The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spiderman 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 1

[Picard Sisko]

I'm hoping this will be the best Spider-Man movie! I'm meh on some trailers but I loved the SDCC!

I'll be seeing the film Thursday afternoon.

What time EST?

 

[Nemeres]

I see. Thanks for the reply!

 

[Hammer!]

Infernal, Dafoe Goblin or Dehaan Goblin?

 

[Green Goblin]

What time EST?

Well it's 1:45 UK time. I have no idea about other timezones lol.

I'll say my rating soon after with a review in the evening!

 

[Tel]

Infernal, Dafoe Goblin or Dehaan Goblin?

That's a bit unfair, as Dafoe had an entire movie to develop his character and was playing Norman. However DeHaan, is by far a better Goblin than Franco

 

[The Infernal]

I see. Thanks for the reply!

No probs. Also, I edited "would" to "wouldn't" when referring to whether I'd say it was "dead in the water". Important difference lol.

Infernal, Dafoe Goblin or Dehaan Goblin?

Dafoe hands down. It's a hard comparison in some ways as it's really Norman vs Harry from two separate iterations. Though some may feel Dafoe was too hammy, I felt he had a good handle on it and I know 'broad acting' is a viable choice with some material. His performance doesn't overdo it for me and fits much better with Raimi's world overall. I still like Dehaan as Harry, but didn't quite get into his Goblin. Though his Goblin is only on screen for a matter of minutes to be fair.

Foxx & Giamatti I feel had more a handle on their sense of hammy/broad acting, with Foxx beating out Giamatti imo. Giamatti seemed to be enjoying just having fun in a similar sense I got from Ben Kingsley as 'Trevor', whereas Foxx actually managed to seem like he was fighting and winning against some real clunky lines imo.

Though if you're talking looks then Dehann looks better. That being said I think the promo material makes the armour and glider look better than it did in the film strangely enough (keep in mind it is an unfinished prototype).

 

[The Joker]

I'm just home from seeing it. I went into this movie with a huge open mind wanting to love it with all my heart. First of all I start with the positives:

- Andrew Garfield was much more likable in this as Peter. It was great to see him actually feel guilt at breaking the promise to Captain Stacy. It irked me at the end of TASM 1 how he smiled and quipped that breaking that promise is the most fun to break. Here we got to see Peter conflicted over that. His chemistry with Emma Stone was impeccable. His Spider-Man had better humor in this one, although some of the one liners were really cheesy and unfunny, but overall they worked mostly. Spider-Man himself had a great hero vibe. There's a really heart warming scene with a nerdy Science kid he saves from some bullies.

- Emma Stone. She is Gwen Stacy. I cannot fault anything about Emma. Not a single thing. She was a joy to watch in every scene and provided a huge emotional anchor for the movie. Perfection. Best Spidey love interest of the movies by far.

- The action. Webb stepped up his game in the action department. When the action gets going it looks fantastic. Some beautiful visuals.

- The Spidey costume was GORGEOUS. What a huge step up from the previous movie's one. Spidey was a visual delight in that new suit.

- Sally Field as Aunt May. Although she is used very sparingly, she's solid in all of her scenes. Her and Peter have one wonderful scene in particular in Peter's room. I'll say no more on that one but it's a great scene.

- [BLACKOUT]Gwen's death scene. Masterfully done. Heart wrenching.[/BLACKOUT]

- The resolution of Peter's parents. Glad to see that one wrapped up, and done well.

- [BLACKOUT]Gustav Fiers. Anyone who reads the Sinister Six novels knows who I'm talking about.[/BLACKOUT]


The negatives:

- Electro. A weak villain through and through. Max Dillon is a cheesy caricature of a character. He talks to himself in the most cheesy fashion. The scene in his apartment is painful to watch. He's singing Happy Birthday to himself just before he has his Electro accident. Awful. When he becomes Electro he is barely used, and his motivation is pathetic and too paper thin. He is not menacing. He is not bad ass. He just comes off as an attention seeking loser trying to show off his electric powers and [blackout]ultimately becomes Harry's lackey[/blackout].

- The Harry and Peter friendship. Too brief to make me care. They share two scenes together before Harry goes psycho. Not nearly enough to make you feel the emotional punch you should feel when best friends become enemies.

- The Goblin. Almost as much screen time as Rhino. [BLACKOUT]He literally comes in, rants at Spidey for a minute before he grabs Gwen. Spidey and Goblin fight for like a minute before Harry is defeated. The only positive is he lives and is being set up for the Sinister Six spin off.[/BLACKOUT] DeHaan gives a good performance as dark Harry, but there's more to Harry than just being dark and intense. Webb's Harry is very limited. The only time we get a glimpse of Harry's nice side is in the one scene with Peter where they go for a stroll and have a chat. As the Goblin he was not scary, he was not creepy. He was over acted by DeHaan. Again the Goblin is barely in it, guys. I'm talking like 5 minutes screen time. All one scene.

- Not enough fight scenes. We have three villains in this. And we get two fight scenes. Both in the finale. One with Electro and one with Goblin. The Electro one was really well done, and I loved it. Goblin's was too brief. Those of you expecting a fight scene in the Times Square scene with Electro will be bitterly disappointed. It's [BLACKOUT]literally a scene where Electro charges up, Spidey tries to talk him down, Electro flips out and starts zapping stuff, and Spidey takes him down with a fire hose.[/BLACKOUT] The worst part of this scene is they play some kind of RAP SONG. I am not kidding. I thought I was hearing things. It was a rap like song with lyrics about hating Spider-Man. Bloody awful!

- Rhino. I don't know if it was intentional but Aleksi was the most OTT character ever to appear in a Spidey movie. Paul Giamatti is walking ham in this. If his role was bigger I'd say he deserved a Razzie. It was so corny. His dialogue is woeful. When he appears in his Rhino suit we don't get to see him do anything cool with it [blackout]besides shoot at the Cops, before Spidey shows up. Rhino charges at Spidey the movie ends[/blackout].

- Dr. Kafka. Think of the most cliche OTT German doctor. That's Dr. Kafka in this.

The villains all fall short big time. They are under developed, short changed screen time wise, and in Electro and Rhino's case they are both too cheesy for my tastes. Webb's weakest element in these movies is how he handles the villains. Lizard, Goblin, Electro, Rhino....none of them come up to scratch. Like I said the only possible saving grace is some of them may appear again in the Sinister Six spin off. But what we've had so far has not impressed me. All of them are played by competent great actors. It's the material and direction that lets them down, not the talent. They're not lacking in that.

Overall I give the movie a 6/10, and that's mainly for Peter and Gwen, which is essentially what the movie is about. Everything else is under developed sub plots that get little look in. Because Andrew and Emma were so good in this, and basically the movie is about their relationship predominantly, that saves the movie. I really get what all those reviews were saying when they said that. They are the saving grace of the movie.

 

[Hammer!]

No probs. Also, I edited "would" to "wouldn't" when referring to whether I'd say it was "dead in the water". Important difference lol.




Dafoe hands down. It's a hard comparison in some ways as it's really Norman vs Harry from two separate iterations. Though some may feel Dafoe was too hammy, I felt he had a good handle on it and I know 'broad acting' is a viable choice with some material. His performance doesn't overdo it for me and fits much better with Raimi's world overall. I still like Dehaan as Harry, but didn't quite get into his Goblin. Though his Goblin is only on screen for a matter of minutes to be fair.

Foxx & Giamatti I feel had more a handle on their sense of hammy/broad acting, with Foxx beating out Giamatti imo. Giamatti seemed to be enjoying just having fun in a similar sense I got from Ben Kingsley as 'Trevor', whereas Foxx actually managed to seem like he was fighting and winning against some real clunky lines imo.

Though if you're talking looks then Dehann looks better. That being said I think the promo material makes the armour and glider look better than it did in the film strangely enough (keep in mind it is an unfinished prototype).

Yeah Dafoe is underrated by far in the pantheon of CBM villains.

I thought multiple films of Harry with Dehann gradually going through his character arc from chronicle, would be spot on for a similar arc Harry had from the comics. Unable to live up to dad's expectations, discovery of dad as goblin, finally living up to dad's legacy through the goblin, etc.

Still can't get over how they're skipping all that, including giving Norman such a minuscule role in this one, but I'll walk in as open minded as I can.

 

[PeterBenParker]

So, a certain someone on a certain site called this the Batman and Robin of the Spider-Man franchise.

 

[Green Goblin]

I'm just home from seeing it. I went into this movie with a huge open mind wanting to love it with all my heart. First of all I start with the positives:

- Andrew Garfield was much more likable in this as Peter. It was great to see him actually feel guilt at breaking the promise to Captain Stacy. It irked me at the end of TASM 1 how he smiled and quipped that breaking that promise is the most fun to break. Here we got to see Peter conflicted over that. His chemistry with Emma Stone was impeccable. His Spider-Man had better humor in this one, although some of the one liners were really cheesy and unfunny, but overall they worked mostly. Spider-Man himself had a great hero vibe. There's a really heart warming scene with a nerdy Science kid he saves from some bullies.

- Emma Stone. She is Gwen Stacy. I cannot fault anything about Emma. Not a single thing. She was a joy to watch in every scene and provided a huge emotional anchor for the movie. Perfection. Best Spidey love interest of the movies by far.

- The action. Webb stepped up his game in the action department. When the action gets going it looks fantastic. Some beautiful visuals.

- The Spidey costume was GORGEOUS. What a huge step up from the previous movie's one. Spidey was a visual delight in that new suit.

- Sally Field as Aunt May. Although she is used very sparingly, she's solid in all of her scenes. Her and Peter have one wonderful scene in particular in Peter's room. I'll say no more on that one but it's a great scene.

- [BLACKOUT]Gwen's death scene. Masterfully done. Heart wrenching.[/BLACKOUT]

- The resolution of Peter's parents. Glad to see that one wrapped up, and done well.

- [BLACKOUT]Gustav Fiers. Anyone who reads the Sinister Six novels knows who I'm talking about.[/BLACKOUT]


The negatives:

- Electro. A weak villain through and through. Max Dillon is a cheesy caricature of a character. He talks to himself in the most cheesy fashion. The scene in his apartment is painful to watch. He's singing Happy Birthday to himself just before he has his Electro accident. Awful. When he becomes Electro he is barely used, and his motivation is pathetic and too paper thin. He is not menacing. He is not bad ass. He just comes off as an attention seeking loser trying to show off his electric powers and [blackout]ultimately becomes Harry's lackey[/blackout].

- The Harry and Peter friendship. Too brief to make me care. They share two scenes together before Harry goes psycho. Not nearly enough to make you feel the emotional punch you should feel when best friends become enemies.

- The Goblin. Almost as much screen time as Rhino. [BLACKOUT]He literally comes in, rants at Spidey for a minute before he grabs Gwen. Spidey and Goblin fight for like a minute before Harry is defeated. The only positive is he lives and is being set up for the Sinister Six spin off.[/BLACKOUT] DeHaan gives a good performance as dark Harry, but there's more to Harry than just being dark and intense. Webb's Harry is very limited. The only time we get a glimpse of Harry's nice side is in the one scene with Peter where they go for a stroll and have a chat. As the Goblin he was not scary, he was not creepy. He was over acted by DeHaan. Again the Goblin is barely in it, guys. I'm talking like 5 minutes screen time. All one scene.

- Not enough fight scenes. We have three villains in this. And we get two fight scenes. Both in the finale. One with Electro and one with Goblin. The Electro one was really well done, and I loved it. Goblin's was too brief. Those of you expecting a fight scene in the Times Square scene with Electro will be bitterly disappointed. It's [BLACKOUT]literally a scene where Electro charges up, Spidey tries to talk him down, Electro flips out and starts zapping stuff, and Spidey takes him down with a fire hose.[/BLACKOUT] The worst part of this scene is they play some kind of RAP SONG. I am not kidding. I thought I was hearing things. It was a rap like song with lyrics about hating Spider-Man. Bloody awful!

- Rhino. I don't know if it was intentional but Aleksi was the most OTT character ever to appear in a Spidey movie. Paul Giamatti is walking ham in this. If his role was bigger I'd say he deserved a Razzie. It was so corny. His dialogue is woeful. When he appears in his Rhino suit we don't get to see him do anything cool with it [blackout]besides shoot at the Cops, before Spidey shows up. Rhino charges at Spidey the movie ends[/blackout].

The villains all fall short big time. They are under developed, short changed screen time wise, and in Electro and Rhino's case they are both too cheesy for my tastes. Webb's weakest element in these movies is how he handles the villains. Lizard, Goblin, Electro, Rhino....none of them come up to scratch. Like I said the only possible saving grace is some of them may appear again in the Sinister Six spin off. But what we've had so far has not impressed him. All of them are played by competent great actors. It's the material and direction that lets them down, not the talent. They're not lacking in that.

Overall I give the movie a 6/10, and that's mainly for Peter and Gwen, which is essentially
what the movie is about. Everything else is under developed sub plots that get little look in. Because Andrew and Emma were so good in this, and basically the movie is about their relationship predominantly, that saves the movie. I really get what all those reviews were
saying when they said that. They are the saving grace of the movie.

Nice review. Sad you didn't like it but nice review anyway. Makes me nervous for tomorrow :|

 

[Hammer!]

I'm just home from seeing it. I went into this movie with a huge open mind wanting to love it with all my heart. First of all I start with the positives:

- Andrew Garfield was much more likable in this as Peter. It was great to see him actually feel guilt at breaking the promise to Captain Stacy. It irked me at the end of TASM 1 how he smiled and quipped that breaking that promise is the most fun to break. Here we got to see Peter conflicted over that. His chemistry with Emma Stone was impeccable. His Spider-Man had better humor in this one, although some of the one liners were really cheesy and unfunny, but overall they worked mostly. Spider-Man himself had a great hero vibe. There's a really heart warming scene with a nerdy Science kid he saves from some bullies.

- Emma Stone. She is Gwen Stacy. I cannot fault anything about Emma. Not a single thing. She was a joy to watch in every scene and provided a huge emotional anchor for the movie. Perfection. Best Spidey love interest of the movies by far.

- The action. Webb stepped up his game in the action department. When the action gets going it looks fantastic. Some beautiful visuals.

- The Spidey costume was GORGEOUS. What a huge step up from the previous movie's one. Spidey was a visual delight in that new suit.

- Sally Field as Aunt May. Although she is used very sparingly, she's solid in all of her scenes. Her and Peter have one wonderful scene in particular in Peter's room. I'll say no more on that one but it's a great scene.

- [BLACKOUT]Gwen's death scene. Masterfully done. Heart wrenching.[/BLACKOUT]

- The resolution of Peter's parents. Glad to see that one wrapped up, and done well.

- [BLACKOUT]Gustav Fiers. Anyone who reads the Sinister Six novels knows who I'm talking about.[/BLACKOUT]


The negatives:

- Electro. A weak villain through and through. Max Dillon is a cheesy caricature of a character. He talks to himself in the most cheesy fashion. The scene in his apartment is painful to watch. He's singing Happy Birthday to himself just before he has his Electro accident. Awful. When he becomes Electro he is barely used, and his motivation is pathetic and too paper thin. He is not menacing. He is not bad ass. He just comes off as an attention seeking loser trying to show off his electric powers and [blackout]ultimately becomes Harry's lackey[/blackout].

- The Harry and Peter friendship. Too brief to make me care. They share two scenes together before Harry goes psycho. Not nearly enough to make you feel the emotional punch you should feel when best friends become enemies.

- The Goblin. Almost as much screen time as Rhino. [BLACKOUT]He literally comes in, rants at Spidey for a minute before he grabs Gwen. Spidey and Goblin fight for like a minute before Harry is defeated. The only positive is he lives and is being set up for the Sinister Six spin off.[/BLACKOUT] DeHaan gives a good performance as dark Harry, but there's more to Harry than just being dark and intense. Webb's Harry is very limited. The only time we get a glimpse of Harry's nice side is in the one scene with Peter where they go for a stroll and have a chat. As the Goblin he was not scary, he was not creepy. He was over acted by DeHaan. Again the Goblin is barely in it, guys. I'm talking like 5 minutes screen time. All one scene.

- Not enough fight scenes. We have three villains in this. And we get two fight scenes. Both in the finale. One with Electro and one with Goblin. The Electro one was really well done, and I loved it. Goblin's was too brief. Those of you expecting a fight scene in the Times Square scene with Electro will be bitterly disappointed. It's [BLACKOUT]literally a scene where Electro charges up, Spidey tries to talk him down, Electro flips out and starts zapping stuff, and Spidey takes him down with a fire hose.[/BLACKOUT] The worst part of this scene is they play some kind of RAP SONG. I am not kidding. I thought I was hearing things. It was a rap like song with lyrics about hating Spider-Man. Bloody awful!

- Rhino. I don't know if it was intentional but Aleksi was the most OTT character ever to appear in a Spidey movie. Paul Giamatti is walking ham in this. If his role was bigger I'd say he deserved a Razzie. It was so corny. His dialogue is woeful. When he appears in his Rhino suit we don't get to see him do anything cool with it [blackout]besides shoot at the Cops, before Spidey shows up. Rhino charges at Spidey the movie ends[/blackout].

- Dr. Kafka. Think of the most cliche OTT German doctor. That's Dr. Kafka in this.

The villains all fall short big time. They are under developed, short changed screen time wise, and in Electro and Rhino's case they are both too cheesy for my tastes. Webb's weakest element in these movies is how he handles the villains. Lizard, Goblin, Electro, Rhino....none of them come up to scratch. Like I said the only possible saving grace is some of them may appear again in the Sinister Six spin off. But what we've had so far has not impressed me. All of them are played by competent great actors. It's the material and direction that lets them down, not the talent. They're not lacking in that.

Overall I give the movie a 6/10, and that's mainly for Peter and Gwen, which is essentially what the movie is about. Everything else is under developed sub plots that get little look in. Because Andrew and Emma were so good in this, and basically the movie is about their relationship predominantly, that saves the movie. I really get what all those reviews were saying when they said that. They are the saving grace of the movie.

Thanks Joker! Everything I've been reading has me to believe we'll probably be seeing eye to eye on this one. How does it compare to Amazing 1?

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'm just home from seeing it. I went into this movie with a huge open mind wanting to love it with all my heart. First of all I start with the positives:

- Andrew Garfield was much more likable in this as Peter. It was great to see him actually feel guilt at breaking the promise to Captain Stacy. It irked me at the end of TASM 1 how he smiled and quipped that breaking that promise is the most fun to break. Here we got to see Peter conflicted over that. His chemistry with Emma Stone was impeccable. His Spider-Man had better humor in this one, although some of the one liners were really cheesy and unfunny, but overall they worked mostly. Spider-Man himself had a great hero vibe. There's a really heart warming scene with a nerdy Science kid he saves from some bullies.

- Emma Stone. She is Gwen Stacy. I cannot fault anything about Emma. Not a single thing. She was a joy to watch in every scene and provided a huge emotional anchor for the movie. Perfection. Best Spidey love interest of the movies by far.

- The action. Webb stepped up his game in the action department. When the action gets going it looks fantastic. Some beautiful visuals.

- The Spidey costume was GORGEOUS. What a huge step up from the previous movie's one. Spidey was a visual delight in that new suit.

- Sally Field as Aunt May. Although she is used very sparingly, she's solid in all of her scenes. Her and Peter have one wonderful scene in particular in Peter's room. I'll say no more on that one but it's a great scene.

- [BLACKOUT]Gwen's death scene. Masterfully done. Heart wrenching.[/BLACKOUT]

- The resolution of Peter's parents. Glad to see that one wrapped up, and done well.

- [BLACKOUT]Gustav Fiers. Anyone who reads the Sinister Six novels knows who I'm talking about.[/BLACKOUT]

The negatives:

- Electro. A weak villain through and through. Max Dillon is a cheesy caricature of a character. He talks to himself in the most cheesy fashion. The scene in his apartment is painful to watch. He's singing Happy Birthday to himself just before he has his Electro accident. Awful. When he becomes Electro he is barely used, and his motivation is pathetic and too paper thin. He is not menacing. He is not bad ass. He just comes off as an attention seeking loser trying to show off his electric powers and [blackout]ultimately becomes Harry's lackey[/blackout].

- The Harry and Peter friendship. Too brief to make me care. They share two scenes together before Harry goes psycho. Not nearly enough to make you feel the emotional punch you should feel when best friends become enemies.

- The Goblin. Almost as much screen time as Rhino. [BLACKOUT]He literally comes in, rants at Spidey for a minute before he grabs Gwen. Spidey and Goblin fight for like a minute before Harry is defeated. The only positive is he lives and is being set up for the Sinister Six spin off.[/BLACKOUT] DeHaan gives a good performance as dark Harry, but there's more to Harry than just being dark and intense. Webb's Harry is very limited. The only time we get a glimpse of Harry's nice side is in the one scene with Peter where they go for a stroll and have a chat. As the Goblin he was not scary, he was not creepy. He was over acted by DeHaan. Again the Goblin is barely in it, guys. I'm talking like 5 minutes screen time. All one scene.

- Not enough fight scenes. We have three villains in this. And we get two fight scenes. Both in the finale. One with Electro and one with Goblin. The Electro one was really well done, and I loved it. Goblin's was too brief. Those of you expecting a fight scene in the Times Square scene with Electro will be bitterly disappointed. It's [BLACKOUT]literally a scene where Electro charges up, Spidey tries to talk him down, Electro flips out and starts zapping stuff, and Spidey takes him down with a fire hose.[/BLACKOUT] The worst part of this scene is they play some kind of RAP SONG. I am not kidding. I thought I was hearing things. It was a rap like song with lyrics about hating Spider-Man. Bloody awful!

- Rhino. I don't know if it was intentional but Aleksi was the most OTT character ever to appear in a Spidey movie. Paul Giamatti is walking ham in this. If his role was bigger I'd say he deserved a Razzie. It was so corny. His dialogue is woeful. When he appears in his Rhino suit we don't get to see him do anything cool with it [blackout]besides shoot at the Cops, before Spidey shows up. Rhino charges at Spidey the movie ends[/blackout].

- Dr. Kafka. Think of the most cliche OTT German doctor. That's Dr. Kafka in this.

The villains all fall short big time. They are under developed, short changed screen time wise, and in Electro and Rhino's case they are both too cheesy for my tastes. Webb's weakest element in these movies is how he handles the villains. Lizard, Goblin, Electro, Rhino....none of them come up to scratch. Like I said the only possible saving grace is some of them may appear again in the Sinister Six spin off. But what we've had so far has not impressed me. All of them are played by competent great actors. It's the material and direction that lets them down, not the talent. They're not lacking in that.

Overall I give the movie a 6/10, and that's mainly for Peter and Gwen, which is essentially what the movie is about. Everything else is under developed sub plots that get little look in. Because Andrew and Emma were so good in this, and basically the movie is about their relationship predominantly, that saves the movie. I really get what all those reviews were saying when they said that. They are the saving grace of the movie.

Good review. Made me sad but you backed up your opinions very well.

Did you like it more than TASM1?

 

[JOE]

I'm just home from seeing it. I went into this movie with a huge open mind wanting to love it with all my heart. First of all I start with the positives:

- Andrew Garfield was much more likable in this as Peter. It was great to see him actually feel guilt at breaking the promise to Captain Stacy. It irked me at the end of TASM 1 how he smiled and quipped that breaking that promise is the most fun to break. Here we got to see Peter conflicted over that. His chemistry with Emma Stone was impeccable. His Spider-Man had better humor in this one, although some of the one liners were really cheesy and unfunny, but overall they worked mostly. Spider-Man himself had a great hero vibe. There's a really heart warming scene with a nerdy Science kid he saves from some bullies.

- Emma Stone. She is Gwen Stacy. I cannot fault anything about Emma. Not a single thing. She was a joy to watch in every scene and provided a huge emotional anchor for the movie. Perfection. Best Spidey love interest of the movies by far.

- The action. Webb stepped up his game in the action department. When the action gets going it looks fantastic. Some beautiful visuals.

- The Spidey costume was GORGEOUS. What a huge step up from the previous movie's one. Spidey was a visual delight in that new suit.

- Sally Field as Aunt May. Although she is used very sparingly, she's solid in all of her scenes. Her and Peter have one wonderful scene in particular in Peter's room. I'll say no more on that one but it's a great scene.

- [BLACKOUT]Gwen's death scene. Masterfully done. Heart wrenching.[/BLACKOUT]

- The resolution of Peter's parents. Glad to see that one wrapped up, and done well.

- [BLACKOUT]Gustav Fiers. Anyone who reads the Sinister Six novels knows who I'm talking about.[/BLACKOUT]


The negatives:

- Electro. A weak villain through and through. Max Dillon is a cheesy caricature of a character. He talks to himself in the most cheesy fashion. The scene in his apartment is painful to watch. He's singing Happy Birthday to himself just before he has his Electro accident. Awful. When he becomes Electro he is barely used, and his motivation is pathetic and too paper thin. He is not menacing. He is not bad ass. He just comes off as an attention seeking loser trying to show off his electric powers and [blackout]ultimately becomes Harry's lackey[/blackout].

- The Harry and Peter friendship. Too brief to make me care. They share two scenes together before Harry goes psycho. Not nearly enough to make you feel the emotional punch you should feel when best friends become enemies.

- The Goblin. Almost as much screen time as Rhino. [BLACKOUT]He literally comes in, rants at Spidey for a minute before he grabs Gwen. Spidey and Goblin fight for like a minute before Harry is defeated. The only positive is he lives and is being set up for the Sinister Six spin off.[/BLACKOUT] DeHaan gives a good performance as dark Harry, but there's more to Harry than just being dark and intense. Webb's Harry is very limited. The only time we get a glimpse of Harry's nice side is in the one scene with Peter where they go for a stroll and have a chat. As the Goblin he was not scary, he was not creepy. He was over acted by DeHaan. Again the Goblin is barely in it, guys. I'm talking like 5 minutes screen time. All one scene.

- Not enough fight scenes. We have three villains in this. And we get two fight scenes. Both in the finale. One with Electro and one with Goblin. The Electro one was really well done, and I loved it. Goblin's was too brief. Those of you expecting a fight scene in the Times Square scene with Electro will be bitterly disappointed. It's [BLACKOUT]literally a scene where Electro charges up, Spidey tries to talk him down, Electro flips out and starts zapping stuff, and Spidey takes him down with a fire hose.[/BLACKOUT] The worst part of this scene is they play some kind of RAP SONG. I am not kidding. I thought I was hearing things. It was a rap like song with lyrics about hating Spider-Man. Bloody awful!

- Rhino. I don't know if it was intentional but Aleksi was the most OTT character ever to appear in a Spidey movie. Paul Giamatti is walking ham in this. If his role was bigger I'd say he deserved a Razzie. It was so corny. His dialogue is woeful. When he appears in his Rhino suit we don't get to see him do anything cool with it [blackout]besides shoot at the Cops, before Spidey shows up. Rhino charges at Spidey the movie ends[/blackout].

- Dr. Kafka. Think of the most cliche OTT German doctor. That's Dr. Kafka in this.

The villains all fall short big time. They are under developed, short changed screen time wise, and in Electro and Rhino's case they are both too cheesy for my tastes. Webb's weakest element in these movies is how he handles the villains. Lizard, Goblin, Electro, Rhino....none of them come up to scratch. Like I said the only possible saving grace is some of them may appear again in the Sinister Six spin off. But what we've had so far has not impressed me. All of them are played by competent great actors. It's the material and direction that lets them down, not the talent. They're not lacking in that.

Overall I give the movie a 6/10, and that's mainly for Peter and Gwen, which is essentially what the movie is about. Everything else is under developed sub plots that get little look in. Because Andrew and Emma were so good in this, and basically the movie is about their relationship predominantly, that saves the movie. I really get what all those reviews were saying when they said that. They are the saving grace of the movie.

Great review Joker! Really enjoyed reading it. My concerns for this movie are exactly what you pointed out. On the flip side, the things I'm excited to see in this movie are in your positives as well. Thanks! Well written and fair.

 

[Oscorp]

Great review, Joker! I'll see the film tomorrow, I hope I'll like it more.

 

[The Infernal]

So, a certain someone on a certain site called this the Batman and Robin of the Spider-Man franchise.

Dunno who this someone is (nor care really), but I'm glad you mentioned this. For all my gripes, that comparison is honestly just laughable. I lol'd a little bit at the thought.

 

[SpeterMan3]

Nice review, Joker

Is it more or less what you were expecting?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Dunno, who this someone is (nor care really), but I'm glad you mentioned this. For all my gripes, that comparison is honestly just laughable. I lol'd a little bit at the thought.

Well at least it's not comparable to Batman & Robin. That really had me worried.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

For anybody that has seen the movie,

Spoiler

Does Peter beat up Goblin bad in the battle? Is there ever a moment where Spidey takes his mask off and fights him?

 

[Leenie]

I'm just home from seeing it. I went into this movie with a huge open mind wanting to love it with all my heart. First of all I start with the positives:

- Andrew Garfield was much more likable in this as Peter. It was great to see him actually feel guilt at breaking the promise to Captain Stacy. It irked me at the end of TASM 1 how he smiled and quipped that breaking that promise is the most fun to break. Here we got to see Peter conflicted over that. His chemistry with Emma Stone was impeccable. His Spider-Man had better humor in this one, although some of the one liners were really cheesy and unfunny, but overall they worked mostly. Spider-Man himself had a great hero vibe. There's a really heart warming scene with a nerdy Science kid he saves from some bullies.

- Emma Stone. She is Gwen Stacy. I cannot fault anything about Emma. Not a single thing. She was a joy to watch in every scene and provided a huge emotional anchor for the movie. Perfection. Best Spidey love interest of the movies by far.

- The action. Webb stepped up his game in the action department. When the action gets going it looks fantastic. Some beautiful visuals.

- The Spidey costume was GORGEOUS. What a huge step up from the previous movie's one. Spidey was a visual delight in that new suit.

- Sally Field as Aunt May. Although she is used very sparingly, she's solid in all of her scenes. Her and Peter have one wonderful scene in particular in Peter's room. I'll say no more on that one but it's a great scene.

- [BLACKOUT]Gwen's death scene. Masterfully done. Heart wrenching.[/BLACKOUT]

- The resolution of Peter's parents. Glad to see that one wrapped up, and done well.

- [BLACKOUT]Gustav Fiers. Anyone who reads the Sinister Six novels knows who I'm talking about.[/BLACKOUT]


The negatives:

- Electro. A weak villain through and through. Max Dillon is a cheesy caricature of a character. He talks to himself in the most cheesy fashion. The scene in his apartment is painful to watch. He's singing Happy Birthday to himself just before he has his Electro accident. Awful. When he becomes Electro he is barely used, and his motivation is pathetic and too paper thin. He is not menacing. He is not bad ass. He just comes off as an attention seeking loser trying to show off his electric powers and [blackout]ultimately becomes Harry's lackey[/blackout].

- The Harry and Peter friendship. Too brief to make me care. They share two scenes together before Harry goes psycho. Not nearly enough to make you feel the emotional punch you should feel when best friends become enemies.

- The Goblin. Almost as much screen time as Rhino. [BLACKOUT]He literally comes in, rants at Spidey for a minute before he grabs Gwen. Spidey and Goblin fight for like a minute before Harry is defeated. The only positive is he lives and is being set up for the Sinister Six spin off.[/BLACKOUT] DeHaan gives a good performance as dark Harry, but there's more to Harry than just being dark and intense. Webb's Harry is very limited. The only time we get a glimpse of Harry's nice side is in the one scene with Peter where they go for a stroll and have a chat. As the Goblin he was not scary, he was not creepy. He was over acted by DeHaan. Again the Goblin is barely in it, guys. I'm talking like 5 minutes screen time. All one scene.

- Not enough fight scenes. We have three villains in this. And we get two fight scenes. Both in the finale. One with Electro and one with Goblin. The Electro one was really well done, and I loved it. Goblin's was too brief. Those of you expecting a fight scene in the Times Square scene with Electro will be bitterly disappointed. It's [BLACKOUT]literally a scene where Electro charges up, Spidey tries to talk him down, Electro flips out and starts zapping stuff, and Spidey takes him down with a fire hose.[/BLACKOUT] The worst part of this scene is they play some kind of RAP SONG. I am not kidding. I thought I was hearing things. It was a rap like song with lyrics about hating Spider-Man. Bloody awful!

- Rhino. I don't know if it was intentional but Aleksi was the most OTT character ever to appear in a Spidey movie. Paul Giamatti is walking ham in this. If his role was bigger I'd say he deserved a Razzie. It was so corny. His dialogue is woeful. When he appears in his Rhino suit we don't get to see him do anything cool with it [blackout]besides shoot at the Cops, before Spidey shows up. Rhino charges at Spidey the movie ends[/blackout].

- Dr. Kafka. Think of the most cliche OTT German doctor. That's Dr. Kafka in this.

The villains all fall short big time. They are under developed, short changed screen time wise, and in Electro and Rhino's case they are both too cheesy for my tastes. Webb's weakest element in these movies is how he handles the villains. Lizard, Goblin, Electro, Rhino....none of them come up to scratch. Like I said the only possible saving grace is some of them may appear again in the Sinister Six spin off. But what we've had so far has not impressed me. All of them are played by competent great actors. It's the material and direction that lets them down, not the talent. They're not lacking in that.

Overall I give the movie a 6/10, and that's mainly for Peter and Gwen, which is essentially what the movie is about. Everything else is under developed sub plots that get little look in. Because Andrew and Emma were so good in this, and basically the movie is about their relationship predominantly, that saves the movie. I really get what all those reviews were saying when they said that. They are the saving grace of the movie.

Nice review. I have a feeling that I will have the same opinion towards this movie overall. I will probably enjoy this movie a lot more than the first TASM if Peter does end up being more likable. His attitude in the first TASM is what really killed the movie for me, personally. I'm willing to forgive a lot of things as long as I'm rooting for the hero this time!

 

[GuestStar2004]

wow i notice negative reviews seem to get more peoples attention then the good ones on here lol, a good one... nothing, a bad one... oh now i am worried :P

 

[GuestStar2004]

For anybody that has seen the movie,

Spoiler

Does Peter beat up Goblin bad in the battle? Is there ever a moment where Spidey takes his mask off and fights him?

Spoiler

no he doesn't to either question

 

[ever tim]

Saw the film today, 8/10 overall. It could go down to 7/10 or up to 9/10 upon my second viewing.

I don't have a lot of criticisms as of right now... but one thing I couldn't help but wonder is, Harry works out that Spider-Man is Peter like riiiight at the end when he becomes Goblin. Wouldn't it have been better to have Harry stumble upon footage of Peter in the spider room from the first film? Oscorp has so much stuff under surveillance, but not that one damn room? Especially considering how important Richard's cross-species work is to them...

I don't know what else I can say against the film, it felt like the perfect Spider-Man film. It played out like a comic book, the humor and more serious moments were balanced out pretty well.

A spoiler list:

- Norman's illness IS named... but I forgot what it's called, haha. "Viral" something. It's hereditary. Norman looks VERY Goblin-y when you see him on his death bed. He has green clawed hands. Like proper thick-ass, long, icky-looking nails

- Richard's work is indeed coded to his own DNA

- Peter doesn't want to give his blood to Harry because he's scared Harry will react to it like Connors did

- No scene with Norman's head, no symbiote either. The supposed after credits scene is now at the end, as part of the film. Man in the Shadows is referred to as "Mr Fiers". He asks Harry (who is at Ravencroft by the end) about how many people he wants, Harry says he wants to keep it small and says "Six". Mr Fiers is talking about the first candidate, Aleksei... cue Rhino suit in the background in the chamber... leading up to a very short Rhino vs Spider-Man sequence. It's pretty much what you've seen in the trailers

- Gwen does die, Goblin doesn't snap her neck. She falls off of a gear, Spider-Man dives after her, slow-mo moment, he shoots a web, it catches her waist and the sudden jolt as she stops falling due to being caught by the web causes her to hit her head on the ground

- The Sinister Six are teased in the animated credits (think Iron Man's credits where you see the tech and War Machine)... I swear I saw a closeup of a theatre mask or something... Chameleon? The others I saw for definite were Ock's tentacles, Vulture's wings, Goblin's glider, Rhino

- There's a bit where the main credits "glitch"... and a clip from DoFP plays, it was posted up there. It was... weird

Anything anybody wants to ask me?

 

[FN Spider-man]

Awesome review Joker some of the positives are what i'm looking for and some of the negatives you gave more insight on then those others so thank you

 

[Picard Sisko]

Saw the film today, 8/10 overall. It could go down to 7/10 or up to 9/10 upon my second viewing.

I don't have a lot of criticisms as of right now... but one thing I couldn't help but wonder is, Harry works out that Spider-Man is Peter like riiiight at the end when he becomes Goblin. Wouldn't it have been better to have Harry stumble upon footage of Peter in the spider room from the first film? Oscorp has so much stuff under surveillance, but not that one damn room? Especially considering how important Richard's cross-species work is to them...

I don't know what else I can say against the film, it felt like the perfect Spider-Man film. It played out like a comic book, the humor and more serious moments were balanced out pretty well.

A spoiler list:

- Norman's illness IS named... but I forgot what it's called, haha. "Viral" something. It's hereditary. Norman looks VERY Goblin-y when you see him on his death bed. He has green clawed hands. Like proper thick-ass, long, icky-looking nails

- Richard's work is indeed coded to his own DNA

- Peter doesn't want to give his blood to Harry because he's scared Harry will react to it like Connors did

- No scene with Norman's head, no symbiote either. The supposed after credits scene is now at the end, as part of the film. Man in the Shadows is referred to as "Mr Fiers". He asks Harry (who is at Ravencroft by the end) about how many people he wants, Harry says he wants to keep it small and says "Six". Mr Fiers is talking about the first candidate, Aleksei... cue Rhino suit in the background in the chamber... leading up to a very short Rhino vs Spider-Man sequence. It's pretty much what you've seen in the trailers

- Gwen does die, Goblin doesn't snap her neck. She falls off of a gear, Spider-Man dives after her, slow-mo moment, he shoots a web, it catches her waist and the sudden jolt as she stops falling due to being caught by the web causes her to hit her head on the ground

- The Sinister Six are teased in the animated credits (think Iron Man's credits where you see the tech and War Machine)... I swear I saw a closeup of a theatre mask or something... Chameleon? The others I saw for definite were Ock's tentacles, Vulture's wings, Goblin's glider, Rhino

- There's a bit where the main credits "glitch"... and a clip from DoFP plays, it was posted up there. It was... weird

Anything anybody wants to ask me?

Very interesting. How was the action in this film? Also was the movie really a mess? Was there too much going on like Spider-Man 3?

 

[Gavan]

I don't think we're supposed to think Harry is Peter's bestest buddy ever, purely because of the constraints set by TASM. Whatever they were in the past as children, they can't and won't be as close now. Certainly not roommate material.

I don't think TASM2 will expect people to think that either. Unless, worst case scenario, I am proven wrong.