The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-section 12

[Rock Sexton]

If Hawkeye could go toe-to-toe with Gods or super powered heroes, I would LOLZ ..... IMO on screen he's better seen as support, a second tier guy helping the team from more of a distance.

 

[steintym]

I agree, I don't think anything has been confirmed for the Avengers. There's been speculation about Loki, the Hulk, Skrulls, Hydra, etc. I don't believe anything has been, though.

Has there been any confirmation?

 

[Blader5489]

Deadline confirmed that Tom Hiddleston will be in The Avengers in the same press release announcing Cobie Smulders' involvement.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

So it's still all assumption, just because he's on the cast list doesn't make him the big bad. (even though it's likely)

I think he'll be controlling something or someone or many people because he's too weak after Thor or something. IF he is in it as the big bad.

 

[NickNitro]

Id love to see a skrull invasion for Avengers(or the beginnings of one), OR Loki pulling strings of other Marvel Villians.... In Earths mightiest heros (which is by far the best cartoon Ive seen in about 10 years) its been a great watch showing Loki in the background masterminding these random villians of the Avengers Past to play in a bigger roll for the films.

But as the infinity gauntlet and cosmic cube are confirmed I think Thanos would be awesome. Unless im horribly wrong is its been confirmed Thanos wont be the big baddy.

 

[steintym]

I get the impression from Iron Man 1 & 2 that there's already a threat developing that Shield is aware of and that's why they're starting to round up heros. I just wonder if this might be Skrulls, Hydra, etc.

The growing threat (Skrulls/Hydra/whatever) could develop during the course of the movie and actually be the jump off point for a sequel.

A second storyline would involve Loki masterminding a plot of revenge against Thor which also involves the other Avengers.

 

[Hurm...]

Maybe Hydra is on the brink of doing something so detrimental that it will offset another World War? We could get tension like the Cold War, similar to Watchmen, if done right. But it is revealed that Loki has a massive hand in manipulating Hydra's actions.

 

[Iceman]

Loki controlling a stable of villains/armies or Skrulls/Hydra. I don't mind who the villain(s) is/are as long as he's/they're BIG enough to justify waking up Cap, disturbing a Thunder God & stopping Stark from partying.

 

[Blader5489]

TIH's ending already said as much that Fury is putting the Avengers together to bring in the Hulk.

HYDRA doing something is also likely, but the Hulk is obviously going to be a major reason (if not the only reason) why the Avengers are being assembled in the first place.

 

[Spider-Vader]

If Hawkeye could go toe-to-toe with Gods or super powered heroes, I would LOLZ ..... IMO on screen he's better seen as support, a second tier guy helping the team from more of a distance.

How would he be different than Cap? Cap's just at the top of human fitness, by your logic it seems that only IM, Thor & Hulk should have a shot at the villains.

 

[BizarroAids]

I don't get all the "Hawkeye doesn't stand a chance" talk. He's an expert marksman/archer, he can hold his own. I don't think they would put him on the team if he wasn't at the top of his game.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I would like to think this film will be more complex in it's narrative than just ending with everyone punching on with Loki or another main villain. Look at films like TDK, where conflict and intrigue can be created without just having a giant fight scene.

People like Loki or Red Skull aren't villains who rely on brute strenth, they strategise and organise elaborate plans. I imagine if they launch some kind of attack on The Avengers or SHIELD it will be more than a frontal assault and is more likely to be a complex and layered plan, strategically attempting to take out each potential threat. A character like Hawkeye or Black Widow could be crucial then because like in the comics, the heavy hitters get targeted first but the supporting characters get underestimated.

 

[BigThor]

1. It's not been confirmed that Loki is the villain in the Avengers. That is speculation and an educated guess. Loki may oversee some kind of plot but never fight in the film. (If it has been confirmed pleeeease direct me to your source as i can't believe i missed it!)

2.

Spoiler

According to the script of Thor, Loki falls wherever after the Rainbow bridge is destroyed. Who is to say that Loki's power drops (or raises) tremendously when he 'vanishes'. Therefore he may not be as strong (or he could be stronger) if he does even show in the Avengers.

Hiddeston has been confirmed to reprise his role as Loki in The Avengers by Deadline.com.

Spoiler

You have a good point about Loki's power level potentially rising or lowering. I already knew about him falling in the blackhole, but I hadn't thought about his power level changing, nice one

 

[BigThor]

BT - Sounds like you might crap a brick if Hawkeye lands the final blow or officially ends the final conflict in the movie. t:

In all seriousness, you should check out some stories with Hawkeye. He's actually a pretty cool character and has been a huge part of Avengers' history. I know that's not what you were arguing, but you should check him out.

Yeah today I've started reading up on Hawkeye a bit, and he is a pretty likeable character.

Personally I would rather see the Big Three combine to land the final blow, but if Hawkeye does I would be fine with that (I've seen far worse).

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm proud of you BT. No sarcasm here at all. Some people on here would rather rubbish a character and refuse to actually read their stuff than actually find out about a character for themselves. I'm glad to see you're not one of those people

 

[BigThor]

Thanks, yeah I know I can seem like "one of those guys" from time to time, but you'll come to find that when it's all said and done...I'm actually not.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Good to know

 

[BigThor]

Indeed

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Indubitably.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I don't get all the "Hawkeye doesn't stand a chance" talk. He's an expert marksman/archer, he can hold his own. I don't think they would put him on the team if he wasn't at the top of his game.

That's why he's best suited behind the front lines. Similar to when you watch war movies in more dated time periods, the archers and marksman are always in the back.

 

[Rock Sexton]

How would he be different than Cap? Cap's just at the top of human fitness, by your logic it seems that only IM, Thor & Hulk should have a shot at the villains.

Wait, one is the pinnacle of humans (almost super strength-esque) and the other is "just a marksman" ...... Not even comparing apples to apples.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well, if I recall, Cap personally trained Hawkeye in many instances.

Also, Cap might be physically perfect, but the Cap in the MCU, no matter how skilled and adept, won't have had as much experience as someone with years of black ops experience etc. Not saying one is clearly better than the other, but they should compliment each other pretty well.

For the ensemble nature of the movie to work, each character should feel quite evenly capable in their own way, regardless of what powers each person has. They all play a crucial role.

 

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

Wait, one is the pinnacle of humans (almost super strength-esque) and the other is "just a marksman" ...... Not even comparing apples to apples.

There's nothing "just" or "only" about Hawkeye's marksmanship.

 

[SuperSAINT]

Not sure if they are going to run a story on it (And I know, we've heard it already) but this probably confirms it

Latinoreview Mark Ruffalo has confirmed that the HULK will be motion captured like AVATAR! A real actor will be playing the HULK.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Wasn't that more or less how they did it in TIH anyway, with Ed Norton providing facial animations etc? Oh wait no, I forgot, from now on it has to be pointed out it's like 'AVATAR!'