The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-section 12

[Rock Sexton]

Just got done watching TIH on FX. (The last 30 minutes anyway.) Anybody who thinks Ang Lee's Hulk is better than TIH is just wrong. Fat and wrong. Fat. And. Wrong.

Preach on brother Willard!

 

[Rock Sexton]

"I hear you have an unusual problem."

"We're putting together a team."

Unless you want to argue that these two sentences are unrelated, and Stark just decided to change topic halfway through the conversation, the Avengers are being formed to deal with the Hulk.

You're mixing two comments together though that were made separately. The one Fury made to Stark was pre-TIH. So at that point Fury was already assembling the team for something. TIH then happens after both IM's and Stark's comments to Ross, were yes, about The Hulk, but it's isolated.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

You're mixing two comments together though that were made separately. The one Fury made to Stark was pre-TIH. So at that point Fury was already assembling the team for something. TIH then happens after both IM's and Stark's comments to Ross, were yes, about The Hulk, but it's isolated.

That phrasing is confusing. Are you saying TIH was....after...Stark's comments to Ross?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Hulk begins to happen during Iron Man 2... (that's been proven). Once fury recruits Stark at the end of 2, then comes his scene with general ross. Thor begins at the end of Ironman 2... so essentially the correct timeline of these movies goes as follows..

Captain America
Ironman
Ironman 2, (incredible hulk begins about halfway through IM2)
Incredible Hulk (Since thor begins at the end of IM2, it also begins halfway between TIH)
Thor
Avengers

 

[BigThor]

^^^ He's right

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I thought that was the correct order.

 

[Herolee10]

Hulk begins to happen during Iron Man 2... (that's been proven). Once fury recruits Stark at the end of 2, then comes his scene with general ross. Thor begins at the end of Ironman 2... so essentially the correct timeline of these movies goes as follows..

Captain America
Ironman
Ironman 2, (incredible hulk begins about halfway through IM2)
Incredible Hulk (Since thor begins at the end of IM2, it also begins halfway between TIH)
Thor
Avengers

True, but I wonder when the present day scenes for CA happens, and it was also stated that Banner had transformed into the Hulk five years prior to the events of TIH, and thus five years prior to IM1 and 2

 

[BigThor]

That's quite an interesting point you just made.

 

[Herolee10]

It's kind of funny for me to note, but prior to all of this possible new info having been spoiled, I had always been under the assumption that the Avengers film would place a good amount of focus on retrieving CA back into the present day after being located and defrosted. i never thought of the possibility that they would instead shift that "retrieve and return" focus on Thor (assuming of course if the speculation of him being trapped in Asgard at the end of Thor is true).

In a way, if Loki truly is the main villain of the film, and that they'll devote time into retrieving Thor back on Earth, needless to say, Thor's importance for the group has just been raised in my opinion, which I personally have no problem with.

In any case, I was just remembering something that Ruffalo had said regarding Banner in the film. It was something about how Banner would be portrayed in this film as the kind of guy who wanted to be isolated and left alone from people, thus whoever had speculated/came up with idea that the reason why Tony had visited Ross to inform him that the Hulk was now under their jurisdiction and how they wanted to find the Hulk to recruit him may be onto something.

 

[Herolee10]

It's kind of funny for me to note, but prior to all of this possible new info having been spoiled, I had always been under the assumption that the Avengers film would place a good amount of focus on retrieving CA back into the present day after being located and defrosted. i never thought of the possibility that they would instead shift that "retrieve and return" focus on Thor (assuming of course if the speculation of him being trapped in Asgard at the end of Thor is true).

In a way, if Loki truly is the main villain of the film, and that they'll devote time into retrieving Thor back on Earth, needless to say, Thor's importance for the group has just been raised in my opinion, which I personally have no problem with.

In any case, I was just remembering something that Ruffalo had said regarding Banner in the film. It was something about how Banner would be portrayed in this film as the kind of guy who wanted to be isolated and left alone from people, thus whoever had speculated/came up with idea that the reason why Tony had visited Ross to inform him that the Hulk was now under their jurisdiction and how they wanted to find the Hulk to recruit him may be onto something.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, personally, I don't think Fury is recruiting the Avengers just to take down the Hulk. He may well intend to use them for that purpose, but I can see him wanting to use and recruit Banner rather than just 'take him out'. I think there is either a known threat or Fury, like he is in the comics, recognising the growing threat of super-powered beings wants to capitalise on it, and since things like the Cosmic cube have been known about since WWII, and SHIELD seem to generally know a lot about these things, it would make sense that Fury is indeed planning for the future. That's always been one of his key personality traits, his ruthlessness in planning for any eventuality and his penchant for keeping secrets.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, personally, I don't think Fury is recruiting the Avengers just to take down the Hulk. He may well intend to use them for that purpose, but I can see him wanting to use and recruit Banner rather than just 'take him out'. I think there is either a known threat or Fury, like he is in the comics, recognising the growing threat of super-powered beings wants to capitalise on it, and since things like the Cosmic cube have been known about since WWII, and SHIELD seem to generally know a lot about these things, it would make sense that Fury is indeed planning for the future. That's always been one of his key personality traits, his ruthlessness in planning for any eventuality and his penchant for keeping secrets.

Agreed; plus imho, if Banner/The Hulk was someone that Fury considered to be a REAL THREAT for humanity, then I think Banner would have been discovered and "taken down" in some way a long time ago. Heck, Fury could have easily sent in SHIELD agents to acquire Banner back when he was being tracked to New York.

But in any case, if the database in Iron Man 2's dvd SHIELD vault is to be taken seriously, along with how we know that Fury has been keeping tabs on the Hulk's movements, then I would agree as well that the Hulk is at least a person of interest to Fury's plans.


Also, I just wanted to point out, that while some may believe that having another "alien invasion" scenario for a film like the Avengers may be boring, I would respectfully have to disagree.

I can't remember the last time where I saw an "alien invasion" type of film that presented a believable reason as to why Earth had a chance on surviving. From the films I've seen, there would always be some type of plot device mixed with Luck that would be found at the end that would end up saving the human race.

Here we have a group of superheroes, that are formidable enough to make it believable that earth has a chance. It still won't be easily won, but at least it'll be entertaining to see as to how they achieve the result.

And plus, to see all of their egos placed into one group and how they work it out for the better of mankind is something that I can't wait to see as well.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Just got done watching TIH on FX. (The last 30 minutes anyway.) Anybody who thinks Ang Lee's Hulk is better than TIH is just wrong. Fat and wrong. Fat. And. Wrong.

Agreed. though, everybody is entitled to their opinion, lol. I really think TIH is vastly superior to Hulk (2003) though.

 

[BigThor]

Agreed. though, everybody is entitled to their opinion, lol. I really think TIH is vastly superior to Hulk (2003) though.

I agree as well

 

[BigThor]

i never thought of the possibility that they would instead shift that "retrieve and return" focus on Thor (assuming of course if the speculation of him being trapped in Asgard at the end of Thor is true).

In a way, if Loki truly is the main villain of the film, and that they'll devote time into retrieving Thor back on Earth, needless to say, Thor's importance for the group has just been raised in my opinion, which I personally have no problem with.

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I'm very excited to see that Thor is going to be treated as an integral part of the story in the Avengers. I use to have my doubts about Thor being slightly looked over in favor of Cap & Iron Man, but now I'm starting to think the Big Three is going to actually be treated relatively equally.

 

[Mercurius]

Just got done watching TIH on FX. (The last 30 minutes anyway.) Anybody who thinks Ang Lee's Hulk is better than TIH is just wrong. Fat and wrong. Fat. And. Wrong.

Nope. I'm thin.

And right. Thin. And. Right. t:

 

[Crimson King]

Nope. I'm thin.

And right. Thin. And. Right. t:

I think we can compromise that you're thin and wrong.

 

[Iceman]

Wonder what the budget is if Skrulls are involved. Hopefully enough to do justice to them & all the Avengers.

 

[Mercurius]

I think we can compromise that you're thin and wrong.

I wish I could. t:

Nothing in TIH was anywhere near that fantastic desert scene in which Hulk smashed. CGI worked as a miracle there, one can really feel Hulk's weight.

More: Hulk looks like a monster, a beast vaguely human in Lee's movie.

TIH has a way too ripped Hulk that seemed weightless. The excessive details also are a problem, cause it results in something that screams artificial, it looks like a Jim Lee sketch. Yikes!

And TIH had a Hulk with an emo face. I didn't like it. Not. one. bit.

 

[OB12]

The desert scene in Ang's Hulk was pretty good, but overall the movie was a bore and the fact that the Hulk was close to 20-25 feet tall really took him out of scenes more than any weightless feature TIH might have had. Ang's Hulk proportions to his surrounding environment was really poorly planned out.

On another note, I agree with the point made about alien invasions in other movies. It really is true that there never is a very credible defense of Earth. Victory comes in the form of happenstance and some rediculous leaps of faith. It would be great to see powerful beings standing up against an advanced civilization.

 

[marcvader]

Wonder what the budget is if Skrulls are involved. Hopefully enough to do justice to them & all the Avengers.

Hopefully Marvel's frugalness up to this point means they were planning ahead for Avengers.

 

[Chewy]

Hulk begins to happen during Iron Man 2... (that's been proven). Once fury recruits Stark at the end of 2, then comes his scene with general ross. Thor begins at the end of Ironman 2... so essentially the correct timeline of these movies goes as follows..

Captain America
Ironman
Ironman 2, (incredible hulk begins about halfway through IM2)
Incredible Hulk (Since thor begins at the end of IM2, it also begins halfway between TIH)
Thor
Avengers

The scene from the end of IM2 is in the middle of Thor, not at the beginning

 

[Wolvieboy17]

What are you basing that on? Iron Man 2 ends with Coulson finding the hammer, it would have to be roughly when Thor started, or at least pretty much in line with when Thor appears on earth.

Anyway, I guess we'll have to fill in some exact continuity blanks once we've actually seen the movies, like the Cap present day parts, and how Thor actually ends.

 

[Crimson King]

I wish I could. t:

Nothing in TIH was anywhere near that fantastic desert scene in which Hulk smashed. CGI worked as a miracle there, one can really feel Hulk's weight.

More: Hulk looks like a monster, a beast vaguely human in Lee's movie.

TIH has a way too ripped Hulk that seemed weightless. The excessive details also are a problem, cause it results in something that screams artificial, it looks like a Jim Lee sketch. Yikes!

And TIH had a Hulk with an emo face. I didn't like it. Not. one. bit.

You can't argue personal preference, but I will say I think you're in the minority here. TIH had better pacing, writing, acting, and CGI (IMO).

And if we're taking shots at emo Hulk face in TIH, shouldn't we also talk about emo Ang Hulk looking at his reflection in the water?

 

[Blader5489]

You're mixing two comments together though that were made separately. The one Fury made to Stark was pre-TIH. So at that point Fury was already assembling the team for something. TIH then happens after both IM's and Stark's comments to Ross, were yes, about The Hulk, but it's isolated.

What are you talking about? "I hear you have an unusual problem" and "We're putting together a team" are both things that Stark says to Ross. They happen in the same scene, in the same movie.

So again, unless you want to argue that those statements are completely unrelated despite occurring in the same conversation, then the Avengers are being formed to deal with the Hulk. Whether that means taking him down or bringing him in, I don't know, but it's irrelevant either way.

Hulk begins to happen during Iron Man 2... (that's been proven).

The opening credits in TIH happen five years before the rest of that movie. Since TIH (outside of the opening) happens concurrently with, or after, IM2, and IM2 happens 6 months after IM1, then Banner first transforms into the Hulk and goes on the run 4.5 years before IM1.