The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - Part 11

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[Ajendo]

Troy, Pablo and Scarlettess seem to be the only ones around here who are thinking straight. Jeez.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Troy, Pablo and Scarlettess seem to be the only ones around here who are thinking straight. Jeez.

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[Thwip!]

Yes, I don't get where people have come up with the idea that Peter was experimented on, nor why - if it's true - it somehow undermines WHO Peter is and WHAT makes him special.

Let's say his Dad DID messed with his DNA...so what? How does that change his character? How does this change the fact that he's a smart, nerdy, shy kid who gets spider powers, and uses them poorly before learning to use them responsibly after Uncle Ben's death? It's not like he even KNOWS that is what happened and walks around school with girls swooning over him because he has super genes.

People seem to be hanging on the fact that because his DNA being messed with changes Peter because now instead of "anyone" being able to be Spider-Man, now, ONLY Peter can.

Guess what?

ONLY Peter can be Spider-Man, regardless of what's in his DNA prior to the spider bite. It is PETER'S personality, his life lessons, his desire and his mistakes and need for repentance that MAKES Spider-Man. It has NOTHING to do with his DNA. And remember, it the comics, he learned of the Spider-totem, which is pretty much a mystical version of the dad-messing-with-his-DNA angle.



People can have more than one motivation. It's his desire to learn about his parents that starts the ball rolling. This does not take away from Ben at all. In fact, to me, it seems like it will help ACCENTUATE Ben's importance. Being obsessed with his parents might cause a rift between Peter and Ben, which would be a much more believable, and dramatic version of the little fight that Peter and Ben had in SM1. Upon his death, Peter will realize that by obsessing over his parents, he did not appreciate Ben.



Stories are full of "coincidences" if you want to look at it that way. But really its as simple as cause and effect. One event leads to another, which leads to another, etc.



Heh, you should be in the Olympic Long Jump competition, because that was one of the biggest jumps to a conclusion I've seen lately.

Ignoring the fact that we have NO IDEA if the rumor concerning Peter's DNA is true, there is NOTHING that suggests Peter getting bitten was some elaborate design by his father. ALL we know is that Peter's parents left in a hurry and were never heard from again. Plenty of stuff would have been left behind. The suitcase is a plot device - nothing more. Its what starts Peter's desire to find out more about his parents.



The second sentence doesn't change the first. The second sentence - if true (which again, we have no idea, and I've yet to see any evidence that supports the hysterics) - does nothing but add a little bit more story to the event, it fleshes it out. It can still be easily explained as "Peter Parker gains super-powers after being bitten by a radioactive spider." because that is STILL what happens.



Once again, we have no idea if this is true, and therefore we have no idea of the context of the rumor. I would agree that if his dad just came home one day and decided he wanted to dick around with his son's DNA, that'd be a problem. BUT not knowing what the context is - why he did it, and what, exactly did he do if anything - doesn't allow us to judge his actions. Even still, I, as an audience member, WOULD care about Peter uncovering the mystery, because I WOULD want to know why.

I agree entirely

And it doesn't need to happen, lol.

Oh i know, that still doesn't stop me wanting it to happen :P

I just hope that we have some good strength feats in ASM. I guess holding on to a SUV is a good feat, but hopefully there will be many others. People take it for granted just how strong he really is.

Me too, let's be shown just what the proportionate strength of a spider can do

Spidey's currently able to lift something like 10 tons now since One More Day right?

 

[Micromind]

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I think that Peter's father might be genetically experimenting with different species of Spiders and not his son Peter.

I mean, in his lab he is clearly trying to do some experiment involving different species of spiders, and it is possible that one such genetically altered spider (which is unique) later on bites Peter Parker which gives him his Spider powers.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

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I think that Peter's father might be genetically experimenting with different species of Spiders and not his son Peter.

I mean, in his lab he is clearly trying to do some experiment involving different species of spiders, and it is possible that one such genetically altered spider (which is unique) later on bites Peter Parker which gives him his Spider powers.

Still kinda ties in to the whole "not an accident" thing I guess.

I think what people have been doing, myself included, is piecing the dialogue together and making conclusions from it. Stuff like "do you have any idea what you really are?" and "do you think what happened to you was an accident" kind of hints at something that may have happened when Peter was little. Plus they inter-cut it with scenes from his childhood with his dad, so it's not unreasonable to speculate that maybe something happened to Peter that led him to becoming Spidey.

All merely speculation of course. I really couldn't care either way. I am kind of craving a different take on the origin, so I wouldn't hate it.

 

[Goliath]

[QUOTE="Thwhip!]Spidey's currently able to lift something like 10 tons now since One More Day right? [/QUOTE]

I thought he could comfortably lift 10 tons. The upper limit is closer to 15 tons, I think but perhaps the comic experts can chime in and elaborate since I'm certainly not one of them.

I just hope that the film will depict Spider Man close to how he is in the comics. There are some outrageous moments in the comics of him holding a building up and a train, but those are isolated events I think.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Hrm, guys?

Look at the trailer and stop as Peter's dad working on that chalkboard.....there's an area that say 'Araknid Genome'.

 

[chaseter]

It's obvious that Richard admires spiders.

Can spiders regrow limbs? Was that maybe what he and Connors were working on instead of lizard DNA?

 

[The Infernal]

I hope it doesn't turn out that Peter's dad has experimented on him as a kid, because that's child abuse. I think that's just too much to add to Peter's origin, it doesn't belong in my opinion. Him experimenting on himself and unwittingly passing on some dormant trait to Peter is more palatable, but I'm not saying I'm too keen on that either.

 

[Micromind]

I hope it doesn't turn out that Peter's dad has experimented on him as a kid, because that's child abuse. I think that's just too much to add to Peter's origin, it doesn't belong in my opinion. Him experimenting on himself and unwittingly passing on some dormant trait to Peter is more palatable, but I'm not saying I'm too keen on that either.

He is experimenting on Spiders, genetically altering Spiders, i don't think that he is experimenting on his son, himself or Dr. Conners.

It may be shown later on in the movie that one of those genetically altered spider bites Peter Parker accidently.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

He is experimenting on Spiders, genetically altering Spiders, i don't think that he is experimenting on his son, himself or Dr. Conners.

It may be shown later on in the movie that one of those genetically altered spider bites Peter Parker accidently.

Bingo. Why isn't THAT the conclusion people jump to instead of this theory that Richard, who appears to love his son, experimented on him. I mean that's the most obvious one to me, that his dad worked with spiders the way Connors works with lizards, something happens, causes be and Mary to leave, and years later, Peter stumbles into oscorp and gets bitten by the science bug. You know, and I don't know how many of you have ever edited any audio, but it IS possible to connect two pieces of dialogue that aren't connected, which is why you should wait and see the movie before whipping out your Sherlock Holmes detective kits

 

[Micromind]

Hrm, guys?

Look at the trailer and stop as Peter's dad working on that chalkboard.....there's an area that say 'Araknid Genome'.

Arachnid are animals that have an exoskeleton, a segmented body, and 8 jointed legs that include the spiders and scorpions.

Genome is the entirety of an organism's hereditary information. It is encoded in DNA.

It is clear that peter parker's dad is working on Spider's DNA, so he could be developing a special type of genetically altered Spider.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Arachnid are animals that have an exoskeleton, a segmented body, and 8 jointed legs that include the spiders and scorpions.

Genome is the entirety of an organism's hereditary information. It is encoded in DNA.

It is clear that peter parker's dad is working on Spider's DNA, so he could be developing a special type of genetically altered Spider.

Again, how is it there are like a handful of people here thinking like that. I thought that was obvious

 

[The Infernal]

He is experimenting on Spiders, genetically altering Spiders, i don't think that he is experimenting on his son, himself or Dr. Conners.

It may be shown later on in the movie that one of those genetically altered spider bites Peter Parker accidently.

I don't subscribe to the idea myself, but I don't know enough about the film to definitively rule it out. I'm just voicing my problems with such a scenario.

Though personally I think the origin of Spider-man may be largely true to the comics. I don't think everything will be the same, but that it will largely be the same story arc (even if some of the details are changed in this iteration).

 

[Spiderdevil]

Someone made the coincidence point

Superhero films are loaded with coincidences,Do you think the audience will be interested in a villian who is totally unrelated to the Hero?

Just take the first trilogy for example,all the supervillians were somehow known to Peter parker

Goblin was his best friends father
Doc Ock was the guy he was working with to write a thesis
Goblin Junior was his best friend
Sand Man was the guy who killed his Uncle
Venom was his rival photographer

And all the time it was only his loved ones who got into trouble(Hostage situation)
Mary Jane in all the 3 situations and Aunt May in the 2nd movie,Also Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben.
I mean isnt it strange that the same girl from a city containing millions would be taked hostage thrice in a row,wont the people of the city smell a rat?Nobody though about that
That made Peter a lot selfish since he always had to deal with saving his loved ones alone or himself
Atleast this Movie has done an incredible job showing his selfness dealing with the 2 villians
He cant fight the Police,only escape from them(The modern Escape Artist)
He has to stop the Lizard because he is a threat to the city and not because he has to save his girlfriend or Aunt

 

[Spiderdevil]

Am I the only one liking the Costume??

It seems to be inspired from the Ben Reilly Costumes,which used to be my Favourite costume

 

[Oscorp]

I really like the suit as well! Fits perfectly in the film!

 

[Micromind]

Raimi's movies were the king of coincidences, alien symbiote falls in a park where Peter and Mary Jane are sitting.

I like the costume, as it gives him a mysterious, almost alien like appearance, something that will scare ordinary thugs .

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

I love it actually. Looks amazing in 3D

 

[Micromind]

I also like the choice of casting Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker, that was a genius decision.

Taking about coincidences, does anyone find it funny that director's name is Mark Webb ?

 

[The Infernal]

I also like the choice of casting Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker, that was a genius decision.

Taking about coincidences, does anyone find it funny that director's name is Mark Webb ?

Yeah, it's easy to spin a pun out of that.

 

[elsewhere]

Really my only complaint, is that I didn't expect there to be as much CGI as there was in the trailer. And questionable looking CGI at that. I thought the movie would use a lot more practical effects than what was shown.

 

[Oscorp]

I love how Marc Webb and his team makes the film look like true art (from what we've seen in the trailers) with the use of standout colours! Really shows how imaginative he is! I felt the same with (500) Days of Summer, that one felt like something very special artistically as well! I definitely think Webb is a director to count with in the future!