The Atheism Thread - Part 7

[KevanG]

Dammit people. Stop being idiots.

If it was only that easy.

Very pissed about vaccines only being 53%. We need to start forcing this stuff to be learned in school.

 

[jmc]

That is a sad set of statistics.

 

[MrsKent26]

Only 82% think smoking causes cancer? Very worrisome.

Those people should hang out with me at work sometimes.

 

[Marvolo]

Well now that Im good and depressed by my country im gonna go somewhere and weep. God bless this free and ignorant America.

 

[jmc]

What you people need is another Space Race.

 

[Marvolo]

I just listened to The Book of Mormon: Joseph Smith American Moses. The funniest vulgar **** Ive ever heard! Ive got to see this on broadway.

 

[The End]

Pol:: Big Bang Still a Big Question for Most Americans

Truly pathetic level of scientific understanding in the USA. This is a severe problem.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Truly pathetic level of scientific understanding in the USA. This is a severe problem.

But has skepticism in science declined lately?

 

[DarkSovereignty]

[YT]dPWnsQsUxNo[/YT]

Soooooo...this is both hilarious and terrifying at the same time.

 

[redhawk23]

But has skepticism in science declined lately?

Has it?

If anything, published journal articles are more widely available and more often openly challenged. There is a lot more public shaming of bad research, whole sites devoted to tracking retractions.

Scientists have an interest, financially and in terms of fame of being the one to disprove major paradigms. The very basis of whole fields are constantly challenged.

 

[rodhulk]

You are the reason Christianity is dying. Enjoy your inclusive country club religion while the walls get closer and closer from the encroaching revelations of science and the anger over the intolerance you preach. People like you have more hate and judgmental attitudes than heathens that are "burning in hell" like Gandhi. It should be no surprise to anyone why faith is fleeting worldwide. Jesus rose from the dead so that you could hate the gays and be against Universal Healthcare.

rodhulk, you can't just say someone claims to be a christian because they think differently than you. That's just being a bigot. You've said that you don't want to talk to people who have spoken to you intolerantly but you're willing to just throw that out there just to irritate others.

Oh for crying out loud.

Job 9:8!! It's simply too big a leap, there are simply too many assumptions, in believing that 'stretching out the heavens' is a reference to the big bang, and believing in that over other interpretations with less assumptions is a big fat fallacy in thinking.

Just because you won't acknowledge your mistakes, doesn't mean you haven't made any.

The point I've been trying to make is, if you can't recognize the flaw in your thinking with Job 9:8, you're not going to recognize the same flaw when you talk about end time prophecies or anything else in the bible. You'll keep on thinking that you're correct, no matter how big the leaps in logic you make.




Give me a time frame for the end times. 10 years? 20? 50? 100?

Can enough time pass that you'd consider you could have been wrong about this being the end times?

In 50 years, will you STILL be saying we're in the end times? It's easy to be vague about prophecies of the end times, that way you don't have to be held to it when it doesn't occur across the decades.

People have been saying the same thing for centuries, man.

Failed prophecies of the bible.

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Failed_prophecy_in_the_Bible



More on prophecies.

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index....r_7:_The_Bible.27s_100.25_Accurate_Prophecies



Vagueness....

You won't be held to a specific time frame for prophecy because the prophecies are too vague.

My statement of loving the world is different than a lot of you make it and not just in these posts but other posts as well. That said, there is also a lot of truth in them. My statement means that I stay away from things that are a sin and/or are separate from God and/or replaces God. No, I am not perfect and nobody is. It is Christ and his work on the cross that I rely on. But by truly relying on Christ, I also rely on him from day-to-day to lead me into things righteous. And these righteous things are found in the scriptures. It is said that if you really belong to Christ, then you will do what he commands. I am aware that many things I say (and have said) will not be accepted by many of you but it is God that I worship and follow.

And as hard as it is for many to all of you to believe, I have not cast judgement on any of you in terms of the next life which is eternal (at least as I believe). That is all up to God. But I can, as per the Bible, say things that are made clear (in terms of sin) and yes, scripture says that.

As per Job 9:8, you don't have to accept my position. But I have provided it and whether or not it is correct (yes, I believe it is and showed why), it hasn't been done away with.

As per the end times prophecies, that's the only thing you can really bring up that perhaps I shouldn't be using. But the reason for that is that since there is a lot of talk in the scriptures about the end times, it's obviously important to God and since the Bible is for man, then it is important for us. If we are in the end times and these prophecies continue to increase, I'm hoping that any who are open and searching may be convinced by the continuous end times fulfillments. If we're not in the end times, that would be "my" misunderstanding, not the Bible's or God's. I still have provided enough on other topics that show strong support for God and the Bible. But if we are in the end times and I believe we are, it may be time to wake up to what is going on.

As per the supposed contradictions, I gave a couple of links that answer many supposed biblical contradictions. Anybody here can search those links or do a google search and the answer may turn up. The Bible is the word of God (2 Timothy 3:16). Here are the links:

http://thedevineevidence.com/skeptic...adictions.html

http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...cripture-index

(This one has to do with creation-evolution) http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-...tering-critics

 

[MrsKent26]

And as hard as it is for many to all of you to believe, I have not cast judgement on any of you in terms of the next life which is eternal (at least as I believe). That is all up to God. But I can, as per the Bible, say things that are made clear (in terms of sin) and yes, scripture says that.


As per the end times prophecies, that's the only thing you can really bring up that perhaps I shouldn't be using. But the reason for that is that since there is a lot of talk in the scriptures about the end times, it's obviously important to God and since the Bible is for man, then it is important for us. If we are in the end times and these prophecies continue to increase, I'm hoping that any who are open and searching may be convinced by the continuous end times fulfillments. If we're not in the end times, that would be "my" misunderstanding, not the Bible's or God's. I still have provided enough on other topics that show strong support for God and the Bible. But if we are in the end times and I believe we are, it may be time to wake up to what is going on.

Since you are being polite, please understand that what I say next isn't meant to offend and if it does, I honestly didn't mean it.

I don't care if you pass judgement on me at all. Feel free to think I'm a sinner. It really doesn't offend me in the slightest. It means about as much to me as being called a goblin, witch, or some other mythical beast. I don't believe in any of these end of times prophecies. It think those and religion in general are all superstitious hocus pocus. If someone tells me I'll go to hell for my sins, I really couldn't give a hoot because I don't believe in hell or the concept of repenting to any God.

Also, we aren't in the end of times. We've been there before supposedly, in 2012 or in a lesser form with Y2K and yet...here we are. If the world ends, it won't have anything to do with any God. It will have everything to do with stupid humans bringing nuclear war and ending us (possibly because of religious beliefs, if you want to be ironic).

And you know what? If I'm wrong and the world ends in some horrible way, the last thing I'll be thinking about as fire engulfs me is "Gee, that religious dude I met on Superhero Hype that one time was right!"

 

[chaseter]

Rod...give up all your worldly belongings and live a poor man's life like Jesus said to do. That way, you can't love the world and fall prey to sin but instead be closer to God.

Mathew 19:21, Luke 18:22

Lets see you follow up on that one by telling me how I am a sinner. I wonder how many righteous Christians have 2 cars, a nice house, money in the bank, go to Starbucks, etc etc.

 

[Alex_Spider]

^^

 

[KevanG]

Rod, I've read several of your links and most of what they say is pure supposition and wordplay when it comes to trying to link science to the bible. It's like trying to force dinosaurs into the bible when all they mention is a behemoth and that fossilization would take less than 6000 years due to the flood. Anyone with even a basic grasp of any of the sciences involved (Geology, Archeology) could tell you that is utter nonsense and in most cases flat out impossible. Even just an hour looking through various books or websites could show you numerous sources and information that would give enough information to form different conclusions than what is attempted to be portrayed.

As for the fossils themselves, unless there's a passage in the bible about god trolling everybody with various giant lizard bones in the ground then the flood forcing fossilization to occur at a far more rapid pace than is possible is bunk.

 

[The End]

As per Job 9:8, you don't have to accept my position. But I have provided it and whether or not it is correct (yes, I believe it is and showed why), it hasn't been done away with.

I've shown you that its a massive leap in logic and that there are other interpretations that don't require as many assumptions. Basic logic.

The "you can't prove me wrong" point you make is an argument from ignorance.

 

[MrsKent26]

The "you can't prove me wrong" point you make is an argument from ignorance.

I'd say there's some denial, years of self-conditioning and "doublethink" in there too.

 

[SV Fan]

What you people need is another Space Race.

Personally I think what they need to do is try find a way to get a (unmanned) rocket as fast as possible from here to mars. Once you figure that out, you probably will kickstart alternate energy ideas.

 

[redhawk23]

Personally I think what they need to do is try find a way to get a (unmanned) rocket as fast as possible from here to mars. Once you figure that out, you probably will kickstart alternate energy ideas.

I mean, as far as unmanned rockets to mars go, several countries have been doing that every few years for a couple of decades now.

 

[rodhulk]

Since you are being polite, please understand that what I say next isn't meant to offend and if it does, I honestly didn't mean it.

I don't care if you pass judgement on me at all. Feel free to think I'm a sinner. It really doesn't offend me in the slightest. It means about as much to me as being called a goblin, witch, or some other mythical beast. I don't believe in any of these end of times prophecies. It think those and religion in general are all superstitious hocus pocus. If someone tells me I'll go to hell for my sins, I really couldn't give a hoot because I don't believe in hell or the concept of repenting to any God.

Also, we aren't in the end of times. We've been there before supposedly, in 2012 or in a lesser form with Y2K and yet...here we are. If the world ends, it won't have anything to do with any God. It will have everything to do with stupid humans bringing nuclear war and ending us (possibly because of religious beliefs, if you want to be ironic).

And you know what? If I'm wrong and the world ends in some horrible way, the last thing I'll be thinking about as fire engulfs me is "Gee, that religious dude I met on Superhero Hype that one time was right!"

The end times are a generation (Matthew 24:34) and should be a several decade event. And it's everybody's choice on what they believe. I know you said you don't believe in God but I believe everything is possible and perhaps through a bit of time, who knows...

Rod...give up all your worldly belongings and live a poor man's life like Jesus said to do. That way, you can't love the world and fall prey to sin but instead be closer to God.

Mathew 19:21, Luke 18:22

Lets see you follow up on that one by telling me how I am a sinner. I wonder how many righteous Christians have 2 cars, a nice house, money in the bank, go to Starbucks, etc etc.

I agree, many Christians are very worldy and perhaps some may not even be saved. Judgment is up to God. But owning things is not a sin. It's what you do with it and how you enjoy it and perhaps even how much you have that is a sin. For example, if a Christian owns treasures but doesn't share, that is wrong. See 1 John 3:17 and Luke 3:10-11.

Rod, I've read several of your links and most of what they say is pure supposition and wordplay when it comes to trying to link science to the bible. It's like trying to force dinosaurs into the bible when all they mention is a behemoth and that fossilization would take less than 6000 years due to the flood. Anyone with even a basic grasp of any of the sciences involved (Geology, Archeology) could tell you that is utter nonsense and in most cases flat out impossible. Even just an hour looking through various books or websites could show you numerous sources and information that would give enough information to form different conclusions than what is attempted to be portrayed.

As for the fossils themselves, unless there's a passage in the bible about god trolling everybody with various giant lizard bones in the ground then the flood forcing fossilization to occur at a far more rapid pace than is possible is bunk.

I do like it that you said "most" is supposition and wordplay.... meaning the Bible got some correct. Really, word-for-word, all the links I gave could be the literal truth and the scripture quotes I gave also, word-for-word, really do say what the basic idea of the science facts/theories say. Sure you can throw in any interpretation or whatever you want, I mentioned before that pretty much anything can be chewed apart if someone really wants to... but if one is honest, then nothing that I have mentioned thus far has shown to be factually wrong.

I've shown you that its a massive leap in logic and that there are other interpretations that don't require as many assumptions. Basic logic.

The "you can't prove me wrong" point you make is an argument from ignorance.

You haven't shown me any interpretations that don't require as many assumptions that you say I am using, you've just shown me what you ended your post with, "ignorance" to the word of God.

I'd say there's some denial, years of self-conditioning and "doublethink" in there too.

I think the same could be said of evolutionists.

 

[Feenix]

I think the same could be said of evolutionists.

You think, but you would be wrong.

 

[MrsKent26]

I think the same could be said of evolutionists.

It couldn't. Evolution is based on evidence and if something is proven false by evidence, it is disregarded. Science seeks to find the truth, rather than claim something as truth for as long as people will believe it. It changes with the evidence in an effort to arrive at the truth.

 

[Doctor Evo]

It couldn't. Evolution is based on evidence and if something is proven false by evidence, it is disregarded. Science seeks to find the truth, rather than claim something as truth for as long as people will believe it. It changes with the evidence in an effort to arrive at the truth.

I think rodhulk has made it abundantly clear that he understands very little, if anything at all, about science and the principles upon which it functions. What's worse is that he doesn't seem willing to make the slightest effort to correct this deficiency. There's a combination of laziness and denial at work here that appears insurmountable.

The biggest problem I've noticed is the failure to recognize that his arguments hinge upon statements and assumptions that are unfalsifiable - yet he constantly demands falsification, and treats the failure to provide it as some sort of victory, all the while unaware that this does not constitute support for his position. It's really quite fascinating.

 

[KevanG]

I do like it that you said "most" is supposition and wordplay.... meaning the Bible got some correct. Really, word-for-word, all the links I gave could be the literal truth and the scripture quotes I gave also, word-for-word, really do say what the basic idea of the science facts/theories say. Sure you can throw in any interpretation or whatever you want, I mentioned before that pretty much anything can be chewed apart if someone really wants to... but if one is honest, then nothing that I have mentioned thus far has shown to be factually wrong.

The only things that I've agreed with are the parts that are observable in nature. None of what you've posted beyond those have had anything of any scientific basis. What the bible got correct was just things that anyone could see and verify for thousands of years without any type of 'extra' insight into the workings of the universe. Basic math, sciences and such that anyone could have figured out given the same resources and time building on what was already known.

If you take out all the religious aspects of the bible, odd reasoning I know, and just leave in anything that could be worked in with various sciences then you might get a page or two out of the whole thing. That's all and I'd be willing to bet that all of that is pure observation worked with extrapolating the information into a religious context.

Just curious but do you hold to the young earth theory with it being between 6000-10,000 years old or are you fine with the universe being billions of years old? Also, how do you feel about cavemen and such when we have records of various caves and other habitats that have been found that show not only to have previous states of evolution, such as neanderthal and cro-magnon but also that we can chart that evolution through tens of thousands of years with physical evidence including said habitats but also skeletons of adults and children that clearly show change over time into what we are today?

 

[MrsKent26]

I think rodhulk has made it abundantly clear that he understands very little, if anything at all, about science and the principles upon which it functions. What's worse is that he doesn't seem willing to make the slightest effort to correct this deficiency. There's a combination of laziness and denial at work here that appears insurmountable.

The biggest problem I've noticed is the failure to recognize that his arguments hinge upon statements and assumptions that are unfalsifiable - yet he constantly demands falsification, and treats the failure to provide it as some sort of victory, all the while unaware that this does not constitute support for his position. It's really quite fascinating.

It really is fascinating. He just doesn't get it. Not even a little bit.

Although, I reckon he feels the same about us considering we don't think the Bible is absolute truth and proves God's existence simply by existing itself.