The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-section 12

[Whiskey Tango]

Ultimates Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 were pretty good, actually.

I loved 'em. They sure did go downhill in a hurry after that though.

 

[Aztec]

I hope not, there's nothing good in the Ultimates.

As others have said, Ultimates 1 & 2 are fantastic. Buy the hardcover omnibus IMHO.

Let's not even discuss what came after Ultimates 2...

 

[Majik1387]

Ultimates Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 were pretty good, actually.

As others have said, Ultimates 1 & 2 are fantastic. Buy the hardcover omnibus IMHO.

I didn't care for those at all. It was all just crap to me that just got worse.

Agreed. It looks like there are only superficial links to the Ultimates, which is just as well. A poor man's Watchmen in my opinion.

Eh, I don't see too much Ultimate based appearances other than Fury and a bit of Cap.

 

[cupidboy]

Just find some brand-new concept art seemed made by the movie designer. Is there anyone who could confirm these pictures are legit now?

http://www.kinopoisk.ru/level/13/film/263531/adv_type/concept/

 

[Son of Coul]

I think those were confirmed to be fan-concepts by the creator a couple days back. You can kinda tell anyways.

 

[Hurm...]

I'm pretty sure RealIronMan dismissed those as being fan made. Cool nonetheless!

 

[The Infernal]

Eh, I don't see too much Ultimate based appearances other than Fury and a bit of Cap.

That's why I said superficial.

Just find some brand-new concept art seemed made by the movie designer. Is there anyone who could confirm these pictures are legit now?

http://www.kinopoisk.ru/level/13/film/263531/adv_type/concept/

Yeah, those are fan made. Check a page or two back, they were posted already. It's all there.

 

[BigThor]

Besides, realistically how many super-powered beings will the Avengers be fighting at one time in the film? They don't need anymore super-powered beings really, a skilled, trained specialist such as Hawkeye could be extremely useful for many tactical situations, just like Black Widow was in Iron Man 2. Sure she wasn't using martial arts to fight giant robots, thats what Iron Man and War Machine were for, but she was still pretty useful.

I believe I was just talking about the final battle in the Avengers film since it is most likely going to be against a super powered being. I know that Black Widow and Hawkeye are very useful, I was just saying that in the final battle they should be should be doing something else besides battling the main villains, similar to what Black Widow did in IM2.

I'm not saying "Oh they don't have powers so they shouldn't take part in any of the battles in the film" or anything. I was just saying that they should play their roles in battle which is quite different from Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Just find some brand-new concept art seemed made by the movie designer. Is there anyone who could confirm these pictures are legit now?

http://www.kinopoisk.ru/level/13/film/263531/adv_type/concept/

yeah those are from a guy TRYING to get a job on the film... not actually on the film

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I believe I was just talking about the final battle in the Avengers film since it is most likely going to be against a super powered being. I know that Black Widow and Hawkeye are very useful, I was just saying that in the final battle they should be should be doing something else besides battling the main villains, similar to what Black Widow did in IM2.

I'm not saying "Oh they don't have powers so they shouldn't take part in any of the battles in the film" or anything. I was just saying that they should play their roles in battle which is quite different from Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk.

that's not what you were saying originally at all lol. You were saying "how can people like hawkeye and blackwidow go up against a villain like loki?" and came off as if you felt they were useless

 

[BigThor]

that's not what you were saying originally at all lol. You were saying "how can people like hawkeye and blackwidow go up against a villain like loki?" and came off as if you felt they were useless

And guess what? Loki is going to a major villain so that IS what I was saying.

Saying they wouldn't be a good match for Loki isn't saying they'll be useless, it's saying they'll be useless fighting against extremely powerful villains like Loki (I'm not the first person on here to say that btw).

 

[Spider-Vader]

That fanart is pretty damn cool. It actually makes me think we can get something close to Hawkeye's classic costume on the big-screen.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And guess what? Loki is going to a major villain so that IS what I was saying.

Saying they wouldn't be a good match for Loki isn't saying they'll be useless, it's saying they'll be useless fighting against extremely powerful villains like Loki (I'm not the first person on here to say that btw).

no but it's still a moronic statement. the team all at once wont be attacking Loki in a physical fight. (loki and thor alone are even matches.... throw in hulk, ironman, and cap and loki alone could not handle them all at once...) But... if Hulk is under his control, and Loki summons an army of frost giants and trolls...or turns the team against each other... then yes. Yes everyone plays pivotal roles... and allows everyone to take down loki and whatever plan he's doing.

 

[BizarroAids]

And guess what? Loki is going to a major villain so that IS what I was saying.

Saying they wouldn't be a good match for Loki isn't saying they'll be useless, it's saying they'll be useless fighting against extremely powerful villains like Loki (I'm not the first person on here to say that btw).

Hawkeye's been fighting extremely powerful villains since the 60's. The dude knows how to throw down on his own.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Eh, I don't see too much Ultimate based appearances other than Fury and a bit of Cap.

the appearances are all mostly 616, but SHIELD putting together the Avengers in the first place is all Ultimate. and all stupid.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

the appearances are all mostly 616, but SHIELD putting together the Avengers in the first place is all Ultimate. and all stupid.

well... to be honest i think realistically the SHIELD way of putting them together makes more sense... i think most these heroes would have trouble finding each other.. or wanting to be around each other otherwise.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Also, that was one of the best things about the Ultimates, there was a great set up to them becoming 'The Avengers' until Loeb screwed everything up MASSIVELY.

The final arc, where the ultimates quite Shield because they recognise they need to be independed of a government organisation, so they can represent the world. Man, that was a great idea, and a great way to establish them properly as Superheroes, but also justify their public status.

Many things in Ultimates could translate really well to film, and I think some people hate on it unecessarily. As an alternate to 616, it had some great ideas. It doesn't take anything away from 616, it's just an alternate universe.

Things like everyone thinking Thor is crazy and that escalating until they have to take him down, with Loki finally being revealed as being behind it was great. Especially then having Thor appear in all his glory, and all the ultimates reaction.

Also, I liked what they did with Pym. I think they overplayed the seriousness of his domestic violence, but it was an interesting thing to have a really stand offish member of the team, someone who creates alot of friction and can maybe even be kicked off the team.

Also, the hulk stuff was cool. Not so much the portrayal of the Hulk, he was just brutish and lame, but Banners role working for Shield, and then when they get held accountable for employing Banner, that was great.

I understand people not liking things about Ultimates because I agree, but to outright hate it is to write of some great stories and ideas.

 

[WildcatNC]

Also, that was one of the best things about the Ultimates, there was a great set up to them becoming 'The Avengers' until Loeb screwed everything up MASSIVELY.

The final arc, where the ultimates quite Shield because they recognise they need to be independed of a government organisation, so they can represent the world. Man, that was a great idea, and a great way to establish them properly as Superheroes, but also justify their public status.

Many things in Ultimates could translate really well to film, and I think some people hate on it unecessarily. As an alternate to 616, it had some great ideas. It doesn't take anything away from 616, it's just an alternate universe.

Things like everyone thinking Thor is crazy and that escalating until they have to take him down, with Loki finally being revealed as being behind it was great. Especially then having Thor appear in all his glory, and all the ultimates reaction.

Also, I liked what they did with Pym. I think they overplayed the seriousness of his domestic violence, but it was an interesting thing to have a really stand offish member of the team, someone who creates alot of friction and can maybe even be kicked off the team.

Also, the hulk stuff was cool. Not so much the portrayal of the Hulk, he was just brutish and lame, but Banners role working for Shield, and then when they get held accountable for employing Banner, that was great.

I understand people not liking things about Ultimates because I agree, but to outright hate it is to write of some great stories and ideas.

I weep for both the Ultimates line and Civil War.

Such FANTASTIC ideas with a lot to like that they just seemed to fizzle out and fail in the end.

I agree with you though. There is a lot of great stuff in the Ultimates, even if as a whole, it falls short.

 

[BigThor]

no but it's still a moronic statement. the team all at once wont be attacking Loki in a physical fight. (loki and thor alone are even matches.... throw in hulk, ironman, and cap and loki alone could not handle them all at once...) But... if Hulk is under his control, and Loki summons an army of frost giants and trolls...or turns the team against each other... then yes. Yes everyone plays pivotal roles... and allows everyone to take down loki and whatever plan he's doing.

There's nothing moronic about it it's a pretty reasonable statement, and calm down dude it's just my opinion no need for insults. My opinion is not gonna change so you might as well stop trying dude, it's pointless

SEVERAL users have said the same thing before, but when I say it all hell breaks loose.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well it's an uniformed opinion since you admitted to never having read anything Hawkeye related. He can be extremely valuable and useful, especially in those big fights. Even if it's just a distraction, Hawkeye will very rarely do NOTHING.

 

[BigThor]

Well it's an uniformed opinion since you admitted to never having read anything Hawkeye related. He can be extremely valuable and useful, especially in those big fights. Even if it's just a distraction, Hawkeye will very rarely do NOTHING.

It's called wikipedia, I know very well what Hawkeye is capable of it's not like I don't know anything about him.

As I said before, I'm not the first person to post something like that but I sure am the only recieving backlash for it (smh).

 

[Wolvieboy17]

It's called wikipedia, I know very well what Hawkeye is capable of it's not like I don't know anything about him.

Great, so you know his age, height and powers. That's clearly all there is to it.

 

[BigThor]

Great, so you know his age, height and powers. That's clearly all there is to it.

Yeah "great" (scarstic voice), that's all I need to know since we are talking about a fight after all.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, because that explains how his dynamic works, and it totally shows you all the many, many examples where he HAS played a substantial role in fighting superpowered enemies. And, yes, I was using sarcasm, very observant. One of my flaws is I tend to use sarcasm in the face of stupidity.

 

[BigThor]

Yeah, because that explains how his dynamic works, and it totally shows you all the many, many examples where he HAS played a substantial role in fighting superpowered enemies. And, yes, I was using sarcasm, very observant. One of my flaws is I tend to use sarcasm in the face of stupidity.

Whatever dude, I don't care about Hawkeye (never did, never will)

So I could careless about your sly remarks, they're not accomplishing anything becuase my opinion will remain the same whether you think it's stupid or not.

One my flaws is chuckling at the useless remarks of someone being an ***hole .