Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - Part 8

[Stormz96]

We've already kinda had insiders this whole time lol

We need someone filming this thing

 

[degraves93]

We need someone filming this thing

I wanna see the tears rolling down Avi Arad's fat face

 

[harryoscop]

I wanna see the tears rolling down Avi Arad's fat face

The look on your face will be priceless!

 

[degraves93]

The look on your face will be priceless!

Ah, ya got me again! And I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling Spidey fans, and your taste in good movies!

 

[Stormz96]

So if we get a mysterio spidey film, what do you guys think his motives should be?

I think he should take advantage of the post-civil war society where people aren't so trusting of super humans and frame spiderman for murder by just going out in public and taking people out in a spidey costume. And then he can make himself known to the public as their "hero". Essentially, he can set up and put on a show for them, and bask in the glory.

They can even use the framing spidey aspect to bring in pro-registration forces and even The Punisher!

 

[degraves93]

So if we get a mysterio spidey film, what do you guys think his motives should be?

I think he should take advantage of the post-civil war society where people aren't so trusting of super humans and frame spiderman for murder by just going out in public and taking people out in a spidey costume. And then he can make himself known to the public as their "hero". Essentially, he can set up and put on a show for them, and bask in the glory.

They can even use the framing spidey aspect to bring in pro-registration forces and even The Punisher!

Mysterio is an extremely insecure, self-centered person. His own personal motivations for framing Spidey are to take out his self-loathing on someone else, reveal himself as the "real hero", and bask in the glory, as you said. He could also be aware of the larger implications of the public turning against heroes, so he would be more than happy to manipulate them to his will.

 

[Stormz96]

Mysterio is an extremely insecure, self-centered person. His own personal motivations for framing Spidey are to take out his self-loathing on someone else, reveal himself as the "real hero", and bask in the glory, as you said. He could also be aware of the larger implications of the public turning against heroes, so he would be more than happy to manipulate them to his will.

I can see them using mysterio to reflect the process of filmmaking. Gaining public interest (framing spiderman), getting support from the higher powers (he can cut a deal with the authority, Kingpin, or possibly pro-registration forces to take out spidey), and then putting on a show by taking on spiderman with only the highest of production and artistic value.

 

[degraves93]

I can see them using mysterio to reflect the process of filmmaking. Gaining public interest (framing spiderman), getting support from the higher powers (he can cut a deal with the authority, Kingpin, or possibly pro-registration forces to take out spidey), and then putting on a show by taking on spiderman with only the highest of production and artistic value.

That sounds so perfect it makes me worried that they won't use it haha

 

[Stormz96]

That sounds so perfect it makes me worried that they won't use it haha

Spiderman fits the MCU like a glove in a lot of areas! I feel like if they go with mysterio, given what's likely to result in the aftermath of Civil War, he'd be a naturally fit for a leading villain given his story lines revolving around framing spidey.

I also think they can have some sort of Mcguffin involved so that mysterio can use actually magic, and Doctor Strange can easily set up for that, given how it will introduce the mystical magicky side of the MCU. But I do wanna see at least one scene involving him using purely practical effects and trickery, maybe in a heist scene where he acquires the aforementioned magical Mcguffin

 

[degraves93]

Spiderman fits the MCU like a glove in a lot of areas! I feel like if they go with mysterio, given what's likely to result in the aftermath of Civil War, he'd be a naturally fit for a leading villain given his story lines revolving around framing spidey.

I also think they can have some sort of Mcguffin involved so that mysterio can use actually magic, and Doctor Strange can easily set up for that, given how it will introduce the mystical magicky side of the MCU. But I do wanna see at least one scene involving him using purely practical effects and trickery, maybe in a heist scene where he acquires the aforementioned magical Mcguffin

Mysterio has caused a lot of grief for Spidey, as well as a lot of other heroes. I imagine a Spidey-size beatdown for ol' Fishbowl at some point lol

 

[LizardMan07]

[YT]watch/yso3f3y6pW8[/YT]

Interesting, what do y'all think of this?

[YT]/watch?v=-yuELx5M5ns[/YT]

Adding to this, these IGN people think the deal ONLY covers spider-man, NOT his rogue gallery. Which is dumb

 

[Surfer]

[YT]watch/yso3f3y6pW8[/YT]

Interesting, what do y'all think of this?

[YT]/watch?v=-yuELx5M5ns[/YT]

Adding to this, these IGN people think the deal ONLY covers spider-man, NOT his rogue gallery. Which is dumb

I watched the video on the first link, but was having trouble playing the video from the second link.

As far as what I think, I find it a little concerning the number of fans on that video wanting Andrew Garfield to remain / return as Spider-man. Don't get me wrong I thought he did a great job, but there is no way to have him continue being spider-man without making the Amazing Spider-man 1 & 2 and all of it's content part of the MCU canon. So, while Garfield was a great Spider-man there is too many other things that were done poorly (story and villians included) not to mention the existing Amazing Spider-man series will not integrate well with the MCU. So, overall keeping Garfield as Spider-man (if a deal is struck between Sony and Marvel) is just a bad idea as those movies would taint the MCU.

Surfer

 

[LizardMan07]

It kind of puts a dent in the "everybody hates Andrew" theory though.

I think the most common view from the people I've talked to is that Andrew is a neccesary sacrafice to get spidey into the MCU. He was an amazing spider-man, it's a shame he was cast in a series that died.

Still think if TASM2 did well critically he would have eventually won everyone over.

 

[spider-neil]

I love Garfield but he is a necessary casualty of war if the deal with Marvel is to happen.

 

[harryoscop]

Guys I'm pretty sure that the only fans whining, complaining and asking for Andrew's return, are the 8-12 year olds, they can't even tell if a movie is quality anyways.. so.. who cares what'a bunch of kids think.

 

[First Avenger]

It kind of puts a dent in the "everybody hates Andrew" theory though.

I think the most common view from the people I've talked to is that Andrew is a neccesary sacrafice to get spidey into the MCU. He was an amazing spider-man, it's a shame he was cast in a series that died.

Still think if TASM2 did well critically he would have eventually won everyone over.

Andrew is great but unfortunately they gave him some terrible scripts to work with.

 

[LizardMan07]

Guys I'm pretty sure that the only fans whining, complaining and asking for Andrew's return, are the 8-12 year olds, they can't even tell if a movie is quality anyways.. so.. who cares what'a bunch of kids think.

I don't think that's true at all mate

 

[Eggyman]

I don't want him to return, but labelling everyone that does as children is juvenile in itself.

 

[harryoscop]

Well most of the ones I've come across (Not on the hype) seem to be children.

 

[LizardMan07]

Well most of the ones I've come across (Not on the hype) seem to be children.

In the video above which is a click away you'll see a fair chunk of people who a pro Garfield. From a variety of different ages.

There is going to be some backlash from diehard fans but the reality is there's no way around it. Again, can't just dismiss those people who hold that view as that's kinda pointless and even lazy. In fact, eggyman says it best, it's childish.

 

[harryoscop]

In the video above which is a click away you'll see a fair chunk of people who a pro Garfield. From a variety of different ages.

There is going to be some backlash from diehard fans but the reality is there's no way around it. Again, can't just dismiss those people who hold that view as that's kinda pointless and even lazy. In fact, eggyman says it best, it's childish.

Good point. maybe I'm just biased because I have to listen to my sister whine about it all the time.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I'm sorry for those who liked Garfield's Peter. I was not one of them. I don't like his portrayal. Keeping Garfield brings all the baggage of the Webbverse and Marvel will not want that. Garfield is a good actor and will bounce back and get other roles.

 

[JOE]

I love Garfield but he is a necessary casualty of war if the deal with Marvel is to happen.

Killing Garfield won't take out The Amazing Spider-Man from our memories... It just won't. Avi on the other hands...

(I understand you don't mean an actual casualty.)

 

[The Villain]

Seeing Garfield's Spider Man going up against Mysterio yeah that would be one wish.

2nd wish would be to see Webb direct with only Mysterio as main threat. It won't happen now but (miracles may happen) the links with Capt Stacey images and possible mind games that could lead to Spidey thinking he's going mad to top with the general public also going against him.

Old Mysterio playing the public for fools and also the paranoia that surrounds the city may work perfectly well.

Again this would need good writers and plenty of suspense to keep audience gripped.

Having JJ also may benefit the film to see him root for Mysterio kinda similar to his first major comic appearance. Framing the wall crawler.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Fans of the old guy always complain about when they get replaced. It happens to everybody, except those rare few that are universally hated like George Clooney's Batman. Look at how Mark Ruffalo got booed at the Avengers unveiling. Look at the reaction when Pierce Brosnan was replaced as James Bond. They'll get over it. They always do. Unless the new guy is terrible, of course.