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[sabetoonth]

maybe to US it is just a shell, but to control Destroyer you need and LIVING energy to make it move. A life Force would be one energy. Makes you think since Destroyer was breathing fire that MAYBE that's where Surtur is imprisoned?

In which cse..if SHIELD ever managed to get into it, to quote Volstagg: We're doomed

 

[BigThor]

I would rather the Asgardian Tech stay with Thor's world.

Destroyer comes back several times in the comics. I'd rather the whole destroyer character be left to Thor's movies. UNLESS it's Tony's Thorbuster Armor.

Exactly

 

[Xeno]

In which cse..if SHIELD ever managed to get into it, to quote Volstagg: We're doomed

Why? SHIELD is defending humanity. If they got control of the Destroyer they'd use it to kill aliens and otherwise protect the Earth.


As for the Destroyer's ability to open its visor and blast people, it always had its disintegrator beam in the comics no matter what was animating it. Whenever it opened up Thor & co would get the hell out of Dodge before it blasted them.

 

[MrGreen]

I really hope that in The Avenger's porlogue we see what happened to Justin Hammer, Abomination, The Destroyer and maybe Red Skull. I know that in this comics we kinda saw what happened with Samuel Sterns and Destroyer but not everyone is reading those

 

[sabetoonth]

Why? SHIELD is defending humanity. If they got control of the Destroyer they'd use it to kill aliens and otherwise protect the Earth.


As for the Destroyer's ability to open its visor and blast people, it always had its disintegrator beam in the comics no matter what was animating it. Whenever it opened up Thor & co would get the hell out of Dodge before it blasted them.

Say they opened it. If Surtur is inside isnt that bad? But thats just an entirely hypothetical I dont really think that'd be the case scenario

 

[protocida]

I really hope that in The Avenger's porlogue we see what happened to Justin Hammer, Abomination, The Destroyer and maybe Red Skull. I know that in this comics we kinda saw what happened with Samuel Sterns and Destroyer but not everyone is reading those

Justin Hammer is in jail, the Abomination is under custody of the US Army, The Destroyer is under SHIELD's custody (The only one I could see being revealed in the prologue) and Red Skull is "dead". It doesn't really need to be explained.

 

[Figs]

Justin Hammer is in jail, the Abomination is under custody of the US Army, The Destroyer is under SHIELD's custody (The only one I could see being revealed in the prologue) and Red Skull is "dead". It doesn't really need to be explained.

I thought Red Skull got transported to another dimension like Loki. When he grabbed the Cosmic Cube, above him opened up the galaxy and what looked just like what Loki flew into at the end of Thor.

 

[jaqua99]

I thought Red Skull got transported to another dimension like Loki. When he grabbed the Cosmic Cube, above him opened up the galaxy and what looked just like what Loki flew into at the end of Thor.

As did I

 

[MrGreen]

As did I

Thats why I'm more interested in what happens to Red Skull. He wanted to be a God so maybe he bacame one and was transported to another realm.
As for Abomination, I want him in sequels of Hulk, hopefully with the Leader.

 

[Xeno]

Say they opened it. If Surtur is inside isnt that bad? But thats just an entirely hypothetical I dont really think that'd be the case scenario

When someone's life force is animating the Destroyer they aren't literally inside it. The individual's spirit or essence would power the armor while their physical body lay unconscious. At least, that's my understanding from the comics I read featuring it. If Surtur's essence was used to power it his body would be in whatever realm he was in when his essence was entrapped.


The movie version of the Destroyer wasn't shown to need anyone's life force to power it. It simply seemed to contain its own power source and moved at the behest of Asgard's king. That's not to say that it won't be revealed to have had someone's essence in it, just that we don't know that's how it worked in the film.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Thats why I'm more interested in what happens to Red Skull. He wanted to be a God so maybe he bacame one and was transported to another realm.
As for Abomination, I want him in sequels of Hulk, hopefully with the Leader.

It's somewhat unlikely that we'll get TIH sequels at this point, although that might change depending on how successful THE AVENGERS is, and how well recieved THE HULK is in the movie.

I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed, although the sad reality of it is that THE HULK as a character may not be able to support his own movie franchise with the modern audience.

 

[kedrell]

^Well certainly not if they don't allow him to be a character, which is what they should have known from the beginning.

 

[Shadowlord X]

As did I

Everyone on Earth in the MCU believes the RED SKULL to be dead, so effectively he's dead.

We, the audience, think he was transported to somewhere in the 9 realms.

But realistically he's dead, until a storyline in a future MCU movie shows him to be alive.

 

[Kirmit]

^Well certainly not if they don't allow him to be a character, which is what they should have known from the beginning.

Exactly, the Hulk from the comics, that has been popuar for 50 plus years hasn't been displayed onscreen yet imo.

 

[Weadazoid]

Everyone on Earth in the MCU believes the RED SKULL to be dead, so effectively he's dead.

We, the audience, think he was transported to somewhere in the 9 realms.

But realistically he's dead, until a storyline in a future MCU movie shows him to be alive.

He is in Svartenhiem having wild sex with dark elven chicks







The Leader is the only one I really care about...... He was actually awsome


He was so much more interesting then Hector Hamond - before the accident so to speak,,,,, I mean clearly a geek but hey he made us all laugh



He could be a very cool villain
yeah thats right I said it

 

[Poni_Boy]

I highly doubt that, Ultron is supposed to be the creation of Hank Pym. I want to keep that if we do indeed see Ultron in future films.

But it makes me wonder, if Loki gets the cube, could he activate the Destroyer?

The Destroyer only responds to the King of Asgard

 

[wobbly]

Exactly, the Hulk from the comics, that has been popuar for 50 plus years hasn't been displayed onscreen yet imo.

Agreed. The old show had an excuse for that version, but the 2 films so far have not. It seems odd to me that for each of the films they took more from the old tv show for the Hulks character (or lack of one as the case most certainly is) than they have from the comics. Then they give up on making another solo flick to work on another tv show? Can't they see the glaringly obvious?

Seriously, if they had done the Hulk right back in 03, or more recently in TIH, they'd have an Iron-Man level hit easily (imo). Hopefully Whedon has the sense to know that the comics are the far better source to look for inspiration than a tv show from 30 years ago. Seems like a no brainer to me but after seeing 2 films make the same basic mistake I dunno...

 

[Poni_Boy]

Justin Hammer is in jail, the Abomination is under custody of the US Army, The Destroyer is under SHIELD's custody (The only one I could see being revealed in the prologue) and Red Skull is "dead". It doesn't really need to be explained.

Everyone on Earth in the MCU believes the RED SKULL to be dead, so effectively he's dead.

We, the audience, think he was transported to somewhere in the 9 realms.

But realistically he's dead, until a storyline in a future MCU movie shows him to be alive.

This.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Agreed. The old show had an excuse for that version, but the 2 films so far have not. It seems odd to me that for each of the films they took more from the old tv show for the Hulks character (or lack of one as the case most certainly is) than they have from the comics. Then they give up on making another solo flick to work on another tv show? Can't they see the glaringly obvious?

Seriously, if they had done the Hulk right back in 03, or more recently in TIH, they'd have an Iron-Man level hit easily (imo). Hopefully Whedon has the sense to know that the comics are the far better source to look for inspiration than a tv show from 30 years ago. Seems like a no brainer to me but after seeing 2 films make the same basic mistake I dunno...

The TV show was fantastic IMO. Before that show Hulk was a secondary character in Marvel canon. Now he's Marvel Studios' only A-lister

The first Hulk film in 2003 is what screwed everything up. Reception of TIH was mostly positive and it made decent money at the BO in spite of the major uphill battle it had to face.

I truly believe if 2003 Hulk hadn't happened and we were only given TIH then it would have been almost as popular as Iron Man 1 and a sequel would have been greenlit immediately

Also, Iron Man was a hit largely due to Robert Downey Jr. Try and picture anyone else in that role. Doesn't work.

 

[Shadowlord X]

He is in Svartenhiem having wild sex with dark elven chicks


Always a good thing!




The Leader is the only one I really care about...... He was actually awsome


He was so much more interesting then Hector Hamond - before the accident so to speak,,,,, I mean clearly a geek but hey he made us all laugh



He could be a very cool villain
yeah thats right I said it

I loved what they did with THE LEADER in Fury's big week.

Most likely we'll never get to see him in all his glory, but I came up with a potential storyline for a TIH sequel. THE LEADER's increased mental capacity causes him to view himself as the most logical choice for planetary leadership and he views THE HULK and the most powerful tool for implementing that leadership. General Ross has been coming into conflict with SHIELD over THE HULK; in effect developing an obsession. THE LEADER contacts Ross to use him to help capture THE HULK. First he developes a technique of imprinting neural scans onto a mass of electrical energy (in effect ZZZAX) but Ross is defeated and then later actually mutates Ross into RED HULK for the final confrontation.

Obviouslt in needs a TON of work, especially as at this point it's lacking the hero's arc, but since the movie is unlikely I'm not going to put more thought into it.

 

[Shadowlord X]

The TV show was fantastic IMO. Before that show Hulk was a secondary character in Marvel canon. Now he's Marvel Studios' only A-lister

The first Hulk film in 2003 is what screwed everything up. Reception of TIH was mostly positive and it made decent money at the BO in spite of the major uphill battle it had to face.
I truly believe if 2003 Hulk hadn't happened and we were only given TIH then it would have been almost as popular as Iron Man 1 and a sequel would have been greenlit immediately

Also, Iron Man was a hit largely due to Robert Downey Jr. Try and picture anyone else in that role. Doesn't work.

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

TIH is a GREAT movie!!! And sooooo deserves a sequel.

 

[Kirmit]

The TV show was fantastic IMO. Before that show Hulk was a secondary character in Marvel canon. Now he's Marvel Studios' only A-lister

The first Hulk film in 2003 is what screwed everything up. Reception of TIH was mostly positive and it made decent money at the BO in spite of the major uphill battle it had to face.

I truly believe if 2003 Hulk hadn't happened and we were only given TIH then it would have been almost as popular as Iron Man 1 and a sequel would have been greenlit immediately

Also, Iron Man was a hit largely due to Robert Downey Jr. Try and picture anyone else in that role. Doesn't work.

No doubt Ang's Hulk affected TIH's success and even though it is my favourite Marvel film, it could of been soo much better had they made the Hulk an actual character instead of just an instigator of action. I won't lie, TIH did disappoint me in this respect, I've been a fan of Hulk the character for as long as I can remember and the fact they had a second attempt to show us that character and overlooked it completely just baffles me.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Agreed. The old show had an excuse for that version, but the 2 films so far have not. It seems odd to me that for each of the films they took more from the old tv show for the Hulks character (or lack of one as the case most certainly is) than they have from the comics. Then they give up on making another solo flick to work on another tv show? Can't they see the glaringly obvious?

Seriously, if they had done the Hulk right back in 03, or more recently in TIH, they'd have an Iron-Man level hit easily (imo). Hopefully Whedon has the sense to know that the comics are the far better source to look for inspiration than a tv show from 30 years ago. Seems like a no brainer to me but after seeing 2 films make the same basic mistake I dunno...

I get the idea from interviews and clips that Joss Whedon has put a lot of thought into what it is about each of the characters that gives them their enduring popularity, and thus has put effort into portraying that onscreen. Hopefully we'll see that come to fruition in the film.

If MARVEL STUDIOS can pace themselves appropriately and take the chance. It might be nice to see JW do a TIH sequel next, then THE AVENGERS.

 

[Shadowlord X]

No doubt Ang's Hulk affected TIH's success and even though it is my favourite Marvel film, it could of been soo much better had they made the Hulk an actual character instead of just an instigator of action. I won't lie, TIH did disappoint me in this respect, I've been a fan of Hulk the character for as long as I can remember and the fact they had a second attempt to show us that character and overlooked it completely just baffles me.

I think the portrayal of THE HULK in the first movie is as a pure 'id' manifestation. However I think in TIH you start to see the progression of THE HULK manifestation into a real character; I disagree that it was overlooked completely. The existance of the 2003 movie could not be ignored and the train of thought may have been that having as a fully developed character 'all of a sudden' in TIH might have been jarring; I don't know. Thus the slow progression. I think we'll see more of THE HULK as a character in THE AVENGERS, then, if we're really, really, lucky a TIH sequel will have him as the character and fans deserve.

 

[Kirmit]

I think the portrayal of THE HULK in the first movie is as a pure 'id' manifestation. However I think in TIH you start to see the progression of THE HULK manifestation into a real character; I disagree that it was overlooked completely. The existance of the 2003 movie could not be ignored and the train of thought may have been that having as a fully developed character 'all of a sudden' in TIH might have been jarring; I don't know. Thus the slow progression. I think we'll see more of THE HULK as a character in THE AVENGERS, then, if we're really, really, lucky a TIH sequel will have him as the character and fans deserve.

Well really it was, they didn't show us anything of what Hulk was thinking or feeling other than he cared for Betty. Ang's Hulk went OTT on the character developement, to the point of boring the audience, TIH had next to none and ended up as just an actionfest, I love the film but I didn't see the Hulk I grew up loving, my hopes rest on Joss getting it right.