorite, but I know many who love that and consider it as good as the first. (these people are by and large non-comic fans except for the movies).

 

[The Joker]

Nope. I seriously don't think so.

Ironman 2 was the third movie of the MCU, at that point, most people didn't even know they were even building a MCU at that time, just fans like us.

The MCU is still a new thing, Ironman 2 was still phase 1, the other two were the start of phase 2. if they were really that bad, they would have crippled the MCU so early in it's growth.

Outside of the boards? I don't know too many people who hate those movies like some fans do, and I know a lot of people, but then, that's just my experience.

Very good points. People forget how unknown and almost non existent the MCU was when Iron Man 2 came out. Iron Man 3 only has a 5% higher critic rating than 2. It hardly shot up by 20% or something just because of being in the MCU.

 

[Erzengel]

well, yeah, basically.

"Iron Man 3": 78% (Rotten Tomatoes). Really?

It must be a conspiracy against Sony and they must be secretly Marvel fanboys.

That's the only logical reason why a movie as beloved as TASM2 got such a low rating. I mean what other reason can there be?

 

[Tymminator]

Very good points. People forget how unknown and almost non existent the MCU was when Iron Man 2 came out. Iron Man 3 only has a 5% higher critic rating than 2. It hardly shot up by 20% or something just because of being in the MCU.

Back on the subject of Spider-man, I wonder if we would see any of the alternative takes they filmed but decided against? (Alt Gwen death scene for example)

 

[Daltonio]

It must be a conspiracy against Sony and they must be secretly Marvel fanboys.

That's the only logical reason why a movie as beloved as TASM2 got such a low rating. I mean what other reason can there be?

No one's accusing them of any kind of conspiracy against Sony. We're strictly talking about the MCU and I really believe films like Thor: The Dark World would have a much lower rating if they weren't in that film universe.