Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - Part 9

[Spider2099]

I think he's certainly one of the best Spider-Man villains, though I wouldn't call him the "greatest." All a matter of taste though.

 

[Doc Ock]

I used to love Venom as a kid, now I think he is fine. Flash Thompson as Venom was wonderful and one of my favorite runs of the Venom character.

 

[Stormz96]

I prefer venom as an anti-hero rather than an antagonist tbh. His stories are very punisher-esque (there was a really cool team-up between the two in the 90s venom solo series)

 

[Spider2099]

As a kid I thought Venom meant everything, but that was mainly due to the 90s animated series. Ah the nostalgia...

 

[spiderman2]

I don't get it. Why is Venom considered by some to be Spider-Man's greatest enemy? He looks cool and has cool powers but there are villains who are so much better.

To me he is my favorite villain because he looks cool and has the same powers has spider man but like 5 times stronger so if you can just give him a good motivation to hate petter then he can be great. I thought his motivations in sm3 wasn't bad he just wasn't in the movie enough and they needed some one better to play him.

 

[spiderman2]

I'll answer this! Venom pushed spidey to paranio and made him flee for his life at one point. He didn't just attack spiderman he attacked loved ones and made it a point to do so. He knew everything about spiderman and was stronger so spidey sought help from ff cause he didn't know how to handle him. Venom couldn't even trigger his spidey sense so spidey was more on edge not to mention he shape shifted.

Green goblin was a more arch nemesis but venom was the ultimate challenge for spidey. He knew everything about him and instead of fighting him directly he played with his mind and toyed with him and would ambush him from out of nowhere. Perfect movie villian if adapted properly.

couldn't have said it better.

 

[spiderman2]

I'm really tired of people trying to say this guy has always been a cool confident guy in the comics.

Also that this guy:

doesn't do this:

I think I have seen just has many people say that he was confident and people say that he was not always a nerd and I think Garfield came off to cool and toeby to nerdy need a middle ground between Garfield and tobey peter but garfields sm is perfect!

 

[XSpidercideX]

How are moments from his early days (pre-bite no less) any proof of his current personality? What confuses me the most is how many Spidey fans still uphold the belief that the man who has had multiple lovers (one who is a supermodel mind you) would still carry the look and attributes of a basement dweller.

I know. And no one is making the claim that Peter was always cool and confident. Who has argued that EVER? He grew in confidence after becoming Spidey.

You could always post scenes from comics to show different time periods of Peter's life.

Posting this would imply that he likes to go out and dance (but I wouldn't make that claim about the character, even after his marriage he's never been that into it). Even years later he wasn't exactly the most extroverted character as seen below:

 

[spiderman2]

Garfield's Peter WAS too cocky. He quickly went from loser to popular kid in the blink of an eye. And you'd think after how he humiliated Flash, people would consider him a jerk. But no, a kid who humiliates people is a cool kid I guess. Also, he came across more as a skateboarder dude then a nerd.

He is a teenager who just got his powers now and wanting to get back at some one is not being a jerk and its not like he hurt flash. I swear peter being a jerk in asm1 and 2 is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! I have learned that if peter acts like a teenager people are going to think he is a jerk no matter what.

 

[spiderman2]

OMG he damaged school property? that totally ruins the name of peter parker

its pretty obviously it was attempting to show his cockyness after getting his powers which is a faithful plot element from the source material even if it wasn't a direct adaption of the events

as for saying about peter standing up to flash... its not like he decided to start a fight with him, in the end he was trying to help another kid and took a hit from flash for it

i think had peter not stood up to flash there would be people saying oh peter just let that kid get bullied

Yeah how is protecting some one from a bully being a jerk lol. Peter in sm 2 letting a guy get beat up in a ally is way more of a jerk then any thing peter did in asm1 or 2.

 

[spiderman2]

I think I'm the only person who prefers both ASM 1 & 2 over every single movie Marvel has put out, lol.

ASM2 I do but asm1 I don't lol

 

[spiderman2]

I think the fatal error some fans make about garfields portrayal is that they look at the ditko era for comparison, but really a nerd is not the same as it was in the 70's. Most nerds I know are really good with women haha The focus on this version is that he's an outsider. Most people think peter parker should be like this hideous dork, but really when you look at the comics the dude is swimming in women lol

I think the cockiness was justified in a modern context
1. he's a teen with SUPER POWERS
2. He's got a hot girlfriend
3.extremely famous (as spider-man)
Most young people ARE self absorbed and feel invincible (until after college) haha and with him being bullied it was because of his intellect, and it was by one person in particular (FLASH) other than that he was just an outsider that was in his own world.

I liked the scene in TASM when he stuck up for the kid being bullied by flash before he got his powers, it gave this version more of a backbone and showed the "fight for the underdog" quality that spidey possesses.

If you look at the last 2 TASM movies it shows that he's still BECOMING spider-man, which is gradual.
In TASM he was so hellbent on finding his uncles killer that he didn't realize he could help others until about halfway through lol
By TASM 3 he should be the spider-man we all know in love, having experienced losing a loved one and taking his crimefighting seriously. Even though they dropped the ball on Tasm2, the franchise is not beyond repair, and garfield should be given some closure.

Nicely said!

 

[degraves93]

I love the comics, but honestly, as long as I like what I see onscreen, I don't give a flyin' fig how comics accurate Peter is.

 

[spiderman2]

For me, this is the bottom line, I want;

1. A movie that is self contained.
Enough of set up, I'm sick of that now.

2. Sophisticated story telling.
I want a serious and complex movie that 'happens' to star Spider-Man.

3. Complex characters.
I want a character driven movie with characters that move scene to scene based on their actions and the actions of others rather than because the PLOT tells them to be in a location.

That's what I want and I don't give a **** if Sony, Marvel or anyone else delivers that. What I will say is, look at Marvel's track record and how often they have delivered the above;
IM - yes
TIH - no
Thor - no
CA - no
IM2 - no
Avengers - no
IM3 - no
Thor 2 - no
WS - yes
GotG - no

Basically, from Marvel I am far more likely to see a fun, throwaway, popcorn movie than a nuanced movie with sophisticated story telling.
I think I am far more likely to get what I want if Spider-Man stays where he is and an A list director is hired and the current producers are sacked.

Spider-Man interacting with Iron Man would be cool, Spider-Man that is hailed in the same breath as the Dark Knight is far better, at least for me.

for those movies I would go
IM- ok bad most overrated CBM ever and its not even close.
Thor-ok
CA-OK
IM-OK
avengers- good but far form great
Im3- slightly good
Thor- ok
WE- Amazing
The other ones I haven't seen.

 

[spiderman2]

I was an extra in a movie once a few years back (well, actually I didn't end up getting into the scene but I was still there for 8 or 9 hours, costumed and paid so XD) and $148 sounds like about what I got. It was in that ballpark.

That is interesting to hear.

 

[LizardMan07]

You can reply to more than one post at once sm2

Do you know how?

 

[spiderman2]

You can reply to more than one post at once sm2

Do you know how?

Really? and man things are going fast with all the rumors lol.

 

[LizardMan07]

Really? and man things are going fast with all the rumors lol.

What I do is have two tabs open, one for quoting and one for replying.

Only need it for big posts. Generally if you're making two seperate points a minute or so after the other it's better to just edit it into one post instead of two. Doesn't really matter, just a clutter thing.

vbulletin isn't the best for multiple quotes compared to Xenforo or whatever "Bigfooty" uses.

Yeah, we'll get a new rumour every day or two for the rest of January I feel, wait until we see the "leakers" come out of the woods.

 

[Wildcard]

I think I have seen just has many people say that he was confident and people say that he was not always a nerd and I think Garfield came off to cool and toeby to nerdy need a middle ground between Garfield and tobey peter but garfields sm is perfect!

I disagree on the middle ground bit. As long as the core of the character is kept intact I think it doesn't matter if he's played as a little cooler or more on the nerdy side. Each interpretation works & Tobey and Andrew have done great respectively.

It gets muddy when all the actors try doing the same thing. And it gets boring.

 

[spider-neil]

Casting call page is doing the rounds on lots of media outlets now.

 

[LizardMan07]

Yeah, SWH said that they're legit, had one for TASM2 as well.

Some media outlet would have debunked it by now if it wasn't at least slightly legitimate

 

[OriginalMiles]

It is fake though... c'mon, the site has a page for a casting call for a WB movie that has the DOFP plot.

 

[chamber-music]

OMG he damaged school property? that totally ruins the name of peter parker

its pretty obviously it was attempting to show his cockyness after getting his powers which is a faithful plot element from the source material even if it wasn't a direct adaption of the events

as for saying about peter standing up to flash... its not like he decided to start a fight with him, in the end he was trying to help another kid and took a hit from flash for it

i think had peter not stood up to flash there would be people saying oh peter just let that kid get bullied

Exactly.

Back in Amazing Spider-Man 8 Peter took the opportunity to knock Flash out in a boxing match.


If movie peter did that it sounds like some people would be calling him a cocky jerk and a bully.

I like in Amazing Spider-Man that Peter and Flash did actually become friends.

 

[Daltonio]

What what?

I was just wondering how standing up to help someone being bullied was one of your reasons for him being "unlikable". Seems like the definition of likable to me.

 

[Daltonio]

Yeah, SWH said that they're legit, had one for TASM2 as well.

Some media outlet would have debunked it by now if it wasn't at least slightly legitimate