Yeah, I think they're all fine and quite comparable to each other in quality. There's certainly no consensus that IM & TIH are better than the others as a result of less Avengers talk so it should remain an opinion only. For one thing I wish TBN's camping-it-up scenes had been replaced with a bit of Avengers talk by anyone else.
Wanting a film about an individual character to focus primarily on his current journey doesn't make me "stubborn". Iron Man & TIH (before the bad editing) were able to successfully tell the stories of their respective characters without compromising the quality of that storytelling in favor of setting up a years-away sequel/cross-over. When I'm watching Captain America, all I'm concerned about is Captain America. I don't care about what he'll be doing next summer. I care about what he's doing here & now. Its not mandatory to support the idea of the cross-over. This is exactly why Jon Favreau walked away from the Iron Man franchise. He realized Marvel was only interested in making 2-hour trailers to future films. Favreau pretty much made Marvel with his very solid Iron Man film, so for them to interfere with his plan to make Iron Man movies about Iron Man, was a perfect omen for him to step out. Notice how we haven't gotten a Marvel Studios movie as good or financially succesful since Iron Man.
My favorite is Thor followed by Cap and then IM and TIH.
Iron Man just isn't a character I can really love, I don't know why... the main reason I like the movies is because of RDJ. Thor on the other hand, I loved everything about the movie. It's truly a franchise I could get behind 100%. Superman, Thor and Spidey will no doubt be my big 3 franchises in the coming years.
Couldn't you make the same argument about the Potter series? Each movie has its own plot and story but let's face it, each one was just another step to try to get to the end when Voldemort returns.
Couldn't you make the same argument about the Potter series? Each movie has its own plot and story but let's face it, each one was just another step to try to get to the end when Voldemort returns.
Spider-Man 2 focuses way too much on romance and it's too gooey. The Spider-Man series as a whole is too cheesy for me and not the Spider-Man series the fans deserve. Batman Begins is also not as good as I first realized. It's the most boring superhero movie ever and also had it's share of corny moments, although it did have good storytelling.
Spider-Man 2 focuses way too much on romance and it's too gooey. The Spider-Man series as a whole is too cheesy for me and not the Spider-Man series the fans deserve. Batman Begins is also not as good as I first realized. It's the most boring superhero movie ever and also had it's share of corny moments, although it did have good storytelling.
I used to love both movies, but recently watched both again after a long time and they are definitely not the movies I remember. Look, I gave them both 6.8 which is basically a 7, I just don't like them as much as everybody else.
I used to love both movies, but recently watched both again after a long time and they are definitely not the movies I remember. Look, I gave them both 6.8 which is basically a 7, I just don't like them as much as everybody else.
I think all the ones that you listed are success stories on the whole despite whatever weaknesses they might have. Different people may rank them differently but I'm thankful we've got so many good films to choose from and many more with potential on the way!
I actually agree with with BobbyCorwin88, regarding Cap and Thor, although I'd change the wording a little. It's not that they weren't risky adaptations to make, but it seemed they were trying to do to many things at once, so they cut certain corners where they could. For me, the biggest downside in both Cap and Thor is the pacing, which I would attribute to the filmic pressures before Avengers. If you compare them both to Iron Man, in IM, Favreau and RDJ completely took their time with the film. They gave a good 1 1/2 hours before he wears the IM suit, and even then, we only see him wear it here and there. Sure, people think it suffered as a film because of things like poor boss fight or not enough action, but it put character first and foremost, which has always been Marvels MO, and they did it best in IM. Cap starts off with very much the same approach, they really take their time with Steve Rogers story. But when he saves the POW's, from there onwards it just takes a bizarre pacing shift. The whole Howling Commando's montage just messes with everything. Sure it was cool to see some action, but they go from a montage, to a bizarrely placed
death of Bucky, that should have had WAY more emotional weight behind it
to a rushed final confrontation. Then, when Cap is about to meet his end, it suddently reconnects with the heart.
I think there are various things that Marvel need to be careful of, and I've thought about this a lot over the last week. With the hype of Avengers looming overhead, they have to make sure that post Avengers, it doesn't seem like the indivudual characters aren't as interesting on their own as they are as a team. When they go back to the sequels, post Avengers, I hope they really have the patience to take their time with the characters stories. They wont have an Avengers film to hype towards, there won't be the same pressures, I really hope they don't rush things. Because at the moment, I'm actually starting to get sick of the Avengers hype. Don't get me wrong, I'm pumped for it, but for the last 3 Marvel films, by the time you leave the cinema, you end up being more excited for whatever future project that was teased than the actual film you just saw, and Cap definitely made me think more about Avengers than his film. In fact, by the end, it felt more like a direct Avengers prequel than it's own thing.
Anyway, I still enjoyed them, but I just feel like Marvel has gotten used to using the unique nature of the MCU as a bit of a safetly blanket. Hopefully Avengers can shake up the format somewhat.
Seeing as we're on the topic of comparing films, I gotta say that TIH is probably my favorite. The first time I saw it, I was actually kind of bored and that's probably how most of the general audience felt, however after seeing it a second time I could truly appreciate the attention to detail that was put into it, the artistic quality of the scenery, the interesting story it told and of course Edward Nortan's great performance made me love this film. I'm really disappointed that Edward Norton won't be returning. I find the character of Bruce Banner to be more compelling than the other characters and The Hulk has become one of my favorite of Marvel's properties. I really want to get a sequel.
The Iron Man films come in second, the first film was awesome, I don't see how any Iron Man film could not like that film. The second is not quite as good but I still enjoy it, I find that much like TIH, it's better the second time around.
Captain America was also a great film, I think that the real appeal of the movie is the story of Steve Rogers and his story of an underdog rising to victory. I love Chris Evans in this film, he did a great job. I have only one complaint:
Bucky's death, it could have been more climactic, I would have liked it if he joined Cap aboard The Red Skull's plane. Maybe he sacrifices his life to stop a nuke or something.
Thor was alright, I wasn't that crazy about it, but I'm not much of a Thor fan so I'm not going to be too mad about it. The Thor fans seem to love it and if they're happy then I'm happy. I did find Darcy annoying and I thought that Thor should have spent more time on earth. The ending could have been better too, I though Thor would get stuck on earth, but we'll see how they conclude it in The Avengers.
I actually agree with with BobbyCorwin88, regarding Cap and Thor, although I'd change the wording a little. It's not that they weren't risky adaptations to make, but it seemed they were trying to do to many things at once, so they cut certain corners where they could. For me, the biggest downside in both Cap and Thor is the pacing, which I would attribute to the filmic pressures before Avengers. If you compare them both to Iron Man, in IM, Favreau and RDJ completely took their time with the film. They gave a good 1 1/2 hours before he wears the IM suit, and even then, we only see him wear it here and there. Sure, people think it suffered as a film because of things like poor boss fight or not enough action, but it put character first and foremost, which has always been Marvels MO, and they did it best in IM. Cap starts off with very much the same approach, they really take their time with Steve Rogers story. But when he saves the POW's, from there onwards it just takes a bizarre pacing shift. The whole Howling Commando's montage just messes with everything. Sure it was cool to see some action, but they go from a montage, to a bizarrely placed
death of Bucky, that should have had WAY more emotional weight behind it
to a rushed final confrontation. Then, when Cap is about to meet his end, it suddently reconnects with the heart.
I think there are various things that Marvel need to be careful of, and I've thought about this a lot over the last week. With the hype of Avengers looming overhead, they have to make sure that post Avengers, it doesn't seem like the indivudual characters aren't as interesting on their own as they are as a team. When they go back to the sequels, post Avengers, I hope they really have the patience to take their time with the characters stories. They wont have an Avengers film to hype towards, there won't be the same pressures, I really hope they don't rush things. Because at the moment, I'm actually starting to get sick of the Avengers hype. Don't get me wrong, I'm pumped for it, but for the last 3 Marvel films, by the time you leave the cinema, you end up being more excited for whatever future project that was teased than the actual film you just saw, and Cap definitely made me think more about Avengers than his film. In fact, by the end, it felt more like a direct Avengers prequel than it's own thing.
Anyway, I still enjoyed them, but I just feel like Marvel has gotten used to using the unique nature of the MCU as a bit of a safetly blanket. Hopefully Avengers can shake up the format somewhat.
It was the opposite for me, I had already seen the Avengers teaser online a million times beforehand so it didn't excite me as it did the first few times, but the Captain America movie left me in awe. It was the perfect superhero movie, and by that I don't mean it was a perfect movie, but it was without a doubt IMO the perfect superhero movie. This is now the template at which superhero movies should be made instead of TDK, which was a better movie I'll admit.
Marvel Studios' biggest mistake to date was the way they handled marketing for TIH. For starters, they never shoulda released it in '08. They squashed it in between two titans, and to add insult to injury tried to use the success of Iron Man to increase its numbers by throwing Tony in before the credits - even marketing that scene in TV spots (that scene was the main reason critics went after it). Had Marvel released the film in '09, actually informed people that a new Hulk movie was coming out, kept Tony's scene after the credits and added the footage that was removed, TIH woulda been the best reviewed and most profitable film that summer. Marvel had nothing that year.
Marvel Studios' biggest mistake to date was the way they handled marketing for TIH. For starters, they never shoulda released it in '08. They squashed it in between two titans, and to add insult to injury tried to use the success of Iron Man to increase its numbers by throwing Tony in before the credits - even marketing that scene in TV spots (that scene was the main reason critics went after it). Had Marvel released the film in '09, actually informed people that a new Hulk movie was coming out, kept Tony's scene after the credits and added the footage that was removed, TIH woulda been the best reviewed and most profitable film that summer. Marvel had nothing that year.
You don't honestly believe that do you? I'm sure it would have had better box office success had it been marketed better, but not that much more, and the reviews would have been exactly the same.
Marvel Studios' biggest mistake to date was the way they handled marketing for TIH. For starters, they never shoulda released it in '08. They squashed it in between two titans, and to add insult to injury tried to use the success of Iron Man to increase its numbers by throwing Tony in before the credits - even marketing that scene in TV spots (that scene was the main reason critics went after it). Had Marvel released the film in '09, actually informed people that a new Hulk movie was coming out, kept Tony's scene after the credits and added the footage that was removed, TIH woulda been the best reviewed and most profitable film that summer. Marvel had nothing that year.
I love TIH with the exception of TBN who took me out of the film a little. I agree, TIH was at the disadvantage of coming after Hulk so its position was a bit confusing and the relatively limp marketing did not do a good job of clearing it up. My point is that the box office doesn't prove the original point you made (about IM being the best) as you have just illustrated (in the case of Hulk) how box office can be circumstantial and affected by other factors outside of a movie's quality. Another example, Iron Man 2 made pretty much the same as IM but the reasons are completely different and again box office is not the best indicator of quality.
Would you rather see the majority of future superhero movies to be like The Dark Knight (Gritty, realistic, thought provoking) or Captain America? (Adventurous, fun, heartwarming). So when I say Captain America is the template, I mean I want to see the majority of future superhero movies to be adventurous, fun, and heartwarming the way Cap was.
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