Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - Part 9

[Doctor Octopus]

What?

What what?

 

[harryoscop]

What?

What?

 

[LizardMan07]

I don't think most people will at the end of the day. Before anyone tells me to look on twitter or something else equally as lame again to see fans petitioning that Garfield stays, we saw the same thing back in 2006/7 with Superman fans petitioning to keep Brandon Routh and the whole Superman Returns universe alive.

Look how that turned out. Nobody gives a toss. It will be the same story when the Spider-Man franchise moves on. Hopefully to greener pastures because they can't possibly get any worse with the way it is now.

Joker it's a bit frustrating that you continuLly keep this belief that nobody cares about Garfield leaving when it's been shown time and time again that a fair chunk of the fanbase actually DO like Garfield.

Your post disregarded sections of fans on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, tumblr, reddit and change.org. You've basically labelled the opinions of everyone not on SHH as not important because Superman had petitions in 2007 or something.

Just because something happened once doesn't mean it'll happen again. We can only go with what is actually a part of reality which I detailed pretty clearly a few pages back.

Is it dumb to keep andrew if the rights to back to marvel? Hell yeah, stupidest thing they could do.

Is it dumb for Sony to reboot and ditch Garfield in their own universe? Yes, it'd be the equivalent of them killing the movies before they start

The only way Sony doesn't get completely lambasted by the general audience and fans alike is to at best, work with marvel, and at worst, keep Garfield.

 

[Nemeres]

Spoiler

Disagreed. The only times Peter lacked confidence and became shy was when he was around MJ because of how he felt about her romantically. Apart from that he was never lacking it. And being a dork, Peter Parker is always a dork, before and after Spider-Man. That is part of the character's charm. He's still a nerd. Except he has powers.

Peter's hair never changed before and after Spider-Man:

90's cartoon Peter and Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon Peter did not change their hair either.

Peter still got teased and picked on all the way into college in the comics. By Flash, and even Harry initially.

I do not know what is wrong with jeans, a sweater and shirt for a date, especially to meet someone you're already dating.



Garfield Peter was too cocky and confident before he became Spider-Man. Garfield's Parker was listening to headphones and skateboarding through school halls even when he told not to. Standing up to Flash Thompson when he was bullying another kid.

He only got worse when he got his powers because he showed off more with them. He is the most unlikable Peter Parker ever.

Peter's a dork, but he's a cool dork. He's funny, he's witty, he's talky, he's the cool older brother. He's been like that in every comic that I've read, don't know about you. And I don't think Maguire and coolness go hand in hand, I'll put it like that. He rarely, if ever, came through with that part of the character.

Regarding Garfield's uncharacteristic confidence pre-bite in the first film, I agree. But I sum up my thoughts by quoting myself from another thread, I think I explained myself there well:

For me, both Parker portrayals were off the mark at one point, so I wouldn't call either one perfect. It makes total sense to have Peter be an awkward nerd pre-bite, just as it makes total sense to have him be a much more confident extrovert once he's Spider-Man. Maguire came through with the former, Garfield with the latter. On the other hand, why would a cool skateboarder who looks like Garfiled be so unpopular in high school? Or a guy who spends his days swinging around, doing cool stuff and saving people be as dorky and square as Maguire?

But since the bulk of the films belong to the post-bite Peter, I'd have to give the edge to ol' Garfield. Even if Maguire's first 2 films were miles better.

 

[Ultron-5]

Garfield's Peter WAS too cocky. He quickly went from loser to popular kid in the blink of an eye. And you'd think after how he humiliated Flash, people would consider him a jerk. But no, a kid who humiliates people is a cool kid I guess. Also, he came across more as a skateboarder dude then a nerd.

 

[The Joker]

Joker it's a bit frustrating that you continuLly keep this belief that nobody cares about Garfield leaving when it's been shown time and time again that a fair chunk of the fanbase actually DO like Garfield.

Your post disregarded sections of fans on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, tumblr, reddit and change.org. You've basically labelled the opinions of everyone not on SHH as not important because Superman had petitions in 2007 or something.

I never once said nobody cares about Garfield leaving, I said nobody is going to lose any sleep over it at the end of the day. As in once it happens and Spidey moves on. This very same thing happened before with Superman Returns, and it passed. Nobody cares any more.

What signs are there here that this is going to be a different scenario? It's fan petitioning to keep a lead from a comic book movie/movies that got a lukewarm reception.

Just because something happened once doesn't mean it'll happen again. We can only go with what is actually a part of reality which I detailed pretty clearly a few pages back.

This is the same type of reality as back in 2006/7. I've no reason to believe this is not the case here. Just because Garfield is cited as the best part of one mediocre and one poor movie doesn't mean there's going to be a big uproar when he goes.

That's just wishful thinking. He is totally replaceable. As long as a good actor is cast, and a good movie is delivered, the fans and audiences as a whole will be perfectly content with Garfield being gone.

You can count on it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't think most people will at the end of the day. Before anyone tells me to look on twitter or something else equally as lame again to see fans petitioning that Garfield stays, we saw the same thing back in 2006/7 with Superman fans petitioning to keep Brandon Routh and the whole Superman Returns universe alive.

Fans complain every time an actor is replaced. They complained when Garfield replaced Maguire. They complained when Daniel Craig replaced Pierce Brosnan. Heck, they complained when Michael Keaton replaced Adam West.

And as long as the new guy is good, they come around. It happens all the time. If the new guy does well, they will all be talking about how much better he is than Garfield.

Unless the current guy is a Clooney-esque disaster, a good portion of fans always love the current guy above all else. I remember when Roger Moore was the BEST BOND EVER. And I remember when Timothy Dalton was the best Bond since Connery, not like that clown Roger Moore. And I remember when Pierce Brosnan was the second coming of Connery and Bond was fun again after that boring Timothy Dalton. And now Daniel Craig is the BEST BOND EVER and Brosnan was horrible. It is an endless cycle.

 

[Nemeres]

Garfield's Peter WAS too cocky. He quickly went from loser to popular kid in the blink of an eye. And you'd think after how he humiliated Flash, people would consider him a jerk. But no, a kid who humiliates people is a cool kid I guess. Also, he came across more as a skateboarder dude then a nerd.

He was an a-hole bully. He smashed his face in earlier in the movie, he bullied the Gordon kid, he throws basketballs at people's heads willy-nilly and he told the cute geeky girl with the billboard to "Watch her back" (wtf?). Why people think he or the car robber deserved sympathy is truly, 101% beyond me.

 

[GuestStar2004]

No actor is irreplaceable, doesnt mean much since the new guy is either gonna be terrible or very good and win over the audience, obviously like the toby fans there will be andrew fans unwilling to accept the new guy straight away

 

[harryoscop]

Garfield's Peter WAS too cocky. He quickly went from loser to popular kid in the blink of an eye. And you'd think after how he humiliated Flash, people would consider him a jerk. But no, a kid who humiliates people is a cool kid I guess. Also, he came across more as a skateboarder dude then a nerd.

I really don't understand this complaint..

Why do people feel sorry for Flash? Flash was a fricking bully for Christ sakes!! he got what was coming to him!
I loved it when Peter humiliated him.

 

[Tymminator]

What what?

I would have to reread it, but in the comcs I'm 85% pretty sure after high school graduation, Flash went off to war. (Then it was. Vietnam).

You see him shake Pete's hand at High school graduation (tells peter he's an ok guy but he's not "spider-man") and although he does pop up from time to time (often to hang out with Pete. Harry, MJ and Gwen) he does not keep picking on Pete, at least to the degree in High school. The most that would happen is one occasion were Flash made an off comment that led to a run in were they almost came to blows (Flash said he was just playing and Peter felt Flash was trying to make him look bad in front of Gwen) but overall they did became friends in this time period. After the war they became better friends.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I like the movies fine I put 'nos' because the characters in Avengers aren't complex (especially the army Loki commands) and Avengers is 100% plot driven.

Guardians doesn't have complex characters. You can argue Star Lord is character driven but no one else is.

I said 'sophisticated' story telling. Only Iron Man and WS deliver that.

Guardians was entirely character driven, it barely even had a plot!

Anyway, count me in the quality over accuracy crowd. I love it when the films are accurate, but quality comes first for me. (Case in point: IM3)

 

[The Joker]

Fans complain every time an actor is replaced. They complained when Garfield replaced Maguire. They complained when Daniel Craig replaced Pierce Brosnan. Heck, they complained when Michael Keaton replaced Adam West.

And as long as the new guy is good, they come around. It happens all the time. If the new guy does well, they will all be talking about how much better he is than Garfield.

Unless the current guy is a Clooney-esque disaster, a good portion of fans always love the current guy above all else. I remember when Roger Moore was the BEST BOND EVER. And I remember when Timothy Dalton was the best Bond since Connery, not like that clown Roger Moore. And I remember when Pierce Brosnan was the second coming of Connery and Bond was fun again after that boring Timothy Dalton. And now Daniel Craig is the BEST BOND EVER and Brosnan was horrible. It is an endless cycle.

Exactly. You can bet if the internet was around in the days of those previous Bonds there would have been fan petitions just like now.

I really don't understand this complaint..

Why do people feel sorry for Flash? Flash was a fricking bully for Christ sakes!! he got what was coming to him!
I loved it when Peter humiliated him.

It's the same reason why Uncle Ben lectures him over it after. He was showing off. It's one thing to fight back and defend yourself, it's another to make a holy show of someone, even if they're a-holes.

I felt no sympathy for Flash either, but Peter could have put Flash in his place without doing the whole humiliation thing with the basketball.

 

[Ultron-5]

I really don't understand this complaint..

Why do people feel sorry for Flash? Flash was a fricking bully for Christ sakes!! he got what was coming to him!
I loved it when Peter humiliated him.

In the Raimi films it made more sense because Flash was attacking Peter. Peter was just defending himself. In TASM Peter was just acting like a jerk and he damaged school property.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I really don't understand this complaint..

Why do people feel sorry for Flash? Flash was a fricking bully for Christ sakes!! he got what was coming to him!
I loved it when Peter humiliated him.

It isn't about Flash. It is about Peter. He's cool, cocky, and stands up to bullies. Even before he gets bitten. That's not who Peter Parker is.

That would be like Marvel making an Iron Man movie where Tony Stark is a quiet family man.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

In the Raimi films it made more sense because Flash was attacking Peter. Peter was just defending himself. In TASM Peter was just acting like a jerk and he damaged school property.

That too.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I would have to reread it, but in the comcs I'm 85% pretty sure after high school graduation, Flash went off to war. (Then it was. Vietnam).

You see him shake Pete's hand at High school graduation (tells peter he's an ok guy but he's not "spider-man") and although he does pop up from time to time (often to hang out with Pete. Harry, MJ and Gwen) he does not keep picking on Pete, at least to the degree in High school. The most that would happen is one occasion were Flash made an off comment that led to a run in were they almost came to blows (Flash said he was just playing and Peter felt Flash was trying to make him look bad in front of Gwen) but overall they did became friends in this time period. After the war they became better friends.

That is only the first day of college too. So much for thinking Peter is ok lol. And he picks on him like this lots in the college days.

 

[DareDemon]

Garfield's Peter WAS too cocky. He quickly went from loser to popular kid in the blink of an eye. And you'd think after how he humiliated Flash, people would consider him a jerk. But no, a kid who humiliates people is a cool kid I guess. Also, he came across more as a skateboarder dude then a nerd.

Oh please. He didn't "humiliate" Flash, he made a slam dunk. Should we ban basketball from existing or something? I don't know if you're serious or just making stuff up to support your point.

If beating someone in basketball makes you a jerk..... You may just be too sensitive.

Bear in mind, Flash was 80s movie bully evil before Uncle Ben died. He threatened a girl, something I've never seen even happen in real life. The stuff he did would make him end up in jail nowadays. Being defeated in basketball was an enormous blessing compared to what should have happened to him.

Bare in mind, I ended up liking Flash and I also agree with your point that Peter didn't seem to have any reason to be considered unpopular. But you don't need to make stuff up to support that.

 

[Spiderine]

It was like the filmmakers were trying to hit you over the head that Peter needed to realize he should be more responsible with his newfound abilities. And thus came the Uncle Ben speech. It really came off badly written and executed.

 

[harryoscop]

In the Raimi films it made more sense because Flash was attacking Peter. Peter was just defending himself. In TASM Peter was just acting like a jerk and he damaged school property.

Okay I will admit Peter started the fight, but of course he's going to be a little reckless at first considering he's been the underdog his whole life.

Exactly. You can bet if the internet was around in the days of those previous Bonds there would have been fan petitions just like now.



It's the same reason why Uncle Ben lectures him over it after. He was showing off. It's one thing to fight back and defend yourself, it's another to make a holy show of someone, even if they're a-holes.

I felt no sympathy for Flash either, but Peter could have put Flash in his place without doing the whole humiliation thing with the basketball.

Peter
Peter's personality in ASM is more reminiscent of USM than the classic comics. Peter was reckless in USM too, in that version he actually broke Flash's hand!
Peter shouldn't have started the fight tho.

 

[Tymminator]

That is only the first day of college too. So much for thinking Peter is ok lol. And he picks on him like this lots in the college days.

Ok, I was wrong there, but I know it gets better. When does he go to war?

 

[Ultron-5]

Oh please. He didn't "humiliate" Flash, he made a slam dunk. Should we ban basketball from existing or something? I don't know if you're serious or just making stuff up to support your point.

If beating someone in basketball makes you a jerk..... You may just be too sensitive.

Bear in mind, Flash was 80s movie bully evil before Uncle Ben died. He threatened a girl, something I've never seen even happen in real life. The stuff he did would make him end up in jail nowadays. Being defeated in basketball was an enormous blessing compared to what should have happened to him.

Bare in mind, I ended up liking Flash and I also agree with your point that Peter didn't seem to have any reason to be considered unpopular. But you don't need to make stuff up to support that.

You may want to watch that scene again... it was made pretty clear that Peter was humiliating Flash. Heck, Uncle Ben even scolded him for it!

 

[Tymminator]

Actually I remember that after Harry snaps on Peter and then apologized about it, Flash oversees the whole thing and thinks that he may have been wrong about Peter because Peter was sitting there talking to Harry giving him advice. That may have been the starting point for Flash. All of this must be before he goes to war.

 

[harryoscop]

That is only the first day of college too. So much for thinking Peter is ok lol. And he picks on him like this lots in the college days.

Damn, Harry was ugly in the classic comics lol.

 

[Ultron-5]

I think an opening credits montage similar to the opening credits in SM2 and SM3 woud be a good way to show Peter getting his powers and maybe Uncle Ben's death and Peter suiting up for the first time to catch the killer.