The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spiderman 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 1

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sometimes i wonder how much of meddling the suits put in over these movies. i just get the vibe like there is a concerted effort to partially recreate some of the brush strokes of the raimi trilogy. Like the whole rallying new yorker thing. then the suit went back to essentially the raimi version.

i cant help but imagine some exectutive with a boiled down "formula" of what made the raimi movies profitable and going through his checklist. we need more cheese! they liked campiness!
 
Well at least it's not comparable to Batman & Robin. That really had me worried.

Oh no. Breath easy man. I have some gripes (some big, some small) and some post may seem a bit doom and gloom, but it's not like that. lol
 
Very interesting. How was the action in this film? Also was the movie really a mess? Was there too much going on like Spider-Man 3?

It's amazing, it really is. The swinging has been stepped up, everything has. And nah, not really. It seems well-thought out, it's not a case of "LET'S DUMP EVERYONE HERE FOR THIS"... it's very much x, y and z. Not a mess to answer your question. :)
 
I'm just home from seeing it. I went into this movie with a huge open mind wanting to love it with all my heart. First of all I start with the positives:

- Andrew Garfield was much more likable in this as Peter. It was great to see him actually feel guilt at breaking the promise to Captain Stacy. It irked me at the end of TASM 1 how he smiled and quipped that breaking that promise is the most fun to break. Here we got to see Peter conflicted over that. His chemistry with Emma Stone was impeccable. His Spider-Man had better humor in this one, although some of the one liners were really cheesy and unfunny, but overall they worked mostly. Spider-Man himself had a great hero vibe. There's a really heart warming scene with a nerdy Science kid he saves from some bullies.

- Emma Stone. She is Gwen Stacy. I cannot fault anything about Emma. Not a single thing. She was a joy to watch in every scene and provided a huge emotional anchor for the movie. Perfection. Best Spidey love interest of the movies by far.

- The action. Webb stepped up his game in the action department. When the action gets going it looks fantastic. Some beautiful visuals.

- The Spidey costume was GORGEOUS. What a huge step up from the previous movie's one. Spidey was a visual delight in that new suit.

- Sally Field as Aunt May. Although she is used very sparingly, she's solid in all of her scenes. Her and Peter have one wonderful scene in particular in Peter's room. I'll say no more on that one but it's a great scene.

- [BLACKOUT]Gwen's death scene. Masterfully done. Heart wrenching.[/BLACKOUT]

- The resolution of Peter's parents. Glad to see that one wrapped up, and done well.

- [BLACKOUT]Gustav Fiers. Anyone who reads the Sinister Six novels knows who I'm talking about.[/BLACKOUT]


The negatives:

- Electro. A weak villain through and through. Max Dillon is a cheesy caricature of a character. He talks to himself in the most cheesy fashion. The scene in his apartment is painful to watch. He's singing Happy Birthday to himself just before he has his Electro accident. Awful. When he becomes Electro he is barely used, and his motivation is pathetic and too paper thin. He is not menacing. He is not bad ass. He just comes off as an attention seeking loser trying to show off his electric powers and [blackout]ultimately becomes Harry's lackey[/blackout].

- The Harry and Peter friendship. Too brief to make me care. They share two scenes together before Harry goes psycho. Not nearly enough to make you feel the emotional punch you should feel when best friends become enemies.

- The Goblin. Almost as much screen time as Rhino. [BLACKOUT]He literally comes in, rants at Spidey for a minute before he grabs Gwen. Spidey and Goblin fight for like a minute before Harry is defeated. The only positive is he lives and is being set up for the Sinister Six spin off.[/BLACKOUT] DeHaan gives a good performance as dark Harry, but there's more to Harry than just being dark and intense. Webb's Harry is very limited. The only time we get a glimpse of Harry's nice side is in the one scene with Peter where they go for a stroll and have a chat. As the Goblin he was not scary, he was not creepy. He was over acted by DeHaan. Again the Goblin is barely in it, guys. I'm talking like 5 minutes screen time. All one scene.

- Not enough fight scenes. We have three villains in this. And we get two fight scenes. Both in the finale. One with Electro and one with Goblin. The Electro one was really well done, and I loved it. Goblin's was too brief. Those of you expecting a fight scene in the Times Square scene with Electro will be bitterly disappointed. It's [BLACKOUT]literally a scene where Electro charges up, Spidey tries to talk him down, Electro flips out and starts zapping stuff, and Spidey takes him down with a fire hose.[/BLACKOUT] The worst part of this scene is they play some kind of RAP SONG. I am not kidding. I thought I was hearing things. It was a rap like song with lyrics about hating Spider-Man. Bloody awful!

- Rhino. I don't know if it was intentional but Aleksi was the most OTT character ever to appear in a Spidey movie. Paul Giamatti is walking ham in this. If his role was bigger I'd say he deserved a Razzie. It was so corny. His dialogue is woeful. When he appears in his Rhino suit we don't get to see him do anything cool with it [blackout]besides shoot at the Cops, before Spidey shows up. Rhino charges at Spidey the movie ends[/blackout].

- Dr. Kafka. Think of the most cliche OTT German doctor. That's Dr. Kafka in this.

The villains all fall short big time. They are under developed, short changed screen time wise, and in Electro and Rhino's case they are both too cheesy for my tastes. Webb's weakest element in these movies is how he handles the villains. Lizard, Goblin, Electro, Rhino....none of them come up to scratch. Like I said the only possible saving grace is some of them may appear again in the Sinister Six spin off. But what we've had so far has not impressed me. All of them are played by competent great actors. It's the material and direction that lets them down, not the talent. They're not lacking in that.

Overall I give the movie a 6/10, and that's mainly for Peter and Gwen, which is essentially what the movie is about. Everything else is under developed sub plots that get little look in. Because Andrew and Emma were so good in this, and basically the movie is about their relationship predominantly, that saves the movie. I really get what all those reviews were saying when they said that. They are the saving grace of the movie.

Nice pros + cons Joker!

I'm still hyped for the movie despite some of the flaws many are pointing out!
 
Harry asks for 6, meaning he's not part of it? Rhino, Electro, Doc Ock, Vulture... No hints to the remaining 2 members?
 
alot of the criticisms given are basically what someone thinks should have been rather then what we got, but i ain't sure whether thats fair criticism but each to their own

the cliche doctor who i couldn't help but think of doc ock from the 90s cartoon, but anyway i didn't mind him i don't see what made him a big deal
 
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Oh no. Breath easy man. I have some gripes (some big, some small) and some post may seem a bit doom and gloom, but it's not like that. lol

That makes me feel better. Would you say it compares to Spider-Man 3?

It's amazing, it really is. The swinging has been stepped up, everything has. And nah, not really. It seems well-thought out, it's not a case of "LET'S DUMP EVERYONE HERE FOR THIS"... it's very much x, y and z. Not a mess to answer your question. :)

Thank you. :)

Is the editing bad in the film?
 
Nice review. Sad you didn't like it but nice review anyway. Makes me nervous for tomorrow :|

I didn't dislike it, but I didn't love it. It's more wasted potential than a bad movie. But in no way is this even close to Batman and Robin level bad. Nearly everything in the movie would have to be bad for it to be on that level, and TASM 2 has quite a few positives going for it.

Good review. Made me sad but you backed up your opinions very well.

Did you like it more than TASM1?

Thanks Joker! Everything I've been reading has me to believe we'll probably be seeing eye to eye on this one. How does it compare to Amazing 1?

There's things Amazing 1 does better, and there's things Amazing 2 does better. Overall I'd give Amazing 2 the edge because it trumps Amazing 1 on more things like Peter's characterization, the action, the Spidey suit, and a stronger emotional story.

Great review Joker! Really enjoyed reading it. My concerns for this movie are exactly what you pointed out. On the flip side, the things I'm excited to see in this movie are in your positives as well. Thanks! Well written and fair. :D

You're welcome. Just go in with an open mind and judge it for what it is and not what you expect it to be. Expectations can make a movie a let down for you.

Great review, Joker! I'll see the film tomorrow, I hope I'll like it more.

Thank you. I hope you do, too.

Nice review, Joker :up:

Is it more or less what you were expecting?

More or less yes. Though some things surprised me at being better than I thought they would be like Peter's characterization, the action, and the Spidey humor. I was expecting more of the same from TASM. I was happy to be proven wrong.

Nice review. I have a feeling that I will have the same opinion towards this movie overall. I will probably enjoy this movie a lot more than the first TASM if Peter does end up being more likable. His attitude in the first TASM is what really killed the movie for me, personally. I'm willing to forgive a lot of things as long as I'm rooting for the hero this time!

One thing you'll be doing is rooting for Peter. He is much more likable in this. His scenes with Gwen are just terrific. You want them to be together and get a happy ever after which is why [BLACKOUT]Gwen's death is so hard hitting and brilliant.[/BLACKOUT]
 
So basically that CBM user's review comparing it to Batman and Robin is a load of butt? :whatever:
 
There's things Amazing 1 does better, and there's things Amazing 2 does better. Overall I'd give Amazing 2 the edge because it trumps Amazing 1 on more things like Peter's characterization, the action, the Spidey suit, and a stronger emotional story.

Well so it seems like it's at least an improvement of some kind.
 
wow i notice negative reviews seem to get more peoples attention then the good ones on here lol, a good one... nothing, a bad one... oh now i am worried :P

My advice. Log off when a movie is due out soon. Bookmark anything in particular you fancy coming back to and reading after the movie comes out and try seeing the movie without having coloured you own opinion with what other people have said.
 
Ok so got back from seing this. Umm i don't know what to think right now so i will try to highlight the positives and the negatives.

Positives
- Peter and Gwen's chemistry is just fantastic . Easily the best portrayal of a couple in a CBM or any couple from a film, you can just feel the emotions between the two.
- Andrew is my definative Spiderman/ Peter Parker, Great performance from the brit.
- Action stepped up from ASM, Some great imagey also.
- The spidey costume was perfection.
- Gwen's death was heartwrenching, my heart was beating like a D&B track
- Dane Dehaan Was my highlight of the movie, he was great as Harry and G.G.

Negatives
- the score was a joke problay one of the worst ive heard from Zimmer, the choice of music for some scenes smh.
- Marc Webb cant explore his villians, development of these lot was nowhere what i had imagined. Electro was weak,Rhino was just wtf and even though G.G wins by a mile(best villian) , his stint was too quick.
- The subplots in this movie were all over the place, maybe i will digest it better on my 2nd showing.
- CGI was subpar at times
- Editing (sound) and pacing was average at best.

Overall the film was underwhelming. Don't get me wrong it was a solid film, it just didn't deliver on a level i thought it would . So i give it a 7 and that was mainly down to the perfromances of Garfield,Stone,Dehaan and Sally Field.

Funnily enough i watched ASM before i went, i think ASM2 is on par in some ways and others slightly better.
 
Saw the film today, 8/10 overall. It could go down to 7/10 or up to 9/10 upon my second viewing.

I don't have a lot of criticisms as of right now... but one thing I couldn't help but wonder is, Harry works out that Spider-Man is Peter like riiiight at the end when he becomes Goblin. Wouldn't it have been better to have Harry stumble upon footage of Peter in the spider room from the first film? Oscorp has so much stuff under surveillance, but not that one damn room? Especially considering how important Richard's cross-species work is to them...

I don't know what else I can say against the film, it felt like the perfect Spider-Man film. It played out like a comic book, the humor and more serious moments were balanced out pretty well.

A spoiler list:

- Norman's illness IS named... but I forgot what it's called, haha. "Viral" something. It's hereditary. Norman looks VERY Goblin-y when you see him on his death bed. He has green clawed hands. Like proper thick-ass, long, icky-looking nails

- Richard's work is indeed coded to his own DNA

- Peter doesn't want to give his blood to Harry because he's scared Harry will react to it like Connors did

- No scene with Norman's head, no symbiote either. The supposed after credits scene is now at the end, as part of the film. Man in the Shadows is referred to as "Mr Fiers". He asks Harry (who is at Ravencroft by the end) about how many people he wants, Harry says he wants to keep it small and says "Six". Mr Fiers is talking about the first candidate, Aleksei... cue Rhino suit in the background in the chamber... leading up to a very short Rhino vs Spider-Man sequence. It's pretty much what you've seen in the trailers

- Gwen does die, Goblin doesn't snap her neck. She falls off of a gear, Spider-Man dives after her, slow-mo moment, he shoots a web, it catches her waist and the sudden jolt as she stops falling due to being caught by the web causes her to hit her head on the ground

- The Sinister Six are teased in the animated credits (think Iron Man's credits where you see the tech and War Machine)... I swear I saw a closeup of a theatre mask or something... Chameleon? The others I saw for definite were Ock's tentacles, Vulture's wings, Goblin's glider, Rhino

- There's a bit where the main credits "glitch"... and a clip from DoFP plays, it was posted up there. It was... weird

Anything anybody wants to ask me?

Good review mate seems you enjoyed it. regarding the bold however.

I got from that moment that Harry deduced Spidey's identity from other person's present. after all given what he knew of that relationship he's be pretty dumb not to put two and two together.

be interested to know whether or not you got the impression that
Norman isn't dead
 
I saw the film today in IMAX 3D and I probably would give it 3/5 or 3.5/5. It was better and more enjoyable than the first Amazing Spider-Man. I really liked the Peter and Gwen relationship, Dane Dahaan's performance, the 3D was great, CGI for the most part was better than the first film, the action was stepped up from the last film with some of the Electro scenes near the end and the cinematography was more colourful than the first film and looked more like a Spidey comic which I liked, Spidey's costume was perfect and I did like the mystery of Peter's parents resolved.

But this film does have quite a few flaws, first of all some people who saw rough cuts said a lot of things have been reshot, replaced or deleted from the film and I noticed some things that are in the trailer aren't in the final film. I think Marc Webb simply shot too much and didn't know what to do with it. Thank god he deleted the Shailene Woodley MJ scenes because this film was overcrowded enough.

The film just sometimes jumps from subplot to subplot and didn't have much focus and sure, we know in the long run where the franchise is going (Sinister Six), but I was actually thinking half way through, what is THIS particular film about, what is the theme.

I think it just had too many subplots:
- Peter/Gwen and their on/off struggling relationship with Peter seeing visions of Captain Stacey and Gwen moving to Oxford in England etc
- Harry moving back and his relationship with Norman and friendship with Peter and the fact he needs Spidey's blood to stop his 'family curse' and his (slightly rushed) transformation into Goblin.
- Max Dillon's subplot with him being obsessed with Spidey and his transformation into Electro.
- Rhino
- Peter's relationship with Aunt May and her becoming a nurse which didn't really go anywhere.
- The whole subplot and mystery with Peter's parents.
- PLUS, all the setting up for future films such as Sinister Six (Doc Ock's tentacles, Vulture's Wings), Felicia Hardy, Peter's Daily Bugle job etc

As I just listed, there is simply too much going on and like I mentioned above IMAGINE how packed it would have been if Marc Webb left the Mary Jane scenes in...

Another thing is the tone, one minute it is a romcom, one minute a sort of darker, grounded approach, then one minute sort of camp, cheesy and slightly OTT with Han Zimmer's Max Dillon sort of goofy John Williams Lex Luther-esque theme from the original Superman, that stereotypical mad german scientist, Paul Giamatii's really OTT performance, some of Spidey's quips etc

But I did overall like this film, it does have some good redeemable qualities, but to me, it's not as good as Cap 2 or Raimi's Spider-Man 2 etc. I will say that Marc Webb is moving in the right direction though, but he hasn't quite hit a home run yet with this new rebooted Spidey franchise. I just think with this particular film, he tried to please too many people and threw all his eggs in one basket, so for Spidey 3, I hope the story is more streamlined and focused.
 
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That makes me feel better. Would you say it compares to Spider-Man 3?

Not so much. I feel Spider-man 3 suffered more for being overcrowded and overhammy to be fair. TASM2 manages to pull through for the most part.
 
Not so much. I feel Spider-man 3 suffered more for being overcrowded and overhammy to be fair. TASM2 manages to pull through for the most part.

Ah okay. Just curious but how would you rate/rank each Spider-Man film?

As of now, this is how I feel:

  1. Spider-Man 2: 9/10
  2. The Amazing Spider-Man: 7.5/10
  3. Spider-Man: 7/10
  4. Spider-Man 3: 5/10
 
Nice review, Joker. On the whole, I am feeling a bit disappointed. It goes to show that what the critics are saying may be justified. Let's wait and see. I'll still like it, but, based on what I have heard, not as much as I thought I would.

However, the lack of action is also a complaint which could be given to SM2. The movie had two major action sequences and a 1 minute final battle just like TASM 2 does.

On the whole, I actually don't know what to expect. One thing is for sure: we should neither expect one of the best cbms ever made nor even the best Spidey film.
 
@The Joker

I thought you liked the first, I remember you giving it like 7-7.5 and saying it was better than SM1 lol.
 
1. Spider-man 2
2. Spider-man 1
3. TASM2
4. Spider-man 3
5. TASM1
 
Nice review, Joker. On the whole, I am feeling a bit disappointed. It goes to show that what the critics are saying may be justified. Let's wait and see. I'll still like it, but, based on what I have heard, not as much as I thought I would.

Just judge it for yourself and not what others say, just like you should with any movie.

However, the lack of action is also a complaint which could be given to SM2. The movie had two major action sequences and a 1 minute final battle just like TASM 2 does.

The difference is SM-2 had one villain, and the three fight scenes were more spaced out. TASM 2 has three villains and two fight scenes, both in the finale.

On the whole, I actually don't know what to expect. One thing is for sure: we should neither expect one of the best cbms ever made nor even the best Spidey film.

You may feel it's both. It's all opinion. Like I said judge it for yourself.

@The Joker

I thought you liked the first, I remember you giving it like 7-7.5 and saying it was better than SM1 lol.

I do like the first one. Though it's rating dropped for me on subsequent viewings as I noticed more flaws, and it didn't hold up for me as much as it did on first viewing.
 
Even though its all opinionated why is it the bad Opinions stand out more justifiable, weird
 
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