Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - Part 9

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It was more the way he acted that made dane seem older to me, he was channeling Dicaprio at times. I thought he was a believable high schooler in Place Beyond the Pines because of his more shy outsider personality, but he didn't seem out of place with Garfield to me, they both seemed older than their actual age IMO

His looks are very youthful still, I'll admit.
Maybe it's just me then.
 
So, my ideal villain usage for the MCU flicks is this: Mysterio as the main villain for film one, with Shocker as a secondary. This would introduce Kingpin as a recurring enemy as well, and some others like pre-transformation Otto and Norman. Film two would have Ock as the main villain with Vulture as a secondary, and it would introduce Kraven as well. Film three would be the KLH adaptation, with Rhino filling in for Vermin. Film four would be the grand finale, either with Goblin as the sole villain or a Sinister Six fight.
 
Personally speaking I thought Garfield looked like a teen in specific shots. For instance at the dinner table and a lot older in other shots like when movie transitions from young Peter being handed over to May and Ben to when he is looking in the mirror and then basketball hits him, you can see the lines in his forehead.

In ASM2 Garfield looked early twenties whilst Dahaan looked like a teen.
 
Anyone ever notice Harry!Goblin is the only Spider-Man villain that he actually beat in a fight in both series?

SM1:Green Goblin kills himself
SM2: Doc Ock regains control, kills himself
SM3:Spidey beats New Goblin, twice. Defeats Venom through sound and Goblin's bomb, Sandman just ****ing leaves
ASM1: Lizard is cured, technically beat Spider-Man before Captain Stacy shows up
ASM2: Electro technically defeated by technology, Gwen pulled the switch. Green Goblin gets knocked out and actually sent to jail, that's a first! Rhino doesn't count because he presumably gets defeated offscreen.


Harry's the only guy ever beaten hand to hand. Harry Osborn sucks.
 
So, my ideal villain usage for the MCU flicks is this: Mysterio as the main villain for film one, with Shocker as a secondary. This would introduce Kingpin as a recurring enemy as well, and some others like pre-transformation Otto and Norman. Film two would have Ock as the main villain with Vulture as a secondary, and it would introduce Kraven as well. Film three would be the KLH adaptation, with Rhino filling in for Vermin. Film four would be the grand finale, either with Goblin as the sole villain or a Sinister Six fight.

My ideal first film is Mysterio with Norman Osborn as a side-antagonist as the new iron patriot, being drawn out after mysterio frames spidey. Mysterio would be working for Kingpin, but he'd have his own intentions in mind, his sole purpose being to put on a show for the city starring him as the hero and spidey as the bad guy.

The sequel would be Doc Ock, with Lizard and Electro as side villains being manipulated by doc ock.
 
Anyone ever notice Harry!Goblin is the only Spider-Man villain that he actually beat in a fight in both series?

SM1:Green Goblin kills himself
SM2: Doc Ock regains control, kills himself
SM3:Spidey beats New Goblin, twice. Defeats Venom through sound and Goblin's bomb, Sandman just ****ing leaves
ASM1: Lizard is cured, technically beat Spider-Man before Captain Stacy shows up
ASM2: Electro technically defeated by technology, Gwen pulled the switch. Green Goblin gets knocked out and actually sent to jail, that's a first! Rhino doesn't count because he presumably gets defeated offscreen.


Harry's the only guy ever beaten hand to hand. Harry Osborn sucks.

Kinda ironic, considering Harry is the one he'd have the most sympathy for
 
Anyone ever notice Harry!Goblin is the only Spider-Man villain that he actually beat in a fight in both series?

SM1:Green Goblin kills himself
SM2: Doc Ock regains control, kills himself
SM3:Spidey beats New Goblin, twice. Defeats Venom through sound and Goblin's bomb, Sandman just ****ing leaves
ASM1: Lizard is cured, technically beat Spider-Man before Captain Stacy shows up
ASM2: Electro technically defeated by technology, Gwen pulled the switch. Green Goblin gets knocked out and actually sent to jail, that's a first! Rhino doesn't count because he presumably gets defeated offscreen.


Harry's the only guy ever beaten hand to hand. Harry Osborn sucks.

In a lot of these instances, he indirectly defeated them or used his wits when the villain had him on the ropes. He beat Goblin to a bloody pulp for threatening MJ, shocked Octopus back to his senses, made his amends with Sandman, and separated Venom with the iron bars. In the ASM series, I noticed he relied markedly less on brute force, mostly because he was completely outclassed by the Lizard and Electro. But you're right about Harry, and, despite the fact that it probably took more than the manhole cover to take down Rhino, he presumably won that fight.
 
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My ideal first film is Mysterio with Norman Osborn as a side-antagonist as the new iron patriot, being drawn out after mysterio frames spidey. Mysterio would be working for Kingpin, but he'd have his own intentions in mind, his sole purpose being to put on a show for the city starring him as the hero and spidey as the bad guy.

The sequel would be Doc Ock, with Lizard and Electro as side villains being manipulated by doc ock.


The Mysterio storyline is probably what we'll see, but I simply don't want Norman as anyone but Gobby. It's been 13 years since we've seen Norman as the Goblin, so maybe have him as a side character until the last movies. As for the sequel, yes to Ock, but I'd rather they go with someone like Vulture as opposed to reusing Lizard and Electro. Kraven would be introduced as well prior to a KLH adaptation.
 
lately i´ve been thinking...Do you think Sinister Six is going to happen? Sony hasn´t said a thing since the push-back for TASM3... Suicide Squad has a cast and warner kinda stole their thunder with the supervillain team up, i honestly think they lost their chance and now they are freaking out for that too...
 
lately i´ve been thinking...Do you think Sinister Six is going to happen? Sony hasn´t said a thing since the push-back for TASM3... Suicide Squad has a cast and warner kinda stole their thunder with the supervillain team up, i honestly think they lost their chance and now they are freaking out for that too...

Nothing is certain for now, but if you ask me, I don't see Sinister Six happening.
 
The Mysterio storyline is probably what we'll see, but I simply don't want Norman as anyone but Gobby. It's been 13 years since we've seen Norman as the Goblin, so maybe have him as a side character until the last movies. As for the sequel, yes to Ock, but I'd rather they go with someone like Vulture as opposed to reusing Lizard and Electro. Kraven would be introduced as well prior to a KLH adaptation.

Kraven could actually take the place of Norman Osborn easily in my idea. He could be a bounty hunter who's not in it for the justice but for the thrill of the hunt.

I actually would like to see vulture headlining his own movie sometime. He could be introduced as an assistant for ock as well, he is an engineer after all.
 
Kraven could actually take the place of Norman Osborn easily in my idea. He could be a bounty hunter who's not in it for the justice but for the thrill of the hunt.

I actually would like to see vulture headlining his own movie sometime. He could be introduced as an assistant for ock as well, he is an engineer after all.

I like the bounty hunter idea, but I want that element of the jungle and voodoo mysticism to be retained, especially if Calypso is involved. Kraven's m.o. is that he's taken down savage animals, and now he wants to take down something beyond human or animal. I also don't want there to be some personal reason other than his own arrogance and pride for hunting Spidey down. Also, Ock and Vulture are intellectual/scientific types, so they'd work well together.
 
I like the bounty hunter idea, but I want that element of the jungle and voodoo mysticism to be retained, especially if Calypso is involved. Kraven's m.o. is that he's taken down savage animals, and now he wants to take down something beyond human or animal. I also don't want there to be some personal reason other than his own arrogance and pride for hunting Spidey down. Also, Ock and Vulture are intellectual/scientific types, so they'd work well together.

Toomes could be like Octavius's Igor. Together they can run their experiments on countless people, maybe including one Curt Connors or Max Dillon? And they can even reference Toomes original origin by having Octavius betray him

(Something like that I would only trust marvel with, as it's too much characters for sony to handle)
 
Toomes could be like Octavius's Igor. Together they can run their experiments on countless people, maybe including one Curt Connors or Max Dillon? And they can even reference Toomes original origin by having Octavius betray him

(Something like that I would only trust marvel with, as it's too much characters for sony to handle)

Maybe just references to Connors and Dillon? I really would prefer they stick to unused villains, save Goblin and Ock and maybe Rhino. I don't know about being Octavius's Igor, but I could definitely see him being employed by him. Maybe Toomes resents having to answer to Octavius before both of them unite in their hatred of Spider-Man.
 
Raimi's Spider-Man was the first modern Superhero blockbuster franchise. It showed people that comicbook films could be super smash hits again after Batman and Robin nearly destroyed the genre. Blade was a hit and X-Men was an even bigger hit but both did peanuts compared to Spider-Man. .

Those movies showed that comic book adaptations could take themselves seriously, and even lesser-known characters could succeed. Blade was the first modern CBM, and X-men was the launching of a 7-movie (and more to come) universe, which was unthinkable a few years prior to 2000. The importance of those movies can't be overstated.
 
Toomes deserves more than to be anyone's Igor. He's a good villain, doesn't take to being pushed around, and so working for Ock for mutual benefit like in the Sinister Six sounds more like Toomes' style. Except if you're talking pre-villainy then working under Otto as a fellow scientist for a mutual scientific goal. But Ock is the stronger personality, and generally more intelligent, that's why he's leader material. The alpha dog of the villains when it comes to this kind of working together situations.
 
Toomes deserves more than to be anyone's Igor. He's a good villain, doesn't take to being pushed around, and so working for Ock for mutual benefit like in the Sinister Six sounds more like Toomes' style. Except if you're talking pre-villainy then working under Otto as a fellow scientist for a mutual scientific goal. But Ock is the stronger personality, and generally more intelligent, that's why he's leader material. The alpha dog of the villains when it comes to this kind of working together situations.

I imagine the two of them having a sort of mutual respect, both of them are highly intelligent.
 
Anyone ever notice Harry!Goblin is the only Spider-Man villain that he actually beat in a fight in both series?

SM1:Green Goblin kills himself
SM2: Doc Ock regains control, kills himself
SM3:Spidey beats New Goblin, twice. Defeats Venom through sound and Goblin's bomb, Sandman just ****ing leaves
ASM1: Lizard is cured, technically beat Spider-Man before Captain Stacy shows up
ASM2: Electro technically defeated by technology, Gwen pulled the switch. Green Goblin gets knocked out and actually sent to jail, that's a first! Rhino doesn't count because he presumably gets defeated offscreen.


Harry's the only guy ever beaten hand to hand. Harry Osborn sucks.

Spidey beat Norman with his Spider-sense and dexterity. Ock was beaten too until Peter appealed to him to stop the reactor. He also beat Sandman in their 2nd battle in SM3.
 
Toomes deserves more than to be anyone's Igor. He's a good villain, doesn't take to being pushed around, and so working for Ock for mutual benefit like in the Sinister Six sounds more like Toomes' style. Except if you're talking pre-villainy then working under Otto as a fellow scientist for a mutual scientific goal. But Ock is the stronger personality, and generally more intelligent, that's why he's leader material. The alpha dog of the villains when it comes to this kind of working together situations.

I meant to start him out, if they wanted to introduce him before he headlines his own film. I've stated this many times around here, I'd love to see Vulture headline his own spiderman film, he deserves it
 
I imagine the two of them having a sort of mutual respect, both of them are highly intelligent.

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Vulture kinda looks like Ian McKellen in those panels. It's not that one of them is more or less intelligent than the other, it's just that their goals are generally different. Octavius has grand ambitions towards world domination, Toomes is motivated by revenge and greed.
 
Vulture kinda looks like Ian McKellen in those panels. It's not that one of them is more or less intelligent than the other, it's just that their goals are generally different. Octavius has grand ambitions towards world domination, Toomes is motivated by revenge and greed.

I could actually see them butting heads at some point in film. I'd say star them together, and as vultures ambitions grow he can begin to resent ock for treating him as below him, then he can take the suit and storm off, leaving his plot to be resolved in his own spiderman film
 
Vulture kinda looks like Ian McKellen in those panels.

Wouldn't he make a grand Vulture. Although shaking his Magneto image may be tricky for some fans.

It's not that one of them is more or less intelligent than the other, it's just that their goals are generally different. Octavius has grand ambitions towards world domination, Toomes is motivated by revenge and greed.

While you're right about them generally having different goals, Toomes has expressed desire to rule the world, too. Ock has generally displayed more intelligence than Toomes has. Not just in the scientific field, but as a criminal, too. I mean he even out smarted Vulture and the others in the Return of the Sinister Six arc, where he used them like puppets, and duped them all to carry out his plan, and then back stabbed them:

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I could actually see them butting heads at some point in film. I'd say star them together, and as vultures ambitions grow he can begin to resent ock for treating him as below him, then he can take the suit and storm off, leaving his plot to be resolved in his own spiderman film

That sounds awesome! Imagine Spidey taking them on at the same time! I imagine Vulture saying "screw this" and flying off like Nebula at the end of GOTG.
 
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