The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[socool]

they couldn't agree on a script
Batman begins had nothing to do with it considering it only made 372M while SM3 made 890M

They couldn't agree because Sony kept adding writers like it was nobody's business.

I meant The Dark Knight more than Batman Begins, too. It wouldn't make any sense for them to follow Batman Begins because like you said, it didn't do anything spectacular at the box office.

 

[roach]

I'm gonna get something off my chest. Raimi didn't like Venom, right?

no he liked more of the old school villains...Sony forced him to use Venom...and SM3 happened.
While it made a lot of money Raimi wasn't happy with the result...so when they tried to force things on him for SM4 he didn't want it and walked

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

But he did want the black suited Spidey, right?

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

It never occurred to me that Captain Stacy's death would result in Gwen "hating" Peter and until you mentioned the similarity between Peter and Harry, I hadn't even thought of it. IMO, that would actually be a very dumb reaction because Gwen knows Peter is Spider-man and she knows that her father's job carries the reality that he may die every day he goes to work. Their relationship, I think, would just be complicated, nothing within having to do with "I hate you now because you couldn't save my dad, or I hate you now because you caused my father's death". At least in this film, Gwen lives knowing that her father might not come home and she probably knows that Peter is Spider-man in order to save lives (Uncle Ben's death should also mean something to her as the reason to why Peter is Spider-man). Also, until we actually see the movie, we don't know whether it's Peter or Gwen who initiates "I can't see you anymore". Wouldn't it be interesting if it's Peter who says it, for various reasons?

I highly doubt Gwen would downright hate Peter or anything. She never dowright hated him in the comics I believe to the level that Harry did in the Raimi films.

But the fact that her father died when helping Peter would make it hard for her everyday. Her father freaking died and the guy he was with is right next to her. The emotional effect would be pretty intense. So I could see why she'd just want to get away from Peter because he was a constant reminder of her father's death.

In that sense, its not exactly like Harry at all. GG is a villain, Stacy is not. Harry hated Spidey to the point of wanting revenge by killing him. Gwen just wanted to get away from everything because of her tragic loss.

 

[AF3619]

But the fact that her father died when helping Peter would make it hard for her everyday. Her father freaking died and the guy he was with is right next to her. The emotional effect would be pretty intense. So I could see why she'd just want to get away from Peter because he was a constant reminder of her father's death.

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Maybe Peter breaks up with her because he is affraid the same that happens or maybe is going to happen (who knows?) to George happens to her and don´t want her to be arround so he can´t put her in danger

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

Maybe Peter breaks up with her because he is affraid the same that happens or maybe is going to happen (who knows?) to George happens to her and don´t want her to be arround so he can´t put her in danger

Yeah that could very well be the outcome too. Although there too is a bit of a similarity to Peter saying no to MJ at the end of SM1. Then again MJ never dated Peter before that or knew that Peter is Spidey.

 

[AF3619]

Yeah that could very well be the outcome too. Although there too is a bit of a similarity to Peter saying no to MJ at the end of SM1. Then again MJ never dated Peter before that or knew that Peter is Spidey.

That´s the thing Peter in TASM lost his parents, Uncle Ben and feels responsable (probably) Cpt Stacy death soo he doesn´t want to put her in Danger and more now that she knows his identity
t:

 

[Spider-Who?]

But he did want the black suited Spidey, right?

It's my understanding that he did not plan on using the black suit. It was a packaged deal when Venom was forced into the movie.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Oh. I always thought he wanted the black suit, but not Venom. To which I would say, it would have been a lose/lose situation. You put Venom in a half-assed way, and most fans will hate it. You don't put Venom in, missed opportunity, and most fans will hate it.

I hope Sony can maybe shut up for once, and let Webb do whatever he wants.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Really, the suit looks like something a teenager could make?!?! This suit looks about as possible to make as the suit in the Raimi trilogy was. The suit a teenager could actually make was the wrestling suit in the first movie.

The countless amounts of homemade replica suits on the web (and even on these forums) would beg to differ. Yes, the movie suits have (in most cases) a more professional quality for the sake of the film, but many of the fan made suits are astounding.

It's still wrong. I'm a teenager and I know for a fact that I wouldn't create that suit, even if I had the materials. The design is random, spastic, and in some areas, makes no sense. It's not something a teenager would create OR design. It's something a costume designer for a greedy movie company that wants to distinguish themselves from a highly profitable trilogy that they threw under the bus for more money and now need to create something new. THAT'S who created this suit.

So because YOU wouldn't design a suit like that totally negates any and all creativity every other teenager has? I'm not a huge supporter of this version of the suit, but even I consider this logic to be extremely flawed.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Geez, so I must be one of the few people on here who place blame for spidey 3 on both parties? Yeah the studio made stupid choices and you should never force something on a director but Sam and his brother wrote it so the creative choices with Venom and Peter and Spider-Man were their choices. Just a messed up situation and I also hope the studio has learned their lessons but we'll see...even Marvel studios, which a lot of people revere online, has mandates and rules for their directors, and not all of them are for the best, mostly just Iron Man 2.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sam didn't like the script because Sony kept throwing writers at the project who kept adding dumber and dumber things. (Vultress, Vulture taking over the Bugle, Spider-Man killing Vulture) Sam wanted to change the script, but Sony said no, so Sam walked.

I'm just curious, how do you know this?

 

[Spidey_62]

In the comics, when Captain Stacy died, Spidey was mistaken for letting him die and then the whole city was against him, partly thanks to crooked would-be mayor Sam Bullit. Gwen then hated Spidey and her and Peter's relationship was pretty rocky. When they finally work things out and are finally happy again together, guess what? She dies!

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

I might be reading it wrong, but it makes it sound like he was in SM1.

I meant the character of Uncle Ben as represented in SM1

 

[Anno_Domini]

I like that it would really put their relationship to the test, though.

This.

Spoiler

With Gwen knowing, it puts a difficult challenge into their relationship or whatever little they have in the sequel.

 

[Anno_Domini]

But he did want the black suited Spidey, right?

Sam Raimi didn't want Venom or the symbiote, period. That was pushed into the film while it was going to have Sandman, Vulture and Harry as "New Goblin" still with a final battle being Sandman/Vulture and Spidey/Harry. I'm sure Harry would've still died as well.

With Sandman, the retcon was still going to be there as Raimi created that from the start to keep that "revenge/vengeance" theme and then also the "forgiveness" theme. Also, Sam Raimi had another girl in the movie which was just changed into Gwen Stacy to add some so-called "storyline" to Eddie Brock being brought in.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Maybe Gwen Stacy will become a Police Captain in TASM2, and when Spidey is getting beaten by Goblin he'll need her help, but she won't help him. Then the morgue police doctor will tell her at the last minute, "Gwen, I was there the night your father died. The scars on his body were made by The Lizard, not by Spider-Man." Then Captain Gwen Stacy will help him defeat Green Goblin, but she will die in the process!

lmao

 

[jaymes_e06]

Maybe Gwen Stacy will become a Police Captain in TASM2, and when Spidey is getting beaten by Goblin he'll need her help, but she won't help him. Then the morgue police doctor will tell her at the last minute, "Gwen, I was there the night your father died. The scars on his body were made by The Lizard, not by Spider-Man." Then Captain Gwen Stacy will help him defeat Green Goblin, but she will die in the process!

And we have our next movie!

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Webb seems to be a fan of also the newer Spidey comics, do you guys think he wants to give Venom another go? There's so much potential in that story and it can be very character driven, which this new series is gonna be about, so I think it's safe to say they will redo Venom

If they do though, I would like if the series had 4 movies. Green Goblin is given, and Venom would be the second remade villain, only one fresh villain in a trilogy would be lame. So 4 movies would be cool. Only in that case though

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It's bad enough we have to re-do the Green Goblin. I'm hoping never used villains are explored.

Spidey has an impressive rogue gallery waiting to be brought to the big screen.

The rest of the Raimi villains need to get to the back of the line.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I don't know about you guys, but I still think that the sequel should go all out with both of the big guns, Green Goblin AND Doc Ock. They could take the 616 route with Green Goblin and ultimate route combined with a little of 616 on Doc Ock, that way they would fit together in a story

Doc Ock would work in Oscorp, but he would be secrectly a corporate spy working for Silvermane, the guy that orchestrates crime in New York, and in the accident Doc Ock would get caught being a spy, and then Norman has a personal vendetta against Doc Ock, which he would deliver as the Green Goblin and then he also tries to take Silvermane's place as the big man of crime. That would be the main story, and the frame work for the character driven level of story

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

That would be epic in scope but be prepared for a s**t-storm from haters complaining about re-using stuff we've seen before.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

That would be epic in scope but be prepared for a s**t-storm from haters complaining about re-using stuff we've seen before.

If this movie does well, I doubt there would be many complains about that. Combining two big shot villains in a movie is a very effective way to have a very different story from the previous incarnation and to show the different side of those characters while still maintaining the iconic characteristics. For example: Joker and Two-face. They brilliantly combined the story arcs of those guys, and neither felt like a remake, I didn't even think of the Jack Nicholson Joker when I saw the movie

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

I don't know about you guys, but I still think that the sequel should go all out with both of the big guns, Green Goblin AND Doc Ock. They could take the 616 route with Green Goblin and ultimate route combined with a little of 616 on Doc Ock, that way they would fit together in a story

Doc Ock would work in Oscorp, but he would be secrectly a corporate spy working for Silvermane, the guy that orchestrates crime in New York, and in the accident Doc Ock would get caught being a spy, and then Norman has a personal vendetta against Doc Ock, which he would deliver as the Green Goblin and then he also tries to take Silvermane's place as the big man of crime. That would be the main story, and the frame work for the character driven level of story

idk. As ambitious as it would be, there'd just be too much going on in the movie. All this AND we still have the main character that has his own journey too.

Two villains in the sequel would be just fine though, but not two big time primary villains. I'd rather have one primary villain and one secondary (like Chameleon). That way the story is more focused and much less muddled imo. Look at X-Men 3. In the process of having two major villains in Magneto and Phoenix, they couldn't even focus much on any character because so much was going on. SM3 coudn't do it either because it was 3 freakin villains and became the massive cluster**** we know it is.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Ya a primary big bad and one MAYBE two side villians would be more than enough