The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-section 12

[Wolvieboy17]

I'd rather Emo Hulk over Zen Buddhist Hulk, at least the Emo will get angry

 

[flickchick85]

What are you basing that on? Iron Man 2 ends with Coulson finding the hammer, it would have to be roughly when Thor started, or at least pretty much in line with when Thor appears on earth.

That scene, [blackout]while still in the 1st half, isn't really at the beginning of Thor. It occurs 60 pages into the script.[/blackout]

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah, personally, I don't think Fury is recruiting the Avengers just to take down the Hulk. He may well intend to use them for that purpose, but I can see him wanting to use and recruit Banner rather than just 'take him out'. I think there is either a known threat or Fury, like he is in the comics, recognising the growing threat of super-powered beings wants to capitalise on it, and since things like the Cosmic cube have been known about since WWII, and SHIELD seem to generally know a lot about these things, it would make sense that Fury is indeed planning for the future. That's always been one of his key personality traits, his ruthlessness in planning for any eventuality and his penchant for keeping secrets.

Plus we know from Coulson in Thor that [BLACKOUT]Hyrda is still alive and well[/BLACKOUT] ....

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Wow, two comments in a row, both quoting me, full of spoilers. I'm actually super annoyed by that :S

 

[flickchick85]

Is it really spoilery that that scene isn't in the beginning? I didn't say anything about what happens before or after it. I mean, you did raise the question.

Either way, I apologize. I hate spoiling people.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Wow, two comments in a row, both quoting me, full of spoilers. I'm actually super annoyed by that :S

I blacked mine out dude. Alas, we are in the Avengers spoiler forum. LOL

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But not the Thor spoiler Forum :P

 

[flickchick85]

Well, the damage has been done, but I blacked it out anyway.

Still don't think it spoiled anything though.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well not a huge one, I just don't want to know anything regarding the script. I'm fine with speculating, but i'll enjoy the script through the actors on opening night.

 

[flickchick85]

Well it's always worth keeping in mind that things have surely been cut/added since then, so there's no telling where exactly it will appear in the final product.

 

[Rock Sexton]

But not the Thor spoiler Forum :P

.... and yet you still highlighted over the blackout haha ....

 

[Wolvieboy17]

No, I read your post through my email because it was directed at me, and it wasn't blacked out in that format, so i didnt really have a choice.

 

[WildcatNC]

What are you talking about? "I hear you have an unusual problem" and "We're putting together a team" are both things that Stark says to Ross. They happen in the same scene, in the same movie.

So again, unless you want to argue that those statements are completely unrelated despite occurring in the same conversation, then the Avengers are being formed to deal with the Hulk. Whether that means taking him down or bringing him in, I don't know, but it's irrelevant either way.



The opening credits in TIH happen five years before the rest of that movie. Since TIH (outside of the opening) happens concurrently with, or after, IM2, and IM2 happens 6 months after IM1, then Banner first transforms into the Hulk and goes on the run 4.5 years before IM1.

It could be related comments or it could not. Its an assumption either way.

It could be a joking jab at Ross. Then after the small talk he gets down to business about "the team".

It could be taken several ways. It could mean the team is being formed about the Hulk also. Hard to tell for sure until we get more info.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Just got done watching TIH on FX. (The last 30 minutes anyway.) Anybody who thinks Ang Lee's Hulk is better than TIH is just wrong. Fat and wrong. Fat. And. Wrong.

They're not wrong at all. As much as I enjoy watching TIH, Lee's Hulk really explored more than just a man who smashes things. I thought his father and past being the root of his anger worked very well. I love how psychological it was. It had more depth than TIH, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing to TIH. TIH had the right amount of everything. TIH is more in line with the comics, Lee took a risk. It may not have paid off, but I admire the hell out of him for attempting to make something more.

You can't argue personal preference, but I will say I think you're in the minority here. TIH had better pacing, writing, acting, and CGI (IMO).

And if we're taking shots at emo Hulk face in TIH, shouldn't we also talk about emo Ang Hulk looking at his reflection in the water?

Hulk looking at his reflection in the water doesn't make him emo. Emo means emotional doesn't it? Doesn't Banner get emotional aka angry when he turns to Hulk? I would say Hulk gets pretty emotional when the military comes down on his ass.

And epople complain about Hulk being portrayed as just a brute who doesn't speak. Him looking at his refelction in the water speaks volumes towards who Hulk is. There is more to him. He has to be if he stops to do that or look at nature.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

What are you talking about? "I hear you have an unusual problem" and "We're putting together a team" are both things that Stark says to Ross. They happen in the same scene, in the same movie.

So again, unless you want to argue that those statements are completely unrelated despite occurring in the same conversation, then the Avengers are being formed to deal with the Hulk. Whether that means taking him down or bringing him in, I don't know, but it's irrelevant either way.



The opening credits in TIH happen five years before the rest of that movie. Since TIH (outside of the opening) happens concurrently with, or after, IM2, and IM2 happens 6 months after IM1, then Banner first transforms into the Hulk and goes on the run 4.5 years before IM1.

ok.... and? what we going to catalog the characters births too? Hell if thor or loki have flash back scenes of when they were younger we making thor first? I'm talking about the movies themselves... flashbacks do not count.

 

[Blader5489]

It could be related comments or it could not. Its an assumption either way.

It could be a joking jab at Ross. Then after the small talk he gets down to business about "the team".

It could be taken several ways. It could mean the team is being formed about the Hulk also. Hard to tell for sure until we get more info.

It can't be taken several ways, it's the only logical conclusion to derive from that conversation. Otherwise, if the Avengers being put together has nothing to do with the Hulk, why is Stark talking to Ross at all?

ok.... and? what we going to catalog the characters births too? Hell if thor or loki have flash back scenes of when they were younger we making thor first? I'm talking about the movies themselves... flashbacks do not count.

I'm just pointing out that the Hulk existed prior to IM1. So when Fury approaches Stark then about the Avengers, it makes sense that the Hulk is involved, even if that movie is set after IM.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'd rather Emo Hulk over Zen Buddhist Hulk, at least the Emo will get angry

& then dance on the streets on NY in a cheesy dance sequence?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But at least his costume would be faithful to 616, right?

 

[BigThor]

& then dance on the streets on NY in a cheesy dance sequence?

I'm one of the few people who don't really mind the "dance sequence" from Spider-Man 3.

 

[Mercurius]

You can't argue personal preference, but I will say I think you're in the minority here. TIH had better pacing, writing, acting, and CGI (IMO).

And if we're taking shots at emo Hulk face in TIH, shouldn't we also talk about emo Ang Hulk looking at his reflection in the water?

Don't get me wrong: I prefer the writing and the acting of TIH. I was ONLY addressing the making of Hulk himself in both movies.

TIH, for me, is bad CGI: too much detail destroys the natural feel one needs to get from CGI when it's mixed with real people.

And TIH had this excessively ripped Hulk, with an emo face: when I say emo I'm not saying sad, I'm saying he had his eyes underlined, and a much more human-like face, at times handsome in its context.

Ang Lee's was a neanderthal, properly. A beast, and that face reflected is almost stupid, more than sad. In the desert scenes, you feel his weight, and he blends perfectly with everything around.

I didn't feel like this in any scene in TIH.

But, of course, the writing was far better, and I do prefer Norton as Banner.

(On a side note: now Jennifer Connelly is difficult to beat. She's mesmerizing. Her character was poorly written comparing it with Liv Tyler's, but, even so, man, that woman is hypnotic! And Tyler is gorgeous. Connelly is something other). t:

 

[BigThor]

TIH's Hulk face looked fairly rough and rugged in my opinion, I don't know where this "emo" stuff comes from.

TIH's Hulk looked far more rugged than Ang Lee's Hulk imo, and I liked the "ripped/veiny" design and I hope it carriers over to The Avengers (as well as potential TIH sequels).

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Liv Tyler is one of the breathiest actors around.

Seriously though, I enjoyed things about both Hulks, I hate how us fanboys have to determine 'which is better' out of two or more things. I liked them both, for different reasons. Personally though, TIH to me felt like Marvel's Hulk, but I empathised more with Ang Lee's Hulk, but that's primarily because Ang Lee made his deliberately as a King Kong style monster movie. TIH was more about Banner.

 

[Dr Lee]

Seriously though, I enjoyed things about both Hulks, I hate how us fanboys have to determine 'which is better' out of two or more things. I liked them both, for different reasons. Personally though, TIH to me felt like Marvel's Hulk, but I empathised more with Ang Lee's Hulk, but that's primarily because Ang Lee made his deliberately as a King Kong style monster movie. TIH was more about Banner.

^^
This....

 

[dpm07]

TIH's Hulk face looked fairly rough and rugged in my opinion, I don't know where this "emo" stuff comes from.

TIH's Hulk looked far more rugged than Ang Lee's Hulk imo, and I liked the "ripped/veiny" design and I hope it carriers over to The Avengers (as well as potential TIH sequels).

 

[marcvader]

One thing I hated about TIH Hulk was that mottled skin tone. It always looked like he sloshed through mud or something. I'm cool with a darker green but that was just too much.