The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 3

[Dangerman]

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[Spider - Man]

I'm going to get the Ditko cover for ASM #700... it's going to cost a few bucks... but it'll be worth it... ;up:

Yeah, like $100-200! I'm gonna get 2! But I have to do it at seperate stores cuz with them only getting 1 in 200, it'll probably mean just one per. Secretly wished that if the series ever ended they'd somehow wrangle Ditko out of retirement and pay him enough to do one more story with Stan. That would be 'Led-Zeppelin-reunion-with-ghost-of-Bonham-on-drums' big!

 

[roach]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/11/dan-slott-talks-superior-spider-man-at-nycc/

 

[Shockdingo]

Oh...well then....

 

[JustinJ]

I pretty much lurk here, but I have to chime in on this. I've taken everything with a grain of salt that Marvel has done with their characters and storylines. I also know it is likely Pete will be back in time for ASM 2..... but seriously F*** Marvel. How about trying to make good storylines that respect continuity and characterization and stop with all the friggin gimmicks. 616 Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Nuff said.

 

[OcStat]

So how does one even get all the variants for a landmark issue such as 700? Considering i have an Amazing Spider-Man subscription and my local comic shop is about the size of a closet and has maybe 2 other regulars.

I've never cared enough to seek out all the variants of a particular issue. Do they really cost that much upon release despite the cover price? Am I going to have to browse the web and eBay like a hawk?

 

[Spider-Jay420]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/11/dan-slott-talks-superior-spider-man-at-nycc/

Wait...what? MJ is getting "back together" with A Spider-Man that she's never been with before, and this New Spider-Man is NOT peter Parker, and he's gonna have The Other retractable claws...and this is the Superior Spider-Man?!

**** that ****. I hope, best case scenario, this new Superior web head is merely a mini series or some other lame crap. Maybe Marvel didn't get the hint when Ben Reilly was in town, but um, if you're gonna tell us Spider-Man stories, you better be talking about MR. Parker. This ain't gonna fly, man. Wtf? Sure, I'll read the first issue, but don't want a 616 Spider-Man that ain't Peter Parker. If I did, id read Ultimate. And I don't. And this is a reader since '89. If Pete ain't back in the webs in like, 3 or 4 issues, then I'm out. This is complete ********. This is a huge **** YOU to the fans. Thanks Marvel. Thanks a lot. You guys sure appreciate your loyal fans dontcha?

 

[runawayboulder]

I've said this in the Superior Spider-Man thread in the Spidey forums and I'll say it here....

To say that Spider-Man and MJ are together again, it can have different meanings in context, not necessarily a romantic one.

If Alpha becomes Spider-Man because Peter becomes incapacitated in some way, perhaps MJ becomes Alpha's mentor as she was Pete's moral compass for years throughout their marriage. She was pretty much the only one that knew Peter had major reservations about Alpha being a hero to begin with as indicated with their little conversation at the end of part 2 of the arc.

Whatever goes down after ASM 700, she might show up at Andy's door with Pete's costume in hand and say "You're up kid, the world needs a Spider-Man. We're not doing it your way, we're not doing it my way, we're doing this Pete's way". Who else would know better about how Peter Parker operated in costume other than Mary Jane Watson?

Man o man the sky is falling attitude on the internet sometimes I swear.....

 

[Themanofbat]

So how does one even get all the variants for a landmark issue such as 700? Considering i have an Amazing Spider-Man subscription and my local comic shop is about the size of a closet and has maybe 2 other regulars.

I've never cared enough to seek out all the variants of a particular issue. Do they really cost that much upon release despite the cover price? Am I going to have to browse the web and eBay like a hawk?

To get the Martin variant, or the Ramos variant, or the collage variant, your store will have to order at least 50 copies to get one... in order to get the Ditko variant, your store has to order 200 copies.

My store sells about 100 copies of ASM, so they will have to order an additional 100 copies to get my Ditko variant.

ASM #700 is an 8 dollar book, but the LCS' typically pay about half price.
So my store will have to shell out an additional $400 to get the Ditko variant. But by ordering 200 copies, they'll also get the other 3 that I want...

So I can see myself shelling out $200 for the Ditko, and $50 for the other 3 to make up for the extra dollars they have to shell out in order to get those copies... which makes sense, because 1:20 variants usually sell for 20 bucks, 1:50 variants sell for 50 bucks, and so on and so forth...

Though I'm hoping my shop will give me a bit of a deal because I've been a pretty loyal customer...

... but it's hard when we have 4 comic shops within 30 minutes of one another... and we're only about 150 000 in population... I'm sure all 4 shops sell a fair amount of ASM's... but it makes the prices more expensive when you divide the total quantity amongst 4 shops...

 

[Shockdingo]

Man o man the sky is falling attitude on the internet sometimes I swear.....

Well to be fair, while it's good to wait things out, can you really blame people for getting worried at the details released so far? Spidey of all people is not immune to wacky messes with writing (and poor Scott Summers sure as hell aint at this point) and this isn't mountains out of molehills stuff.

I like Dan's work, I really do, but I can't say that this doesn't worry me a bit. Sure, the pay off may be interesting, I've been enjoying his run for a long while when I thought due to things in the past I'd never enjoy Spidey again, but for it to all drastically change now, may just jettison a bunch of readers.

Already they're throwing out the "this ain't yer daddy's Spidey" buzz words, grim, dark, new powers, more attitude and new Spidey. It could very well be interesting, but it could also be a bit too different for me. I'm not afraid of something new, I'm loving what Kaine is doing, but I still have Amazing when I wanna catch up on ol' Pete.

I'm not saying it's the end of the world here, but having people be worried isn't as ridiculous as people threatening to drop the book over one of Pete's recent BRIEF costume changes. I guess I'll wait and see..

That's my 0.02

 

[stillanerd]

Okay, after reading that Bleeding Cool article, there's one of three possibilities:

a) either Dan Slott was speaking metaphorically, in that Peter is still Spider-Man, only, because of whatever has happened in Amazing Spider-Man #700, he's not the same as he was before, therefore it's a different Spider-Man because Peter himself has changed.

b) That Peter is no longer Spider-Man, but he and MJ do get back together, meaning that when the article states "Spider-Man will get back together with Mary Jane Watson. But it will not be Peter Parker Spider-Man," it was just badly misreported or misinterpreted. Or

c) Exactly what it says, that MJ will be in a relationship with a Spider-Man who is NOT Peter Parker. Which, given how Slott has been ship-teasing Peter and MJ getting back together throughout his run and that MJ is still in love with Peter, makes no sense whatsoever. Unless she only THINKS she's dating Peter and that he's still Spider-Man. Which, if that is the case, would give credence to the theory that has been gaining steam around the net--that Doc Ock will cheat death by taking over Peter's body. And if that's the case, if people thought Michele Gonzales unknowingly making out with the Chameleon was bad, then GOOD GRIEF! MJ thinking she's back with Peter but not realizing it's really Doc Ock would have far, FAR worse implications. In either case...UGH!

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Hahahahahahahahaha.

No.

Is all I have to say to Dan Slott right about now.

Look dude you're a great writer and you pretty much had a kick ass run on Spider-Man, but you just killed it dead.

 

[runawayboulder]

Real rational since the issue is 3 months from coming out....

 

[Spider-Gnome]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/11/dan-slott-talks-superior-spider-man-at-nycc/

Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...

MJ said she could not be with Peter because HE WAS SPIDER-MAN, now she's with some guy who happens TO BE SPIDER-MAN????

So, is it confirmed...is the internet broken in half?


OK, could it be possible Kaine aka Scarlet Spider aka Pete clone be the Superior Spider-Man, gaining certain Other powers?

 

[Spider-Gnome]

OK, how about this?

Doc Ock's dying wish is to trade places with Spider-Man, testing just how selfless Spidey is. Ock tries to redeem himself, being Spider-Man in his own brutal way. Pete meanwhile has his own agenda in the afterlife, basically confronting Mephisto, which leads to....

Maybe...

 

[stillanerd]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...

MJ said she could not be with Peter because HE WAS SPIDER-MAN, now she's with some guy who happens TO BE SPIDER-MAN????

So, is it confirmed...is the internet broken in half?

Exactly. Which kind of makes me still think that the Bleeding Cool article really meant that while the Superior Spider-Man is not Peter Parker, it will be PETER, not the new Spider-Man, who will get back together with Mary Jane. Which, while not great, would make far more sense and is a much better alternative.

 

[runawayboulder]

OK, how about this?

Doc Ock's dying wish is to trade places with Spider-Man, testing just how selfless Spidey is. Ock tries to redeem himself, being Spider-Man in his own brutal way. Pete meanwhile has his own agenda in the afterlife, basically confronting Mephisto, which leads to....

Maybe...

That's along the lines of what I was thinking at one point. If Pete's mind is stuck in Ock's body and ends up going to hell by mistake like Ock should have, it could be a loophole needed to get the big red guy to undo what he did.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Exactly. Which kind of makes me still think that the Bleeding Cool article really meant that while the Superior Spider-Man is not Peter Parker, it will be PETER, not the new Spider-Man, who will get back together with Mary Jane. Which, while not great, would make far more sense and is a much better alternative.

No, I think they mean MJ with Spider-Man (whoever it is now) not Pete.

So, it's either like runawayboulder suggested in a non-romantic role, or it's like a body switch with Doc Ock as you suggested and MJ doesn't know it's Ock inside Pete's body (yeeck), or someone like Kaine or a new clone from the Jackal (who has recently returned) and MJ thinks it's Pete.

 

[stillanerd]

No, I think they mean MJ with Spider-Man (whoever it is now) not Pete.

So, it's either like runawayboulder suggested in a non-romantic role, or it's like a body switch with Doc Ock as you suggested and MJ doesn't know it's Ock inside Pete's body (yeeck), or someone like Kaine or a new clone from the Jackal (who has recently returned) and MJ thinks it's Pete.

Yep. Because Newsarama has just confirmed Bleeding Cool's story:

Writer Dan Slott teased a few more Superior Spider-Man details during a retailer breakfast held at the start of New York Comic Con. Marvel Comics has confirmed that Slott told retailers in attendance that the Spider-Man starring in the January-debuting series is indeed a character other than Peter Parker, and that Spider-Man and Mary Jane would be getting back together — which would mean that Peter and MJ will not be.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/mycc2012-news-feed.html

Which, yeah, the only way that would work in light of what Slott is developing in his own comic is if MJ still thinks Peter is Spider-Man and does it know it. So this is looking more and more like either:

a. the new Superior Spider-Man is ANOTHER clone of Peter Parker, or
b. Doc Ock's mind is now in Peter Parker's body. Or
c. A combination of a and b.

 

[moraldeficiency]

So basically OMD part 2, the crappening...

 

[Spider - Man]

To get the Martin variant, or the Ramos variant, or the collage variant, your store will have to order at least 50 copies to get one... in order to get the Ditko variant, your store has to order 200 copies.

My store sells about 100 copies of ASM, so they will have to order an additional 100 copies to get my Ditko variant.

ASM #700 is an 8 dollar book, but the LCS' typically pay about half price.
So my store will have to shell out an additional $400 to get the Ditko variant. But by ordering 200 copies, they'll also get the other 3 that I want...

So I can see myself shelling out $200 for the Ditko, and $50 for the other 3 to make up for the extra dollars they have to shell out in order to get those copies... which makes sense, because 1:20 variants usually sell for 20 bucks, 1:50 variants sell for 50 bucks, and so on and so forth...

Though I'm hoping my shop will give me a bit of a deal because I've been a pretty loyal customer...

... but it's hard when we have 4 comic shops within 30 minutes of one another... and we're only about 150 000 in population... I'm sure all 4 shops sell a fair amount of ASM's... but it makes the prices more expensive when you divide the total quantity amongst 4 shops...

I'm getting the ones you mentioned - Ramos wrap-around, Martin's with all the creator names, collage and Ditko. I think the Ditko one is the unused one for Amazing Fantasy 15 that wasn't used. Still be cool to actually have a comic with that cover. I couldn't care less about the Quesada cover or the others.

*edit: just found out the Quesada one is 1 in 700 - what an ego on that fat bastard! Ditko is 1 in 200 and q's is 1 in 700! Unbelievable!

 

[Spider - Man]

No, I think they mean MJ with Spider-Man (whoever it is now) not Pete.

So, it's either like runawayboulder suggested in a non-romantic role, or it's like a body switch with Doc Ock as you suggested and MJ doesn't know it's Ock inside Pete's body (yeeck), or someone like Kaine or a new clone from the Jackal (who has recently returned) and MJ thinks it's Pete.

My thought was that maybe Flash or Harry step into the role seeing as MJ used to date both. Maybe one of them becomes Spidey and he and MJ get back together.

 

[stillanerd]

My thought was that maybe Flash or Harry step into the role seeing as MJ used to date both. Maybe one of them becomes Spidey and he and MJ get back together.

It wouldn't be Flash because he's still going to be Venom, as he's not only going to be still having his ongoing series but is also in Thunderbolts. And also, MJ knowingly dating a Spider-Man who isn't Peter goes against what Slott himself has been developing in Amazing Spider-Man, that it's MJ and PETER whose feelings for one another are being rekindled. So it makes more sense if MJ still thinks that Peter is the Superior Spider-Man when it's in fact really someone else.

 

[Spider - Man]

It wouldn't be Flash because he's still going to be Venom, as he's not only going to be still having his ongoing series but is also in Thunderbolts. And also, MJ knowingly date a Spider-Man who isn't Peter goes against what Slott himself has been developing in Amazing Spider-Man, that it's MJ and PETER whose feelings for one another are being rekindled. So it makes more sense if MJ still thinks that Peter is the Superior Spider-Man when it's in fact really someone else.

Could be right.

 

[runawayboulder]

Ock being in Peter's body and dating MJ raises the ick factor to 10, let's not forget he was pegging Aunt May for a while. It would make for an interesting story though...