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[BigThor]

Alexei is Captain America and Kevin Feige is his Red Skull.

 

[Xeno]

I loved the ending to TFA personally because it was so bittersweet. Bucky's fate could've been done better, but that was pretty much my only major nitpick with TFA, which I loved, probably as much as IM.

I thought CA:TFA's ending was perfect. It had all of the poignancy one would expect given Steve Rogers fate. There was a man who willingly gave his life to save millions of others, only to awaken in the future, alive but having lost everyone and everything he loved. It was a very powerful moment, and the perfect note on which to end that chapter of Cap's story.

 

[TheVileOne]

Suzanne, I know people that worked on IM2. After hearing their experiences on-set, of how Feige terrorizingly micro-managed Favreau, I pretty much made up my mind about the guy. Not to mention, I was hearing about that behavior as the film was being made, so imagine my reaction after watching IM2 a year later. The decline in quality couldn't be more evident. It really wasn't Favreau's film, and I wasn't at all surprised when he walked away from his own franchise.

So how did he terrorizingly micro-manage the film?

And if he walked away from the franchise, why did he come back to executive produce Avengers?

 

[Wade Garrett]

Good call herolee, I just went back and looked at that scene. I think its Black Widow, unless someone else on the team wears black pump boots, maybe it has something to do with her? I unno just guessing.

 

[Wade Garrett]

Or he could just get mad about being thrown through a window haha

 

[Herolee10]

I thought CA:TFA's ending was perfect. It had all of the poignancy one would expect given Steve Rogers fate. There was a man who willingly gave his life to save millions of others, only to awaken in the future, alive but having lost everyone and everything he loved. It was a very powerful moment, and the perfect note on which to end that chapter of Cap's story.

Which is something that I look forward towards seeing explored in the Avengers. By all accounts, we've heard them saying on how bitter and Cynical Steve is going to be compared to what he was like in his solo film, and rightfully so.

I mean, out of everyone else in his group who have love interests of their own, he's the only one who can't get back together with his loved ones or his romantic partner. Tony is taken, Thor and Bruce can easily reunite with their romantic partners, but Steve, not so much, and all of this is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

I liked how Chris Hemmsworth said in a interview a long time ago on how he sees all of these guys being very lonely people in some ways, and it should be great to see on how these guys learn to trust each other and find some sort of dysfunctional family within each other by the end of the film.

 

[Marvel]

Well, since nothing Marvel or Kevin Feige has done as a solo studio has been less than 8/10 quality, I'd say he's doing his job quite nicely.

The only error that I see that he's made (as has been mentioned here) is that he and the powers that be forced a cut of Incredible Hulk when they shouldn't have fearing another Ang Lee mess. Watching those deleted scenes of IH breaks my heart. He took a 10/10 masterpiece and cut it to an 8/10 film for no reason because the box office was not boosted by cutting that character development. Plus, we all know that helped drive Ed Norton away.

I think Feige knows he really screwed up and has learned from that mistake.

Cap & Thor turned out great and the deleted scenes from Thor should have all been cut. Listen to the director's commentary, there is no indication of micro-managing anything.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

So how did he terrorizingly micro-manage the film? And if he walked away from the franchise, why did he come back to executive produce Avengers?

For starters, remember that Favreau made the executive producer deal for Avengers before he shot IM2. I'm expecting his involvement with this film to be minimal. As for Feige's terror on-set, on one occasion he actually got Favreau so upset that they had to walk away from the crew to argue. In the midst of the argument, Favreau actually took off his hat and threw it to the ground. The two then returned to the set - where Favs refused to speak to Feige for the rest of the day. This happened several times during the production. The word most associated with Feige from these people I know who worked on IM2 is "deuchebag". Favreau's apparently the coolest guy though.

 

[Herolee10]

It'd be cool to see if the final battle consisted of ALL of the avengers charging up against a super powered Loki.

Aside from the Fantastic Four films oddly enough...I can't remember a time where I saw a group of heroes all throwing their arsenal at one singular enemy.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

For starters, remember that Favreau made the executive producer deal for Avengers before he shot IM2. I'm expecting his involvement with this film to be minimal. As for Feige's terror on-set, on one occasion he actually got Favreau so upset that they had to walk away from the crew to argue. In the midst of the argument, Favreau actually took off his hat and threw it to the ground. The two then returned to the set - where Favs refused to speak to Feige for the rest of the day. This happened several times during the production. The word most associated with Feige from these people I know who worked on IM2 is "deuchebag". Favreau's apparently the coolest guy though.

Yeah, I don't buy it. You've been railing against Feige for months now, and only NOW is this supposed evidence against him being mentioned?

 

[Chewy]

For starters, remember that Favreau made the executive producer deal for Avengers before he shot IM2. I'm expecting his involvement with this film to be minimal. As for Feige's terror on-set, on one occasion he actually got Favreau so upset that they had to walk away from the crew to argue. In the midst of the argument, Favreau actually took off his hat and threw it to the ground. The two then returned to the set - where Favs refused to speak to Feige for the rest of the day. This happened several times during the production. The word most associated with Feige from these people I know who worked on IM2 is "deuchebag". Favreau's apparently the coolest guy though.

I feel like every time you have this argument about Feige with someone you change your story as to why you hate him

Maybe you could make a Kevin Feige thread? So the rest of us don't have to deal with it next time you want to complain about him, for whatever reason

 

[Chewy]

Yeah, I don't buy it. You've been railing against Feige for months now, and only NOW is this supposed evidence against him being mentioned?

Same time post expressing same thought

Clik mentality must be setting in

 

[Marvel]

For starters, remember that Favreau made the executive producer deal for Avengers before he shot IM2. I'm expecting his involvement with this film to be minimal. As for Feige's terror on-set, on one occasion he actually got Favreau so upset that they had to walk away from the crew to argue. In the midst of the argument, Favreau actually took off his hat and threw it to the ground. The two then returned to the set - where Favs refused to speak to Feige for the rest of the day. This happened several times during the production. The word most associated with Feige from these people I know who worked on IM2 is "deuchebag". Favreau's apparently the coolest guy though.

This is silly talk. It's like a manager or coach arguing with a General Manager. It happens all the time. If you listen to Favs on his IM2 commentary you hear nothing but his creativity but that shoot had to be intense. Feige has the big picture to keep straight and Favs is no Marvel expert. One "micro-managed" moment mentioned was Mickey Rourke has a giant tattoo that says Loki. Feige said that might be considered a bad Easter egg and they needed to remove it in post. I'm sure Favs had better things to worry about and stuff like that frustrated him. That doesn't make Feige wrong. It's just so many things need to be managed on a fast shoot especially when you're tying all these films together.

Feige has done a wonderful job even if the crew thinks he's not a nice guy. Sometimes a leader that gets things done can't be everyone's buddy.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Yeah, I don't buy it. You've been railing against Feige for months now, and only NOW is this supposed evidence against him being mentioned?

You don't have to buy it. It doesn't make a difference about anything. You've convinced yourself that Marvel Studios can do no wrong so you basically choose to ignore any potential tarnish to that ideal image of them that you've created. Also, I brought up the Favreau/Feige IM2 showdowns in the Thor threads a while back. You probably missed them since I'm on your ignore list (or was).

 

[BigThor]

It'd be cool to see if the final battle consisted of ALL of the avengers charging up against a super powered Loki.

Aside from the Fantastic Four films oddly enough...I can't remember a time where I saw a group of heroes all throwing their arsenal at one singular enemy.

That would be cool, but I don't want Loki to be powerful enough to take on ALL the Avengers at once.

I'd save that for someone like Thanos or Ultron, but hey that's just me.

 

[Xeno]

Alexei is Captain America and Kevin Feige is his Red Skull.

It works the other way 'round, too.

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[BigThor]

It works the other way 'round, too.

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Lol, true

 

[Herolee10]

That would be cool, but I don't want Loki to be powerful enough to take on ALL the Avengers at once.

I'd save that for someone like Thanos or Ultron, but hey that's just me.

Well as we saw in "Thor", as himself, Thor could defeat Loki by himself.

However, IF Loki is being charged up by some kind of supernatural item, it wouldn't be hard to believe that even Thor would have the toughest time on challenging him. Heck, the season finale of EMH's demonstrated this effectively.

And if Loki is super charged up for the Avengers; really the only edge that Thor would have at the foreseeable moment would be on how Loki seems to lose his cool when it comes to his brother (Tom said that in a interview).

In any case, whatever Threat Loki poses to Earth (with the aid of one big ass army), it's apparently enough that even Thor and Hulk, for as strong as they are individually, can't defeat it by themselves.

 

[BigThor]

Well as we saw in "Thor", as himself, Thor could defeat Loki by himself.

However, IF Loki is being charged up by some kind of supernatural item, it wouldn't be hard to believe that even Thor would have the toughest time on challenging him. Heck, the season finale of EMH's demonstrated this effectively.

And if Loki is super charged up for the Avengers; really the only edge that Thor would have at the foreseeable moment would be on how Loki seems to lose his cool when it comes to his brother (Tom said that in a interview).

In any case, whatever Threat Loki poses to Earth (with the aid of one big ass army), it's apparently enough that even Thor and Hulk, for as strong as they are individually, can't defeat it by themselves.

Yeah, but I don't think they're gonna be able to focus all of their attention on Loki during an invasion.

It's gonna be a widespread attack so they're not going to be able to be in one spot while chaos ensues elsewhere in the city.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, but I don't think they're gonna be able to focus all of their attention on Loki during an invasion.

It's gonna be a widespread attacks so they're not going to be able to be in one spot while chaos ensues elsewhere in the city.

I'm thinking at the moment that it might the case, where AFTER they've defeated the Armada of invaders and spaceships on Earth, that they all go after Loki, again similar to what happened in EMH's.lol

Heck, right now, I'm just waiting to see Thor put in a position where his life is in danger from an enemy while fully powered.lol

 

[BigThor]

I'm thinking at the moment that it might the case, where AFTER they've defeated the Armada of invaders and spaceships on Earth, that they all go after Loki, again similar to what happened in EMH's.lol

Heck, right now, I'm just waiting to see Thor put in a position where his life is in danger from an enemy while fully powered.lol

I know what you mean, but Loki's not gonna just be "lounging" while they fight off the army, so someone's gonna have to tangle with him during the invasion.

 

[Xeno]

Which is something that I look forward towards seeing explored in the Avengers. By all accounts, we've heard them saying on how bitter and Cynical Steve is going to be compared to what he was like in his solo film, and rightfully so.

I mean, out of everyone else in his group who have love interests of their own, he's the only one who can't get back together with his loved ones or his romantic partner. Tony is taken, Thor and Bruce can easily reunite with their romantic partners, but Steve, not so much, and all of this is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

I liked how Chris Hemmsworth said in a interview a long time ago on how he sees all of these guys being very lonely people in some ways, and it should be great to see on how these guys learn to trust each other and find some sort of dysfunctional family within each other by the end of the film.

Forget about Banner, Steve Rogers really is the lonely man of the Avengers. He had finally found his place in the world and the one woman he could ever relate to, only to lose all of that in an instant. He has every reason to be cynical and disillusioned. Fighting with (and alongside) Howard Stark's charming jerk of a son will only exacerbate Steve's problems adjusting to his new environment.

 

[Herolee10]

Forget about Banner, Steve Rogers really is the lonely man of the Avengers. He had finally found his place in the world and the one woman he could ever relate to, only to lose all of that in an instant. He has every reason to be cynical and disillusioned. Fighting with (and alongside) Howard Stark's charming jerk of a son will only exacerbate Steve's problems adjusting to his new environment.

Well I'd say that Steve and Bruce have their own issues and problems in their life that outweigh those of their fellow teammates (from what we know of so far at least).

Well technically speaking, Peggy isn't dead yet (as confirmed by Johnston and Feige), but yeah, he missed the boat on that one. I wouldn't be surprised if the people that found him recovered the picture of Peggy that he had with him upon crashing into the arctic.

I hope by the film's end, Steve is able to find some type of peace within himself.

 

[BigThor]

Idk about their problems outweighing everyone else's, because in Thor's case having your own brother trying to kill you and enslave the Earth is a hard pill to swallow.

I can't really think of any major problems Tony Star is going to have in this film.

 

[Herolee10]

Idk about their problems outweighing everyone else's, because in Thor's case having your own brother trying to kill you and enslave the Earth is a hard pill to swallow.

I can't really think of any major problems Tony Star is going to have in this film.

Well this is just my own perspective on it of course, but granted, while having to deal with your brother, who has now turned into a full on villain is cause for emotional turmoil, Thor still has the chance for pursuing happiness in the other area of his life, more so in the foreseeable moment than Banner or Rogers.

Thor can easily reunite with Jane once the madness is over; he has great friends and comrades in Asgard, and he's starting to mend his relationship with his dad. His life may not be perfect by any means, but he has a better chance of having happiness AT THE MOMENT when compared to Banner, who has to constantly worry about having the Hulk in him, which prevents him from interacting with most people, let alone with Betty, and Steve was screwed out of his own timeline.